I don't want to pay more fucking tax!

[marthainthemarket]

I am the sole earner in a family of four, earning just under 40k a year and getting probably fuck all or below inflation pay increase next year, if I am lucky enough to keep my job ( public sector and employer needing to make massive budget savings). I barely cope now.

I am so fucking angry that Labour fucked up the disability benefit cuts. Other countries don't have run away disability benefits crises because they have a proper assessment process that means they keep a lid on people getting disability benefits who don't really need them. But instead of dealing with that, they came up with a crap proposed cut that wouldn't have dealt with the actual issues and they couldn't defend.

And having fucked that up they are now raising everyone's tax. I hate them!

Which begs the question about your career choices and personal responsibility. Like why did you choose to do this?

And what would poorer pensioners do? Live on Whiskas?

Whiskas is quite expensive.

True.

I think we need the state pension but another poster said they haven't contributed enough. Just saying if state pension changes the benefits to the non contributers who are also takers would definitely go.....

Not once did i indicate there shouldn't be disability benefits. The rest should be in work.
I know of many unemployed who had no intention ever, started bunking from school from around 13 and done nothing with their lives ever since. Definatly not disabled, it's through Multi generations in many of their families.

Think after 6 months there should be some sort of community project work available they have to do to get their benefits. It would give them experience and into the habbit of going out and doing work. With flexible hours for those with kids to fit around school, and only up to the pount of where it would be the equivalent of working minimum wage. Would be a great benefit to all.

What should happen if you slowly paper of (until 0) the welfare of those people who are genuine scroungers

Ok but strange how it happened under Labour

our MP tried to debate the matter with Health Secretary in parliament

Public sector pensions are contractual. Plus they e already been cut - in such a way that there was a legal challenge and now those affected by transition to the new system will have the opportunity for redress. You can’t just change contracts when people have been working to them for 30 or more years.

Possibly because it’s a worthwhile job which brings job satisfaction and improves the state of people’s lives (and therefore the country)?
I mean, we should probably pay those people more, but if nobody do those jobs? What then.
That’s a ‘knows the cost of everything but the value of nothing’ statement you’ve made.

You can change contracts for new employees. Public sector pensions are unsustainable and are one of the best examples of those in decision making positions protecting their own

Shouldn't people once grown (assuming no disability or disabled children) try and be self sufficient?

Be responsible for their own lives? Budget accordingly?

They aren’t unsustainable. That has been shown over and over er again.

You were questioning a professional career choice which didn’t pay well. I’m assuming most of those are pretty necessary. I don’t think the poster said she couldn’t support herself anyway.
I took issue with your attitude to lower paid work in general. It’s often very, very important. What if nobody chose it?

We need people to do minimum wage jobs though or society wouldn't function.

You can change contracts for new employees

The Tories did exactly that. As did the Blair government. The days of gold-plated pensions ended long ago. Even then, most weren't gold plated. Just modest pensions which kept pace with inflation. Even that has changed (CPI now rather than RPI).

It is just another way to turn people against each other. If folk in the private sector wanted a public sector style pension, they could have secured a public sector job.

Absolutely. If taxes went to people to enable them to improve their lives and become self reliant, we wouldn't complain. But no, they don't do that, they spend recklessly and have the begging bowl out for more.

The welfare system is enabling the feckless.

But many are doing no job!

pp was talking about those who do have a job.

Unfortunately I think it does

it should be a short term solution but it has become a lifestyle choice

things like opting to work part time and receive top ups needs a review imo

No century left old people to starve - just abhorrent. Living to an age above 60 was seen as magical and they were taken care of.

The exception being the Victorian age when people began to live longer. However that gave rise to charity donations and it was exceptionally popular - unfortunately there were tours around work houses for the middle classes to view the horrors that just might befall them.

Family looks after their own.

How would a family provide 24 hour specialist nursing care?

If I was on UC and unemployed I'd use it and try and find employment.

If once working I'd still needed UC I'd try and find a way to increase my income so I didn't need to rely on the taxpayer.

They would start mugging us in the streets and breaking into our homes. I doubt they’ll get honest jobs—it’s too much effort to turn up on time and to do what their boss says.