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Why so much hostility toward reasonable adjustments for autistic/ADHD students/workers?

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KeenTaupeDog · 03/11/2025 10:32

I keep seeing backlash whenever someone with autism/ADHD asks for reasonable adjustments. Things like:
• being accused of cheating or getting “special treatment”
• people assuming you're lying or gaming the system
• resentment for accommodations that simply level the playing field

Why do so many people react this way?
Is it ignorance about what these conditions actually mean?
Envy?
Fear that fairness is “zero-sum”?
Or something deeper around stigma toward invisible disabilities?

Would be interested in honest perspectives — especially from those who’ve witnessed or experienced this dynamic.

If you dont think adhders etc. should be employed if they cant stay in work due to their adhd, then are you happy with them sitting at home and claiming benefits? Or dying of hunger?

Not looking to fight — just trying to understand where this reaction comes from.
Am a apsergers sufferer and people at uni accused me of cheating when they found out i had remote exams

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Digdongdoo · 04/11/2025 18:28

Lougle · 04/11/2025 18:12

Taking the example of DD2 that I mentioned above:

Apprenticeship in zookeeping at a community farm. She would be awesome with the animals. She would cope, in time, with being part of a small team. She would be able to be polite to members of the public that approached, and to point them in the right direction if they needed to know where to go. I dare say she would be happy to answer a direct question from a member of the public about why she was tying something that way, or how often the animals get fed.

She couldn't run tours of the animals, be 'dynamic and proactive with service improvement', etc.

Why can't they split the role and have a front of house role who loves the people and doesn't mind the animals, and a back of house role who loves the animals and can just about cope with the people?

Sainsbury's employs lots of people with physical and learning disabilities. I'm sure that the person who is using two crutches to walk stacks the shelves slower, and one of the autistic staff members is alternately quite abrupt if you want directions to an area they don't work in, and over invested in your choice of mushroom if you ask for help with vegetables. Some of these staff need more direction and support than other team members, and I doubt that the person with crutches can go out and get heavy cages of stuff to stock the shelves with. But they make a valuable contribution to the team.

But an apprenticeship can't be split in half.

TeenToTwenties · 04/11/2025 18:30

Apprenticeships it seems also cannot be done part time, which is a shame for people with reduced stamina.

OooPourUsACupLove · 04/11/2025 18:40

I think everyone's working experience will be very different in 5 years due to AI.

Accomodations to help ND people navigate a (supposedly, according to ND people anyway) NT world may become totally irrelevant if your interactions are mainly with AI agents.

Which raises a very interesting question - do ND people have the same anxiety challenges communicating with LLM AIs as they do with other humans?

ladyamy · 04/11/2025 18:50

KeenTaupeDog · 03/11/2025 12:17

why don't you complain to management instead of hating that colleague? lots of people might wfh bc of serious illnesses, e.g. autoimmune conditions

Nobody said anyone hated the colleague.

ladyamy · 04/11/2025 18:54

SwirlyShirly · 03/11/2025 19:08

I often wonder the same thing. My son has adhd and I suspect he inherited from me and I just want the world to be kind to him.

without wishing to derail the thread, we were recruiting at work last year and a person with ADHD who applied requested to be provided with the interview questions ahead of the interview as a reasonable adjustment. I’m in two minds whether that was a reasonable request or not - it was felt that it ‘more’ than levelled the playing field by the people on the panel.

Only reasonable if all other candidates received the questions. Boggles my mind it would ever even occur to anyone to ask for questions before an interview.

DeafLeppard · 04/11/2025 19:12

ladyamy · 04/11/2025 18:54

Only reasonable if all other candidates received the questions. Boggles my mind it would ever even occur to anyone to ask for questions before an interview.

We were asked to do this for a role lately and refused. The role profile requires the ability to think on your feet and respond in real time, in person, to fast moving situations. If you couldn’t cope with the uncertainty of an interview, you weren’t going to be able to manage the role.

BountifulPantry · 04/11/2025 19:25

Basically because lots of the adjustments for people with autism/ ADHD would benefit neurotypical people too.

Id love extra breaks, to have a flexible start time, to have longer to do tasks etc.

Whereas other disabilities accommodations I have no use for eg software for blind people.

so it creates that jealousy that another people have a benefit and you dont.

popcornandpotatoes · 04/11/2025 19:30

Lougle · 04/11/2025 18:12

Taking the example of DD2 that I mentioned above:

Apprenticeship in zookeeping at a community farm. She would be awesome with the animals. She would cope, in time, with being part of a small team. She would be able to be polite to members of the public that approached, and to point them in the right direction if they needed to know where to go. I dare say she would be happy to answer a direct question from a member of the public about why she was tying something that way, or how often the animals get fed.

She couldn't run tours of the animals, be 'dynamic and proactive with service improvement', etc.

Why can't they split the role and have a front of house role who loves the people and doesn't mind the animals, and a back of house role who loves the animals and can just about cope with the people?

Sainsbury's employs lots of people with physical and learning disabilities. I'm sure that the person who is using two crutches to walk stacks the shelves slower, and one of the autistic staff members is alternately quite abrupt if you want directions to an area they don't work in, and over invested in your choice of mushroom if you ask for help with vegetables. Some of these staff need more direction and support than other team members, and I doubt that the person with crutches can go out and get heavy cages of stuff to stock the shelves with. But they make a valuable contribution to the team.

That is clearly not the right role for her. The apprenticeship is teaching management fundamentals for running zoos, petting farms etc and engaging with customers, not just looking after the animals. Could she do an animal care course at college or something like that?

KeenTaupeDog · 04/11/2025 20:45

BountifulPantry · 04/11/2025 19:25

Basically because lots of the adjustments for people with autism/ ADHD would benefit neurotypical people too.

Id love extra breaks, to have a flexible start time, to have longer to do tasks etc.

Whereas other disabilities accommodations I have no use for eg software for blind people.

so it creates that jealousy that another people have a benefit and you dont.

finally someone admits its envy

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Brefugee · 04/11/2025 20:47

because those things could benefit them too.

You only read the words that you think support you. You have shown to be wrong over and over and over again on this thread.

OooPourUsACupLove · 04/11/2025 20:48

KeenTaupeDog · 04/11/2025 20:45

finally someone admits its envy

Are you envious of NT people? Do you begrudge them the "advantages" you think they have?

Sweetpotatopudding · 04/11/2025 20:49

KeenTaupeDog · 04/11/2025 20:45

finally someone admits its envy

Most people are not envious. Most people don't want extra work load. ND workers can be just work shy and deceptive as NT workers.

KeenTaupeDog · 04/11/2025 20:52

Sweetpotatopudding · 04/11/2025 20:49

Most people are not envious. Most people don't want extra work load. ND workers can be just work shy and deceptive as NT workers.

Edited

But lots of things like extra time for exams, a work coach, assistive software, headphones etc. don't affect others so why do they care?

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KeenTaupeDog · 04/11/2025 20:53

OooPourUsACupLove · 04/11/2025 20:48

Are you envious of NT people? Do you begrudge them the "advantages" you think they have?

Yes, ofc. they don't have processing time problems or repetitive behaviours

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KeenTaupeDog · 04/11/2025 20:54

Brefugee · 04/11/2025 20:47

because those things could benefit them too.

You only read the words that you think support you. You have shown to be wrong over and over and over again on this thread.

Yes but my point is that those NDers need them more than you
for example, everyone would benefit from more exam time in an english exam but someone with dyslexia might need it more to level the playing field

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KeenTaupeDog · 04/11/2025 20:55

popcornandpotatoes · 04/11/2025 19:30

That is clearly not the right role for her. The apprenticeship is teaching management fundamentals for running zoos, petting farms etc and engaging with customers, not just looking after the animals. Could she do an animal care course at college or something like that?

And what if the jobs suited to her are unavailable? Would you rather she sit at home and claim benefits or join another job with RA ?

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OooPourUsACupLove · 04/11/2025 21:03

KeenTaupeDog · 04/11/2025 20:54

Yes but my point is that those NDers need them more than you
for example, everyone would benefit from more exam time in an english exam but someone with dyslexia might need it more to level the playing field

Why is a level playing field relevant to work? It's not school. Your employer isn't marking your homework. Your employer is competing for business. The market doesn't give prizes for effort.

Sweetpotatopudding · 04/11/2025 21:07

KeenTaupeDog · 04/11/2025 20:52

But lots of things like extra time for exams, a work coach, assistive software, headphones etc. don't affect others so why do they care?

Most people don't care that ND or disabled people have these accommodations. They are happy for things to be levelled up. It is unrealistic or unreasonable accommodation's that create extra work or unreasonably restricts others that they object to.

Search for the thread AIBU to say that not everything can be inclusive all the time?

Not ND but it illustrates how reasonable can easily tip into unrealistic and unreasonable.

KeenTaupeDog · 04/11/2025 21:09

OooPourUsACupLove · 04/11/2025 21:03

Why is a level playing field relevant to work? It's not school. Your employer isn't marking your homework. Your employer is competing for business. The market doesn't give prizes for effort.

there are lots of jobs that NDs can still do, just with assistive tech and RA
e.g. a dyslexic can still write emails, but only with Grammarly
e.g. an autistic person can still work in a shop, but has to do more back office work to make up for not doing as much customer facing stuff

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Digdongdoo · 04/11/2025 21:14

KeenTaupeDog · 04/11/2025 20:55

And what if the jobs suited to her are unavailable? Would you rather she sit at home and claim benefits or join another job with RA ?

You can't jump from one apprenticeship being unsuitable to sitting at home on benefits. You're being ridiculous. There will be other things she can try.

OooPourUsACupLove · 04/11/2025 21:15

KeenTaupeDog · 04/11/2025 20:53

Yes, ofc. they don't have processing time problems or repetitive behaviours

Don't they?

I have 3 timers on my desk to try to manage my time. I still start a task I think will take 10 minutes at 4.50 and be "just a couple more minutes to finish"ing at 5.30pm, 6pm, 7pm, 8pm...

popcornandpotatoes · 04/11/2025 21:19

KeenTaupeDog · 04/11/2025 20:55

And what if the jobs suited to her are unavailable? Would you rather she sit at home and claim benefits or join another job with RA ?

Well yes, I think that would be better than her applying for a job she is completely unsuitable for, like a zookeeper, then demanding they change half the role. Would she then still expect the same level of pay for doing only the manual parts of the role, but none of the management, strategy or customer service work?

She could claim benefits whilst waiting for a suitable role to become available relevent to her qualifications.

OooPourUsACupLove · 04/11/2025 21:26

KeenTaupeDog · 04/11/2025 21:09

there are lots of jobs that NDs can still do, just with assistive tech and RA
e.g. a dyslexic can still write emails, but only with Grammarly
e.g. an autistic person can still work in a shop, but has to do more back office work to make up for not doing as much customer facing stuff

Your rigid black and white thinking is only factoring in one perspective, that of the ND person. You need to consider the employer's objectives and motivations

Consider:

If the tech makes the ND person as productive as an NT person but makes an NT person more productive, it makes better commercial sense to give it to NT people.

If the ND person is accomodated by dividing a job up and cherry picking the less stressful parts for the ND person, the employer now has to fill a less attractive role on the other side. So they may have to offer more money to fill it.

Furthermore, if a role that was done equally by two people is now split into two different roles, the employer has gone from no key person risk to two key person risks.

This is not to say that ND people are always a worse bet than NT. Not at all. But the deal has to be that the ND person brings value beyond just doing the same job at a higher cost.

Or the government has to subsidise the extra cost because the overall good of having more ND people in work is worth paying for.

(The parallels with maternity leave are not lost on me BTW).

HeBeaverandSheBeaver · 04/11/2025 21:28

This thread is pissing me off

It's exactly like the school threads. One system for all and computer says no mentality. People are so bloody selfish. (Not the autistic or adhd people btw)

Until ND people are as understood and given rights as those in wheelchairs have been over the last few decades then there is no equality in schools or the workplace. And dont get me wrong. There is still plenty wrong there too.

OooPourUsACupLove · 04/11/2025 21:29

Also, back office work is customer facing, it's just that the customers are internal.

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