Cobwebs in Congress, Bigly Ballrooms, Tariff Tantrums, Dementia Denials - Trump Thread #150

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And Epstein and his beautiful files are still trying to claw their way out of his grave

Previous thread :
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/5416501-hes-a-very-good-friend-of-epstein-oh-yes-he-is-trump-thread-149

He is losing it again over Majorie Taylor Green

He wants people to wonder what went on between them for it to get to this point, and obviously the inference that the woman is to blame.

How very DARE a formerly adoring fangirl turn on him!!! After all, he's President Billionaire (on paper) Donald Trump!! Women don't dump him, he dumps them*! 😜

Sounds like a dam has broken at GOP towers. Loads of reps saying they will vote for the bill next week.

In unrelated news, dozens of tariffs are being rolled back on grocery items.

I think it may be too late to roll back the tariffs and have grocery prices going down as a result: grocery shops are never keen on re-pricing items already on the shelves, and once they've discovered that people will still buy a pork pie which last month cost £1.99 and this month costs £2.19, why would they decide to make 20p less profit per pie?

Quite. But the bigly brains that thought tariffs were free money won't grasp that.

The whole MAGA cult is starting to run against the very real and powerful forces in the US that put profit above all else. It won't be Dems that Trump is going to have to call out. It will be MAGA munchers who are seeing their profits disappear.

I admit I had always heard that Putin has video of Trump with multiple women in a hotel room in Moscow.

That doesn't really compute. Why would that suddenly cause people who have followed Trump thus far to go "Wow, this guy is a sleaze ?"

If Putin has something on Trump it will be far more exotic than a mere skin flick which can be batted away with "fake news". And it's slightly irritating me that despite a dark and dangerous sense of mind, I can't begin to imagine what it could be (if it exists).

Maybe exotic bondage? Actual physical torture of a victim? But then he'd just say it was AI and fake, and they'd all believe him and start to bay for the blood of the person who made it.

Which is my sense too.

So - assuming this narrative that is being peddled (and I have some doubts) that Trump is afraid of something is true, it's unlikely to be that.

So maybe it's something more prosaic. Some documentary evidence that he's scammed a/"the" mob seems an idea. He likes to play being a mafiosi after all.

Something more prosaic, yes. Unfortunately, the Al Capone effect has proved to be a non-starter.

Weirdly, I do fear for MTG.

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@Talkinpeace @SerendipityJane @AskingQuestionsAllTheTime

If it's the same Moscow footage that's been discussed before, it's supposedly SCROTUS being on the receiving end of a 'golden shower (or showers)' in a hotel room. If memory serves it's part of the 'Steel Dossier'.

Still not seeing it. His base would just shrug it off.

No, it's something deeper - possibly internationally damaging. If (as I say) it exists at all.

I think his base would shrug off just about anything, except possibly murder (depending on who the victim was) and sexually abusing a child. It's a 'cult of personality' akin to Hitler or Jim Jones.

Anything to do with political shenanigans or international intrigue they couldn't care less about, unless it involved the above. And even then if there is the teeniest bit of 'plausible deniability' they'll grab onto it with both hands.

I worked in a city that had a large number of the families of Jonestown victims and I dealt with quite a few in my 'official duties'. The stories they told of their relatives belief in that maniac despite what would have been truly obvious to even the most naive (or dense) individual as absolute bullshit (and insanity) was mind-boggling. It taught me never to doubt the power of words to the vulnerable, those who feel themselves to be victims, and gathered groups of like-minded people.

Saw this

"We knew the Epstein case would end with Trump going down. Didn’t realize it also started with him going down."

If Putin has something on Trump it will be far more exotic than a mere skin flick which can be batted away with "fake news". And it's slightly irritating me that despite a dark and dangerous sense of mind, I can't begin to imagine what it could be (if it exists).

I had a lightbulb moment as I read this. 👆 I get why Trump is posting all those batshit AI videos of himself. It’s so when someone releases legit compromat footage he can crow that it’s faked, like all the other shit he’s posted. His stuff poisons the well.

I can see AskingQuestions picked up on AI content in the post that immediately followed.

Putin is quiet on this whilst at the same time bombing Kiev.

And there's not even a whisper.

Except a load of shouting about the BBC.

That doesn't really compute. Why would that suddenly cause people who have followed Trump thus far to go "Wow, this guy is a sleaze ?"

I wonder if it's abortion. Or multiple abortions by women Epstein provided to him

That would surely alienate his fan base? The MAGAt men are obsessed with what women do with their bodies

That doesn't really compute. Why would that suddenly cause people who have followed Trump thus far to go "Wow, this guy is a sleaze ?"

Tcha! That's thinking from the fact-based world, where people respond to facts.

The bulk of Trump's following are in the feelz-based world. The facts can stay the same, but if the feelz change they change – and those feelz can be steered or outright created by the messaging with which they are sprayed.

Also, in general, people following because of faith in a cause or great leader as @AcrossthePond55 describes have a lot of elasticity. They will stretch and stretch and stretch to accommodate the cognitive dissonance. And then suddenly they will snap – perhaps over a very small last straw – and spring back to their previous boundaries.

At that point they will either "always have had" these boundaries, or they will now focus their victimhood on the great leader and feel anger at him for "betraying them".

(A few will take genuine responsibility for their own actions, but one shouldn't assume the majority will.)

Baffling what is in those files, as I do believe most Trump supporters would accept ‘that’s fake’, or not care about most of what went off anyway.
I said ages ago I wondered if someone biglier than Trump was putting the pressure on not to release, but now I wonder if Epstein had something really dreadful, but not necessarily sex related or only indirectly so.
Seems looking at some things said that Trump actually did try to distance himself decades ago in some way, and definitely didn’t like Epstein one bit (which I’d think he would like, or tolerate, him for his connections and provisions), often a sign someone makes you feel very uncomfortable. But also he couldn’t shake him off completely, as he clearly saw him after the argument about taking someone from mar-a-lago.
Perhaps he did kill someone in a game gone wrong, I doubt we will ever know for sure.

As we know only too well, Drumpf only cares about himself and that he is regarded and lauded for being successful, brilliant at business, rich, intelligent (high IQ is his go-to description for anyone he "likes") as well as being in perfect health and super virile (🤮) etc etc. So he could be more worried about evidence coming out from the Epstein docs that he was/is a complete loser/low IQ/failed businessman more than any underage sex stuff.

It is more than likely that there are abortions in his past, given his recorded proclivities... But even if they involved force, under age females, lives lost/ruined would they dent the MAGA and Repug support?

After typing all the above, perhaps the silver bullet that he truly fears IS evidence of a same sex encounter coming out? I just can't see it though...unless drugs were involved?

Listening to TRIP US (or maybe the News Agents) yesterday and surprised to see no one is, yet, digging into the suggestion that Epstein and Trump were together for Thanksgiving 2017, when he was Pres. Surely there would have been an official photographer with him all day? Or do they take some pics and then leave?

Perhaps he failed at sex on camera 🤮🤮
That’s a great point - probably unflattering descriptions of him in general upsetting his Orange ego - it could well be I’m way overthinking and simplest explanation is the best.
I think abortions wouldn’t phase his followers - he could have ‘repented’ or more like not his progeny, and ‘fake news’.