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AcrossthePond55 · 13/11/2025 17:00

correction in final paragraph: POtential, not 'PORtential'. But then again perhaps my typo is a 'portent' .....l

SerendipityJane · 13/11/2025 17:02

AcrossthePond55 · 13/11/2025 16:50

@PerkingFaintly

I've sort of noticed the direction the 'right' is taking in the UK, although not in a 'deep' way and certainly not as one knowledgeable of the 'nuances' of UK politics.

It seems to me things are starting to get kind of 'Trumpian' there, although nowhere near the way things are here and not to say it will go that way. I don't mean Trumpian in actual governmental policies or actions. Just little things I've read and politicians of a certain ilk have said. Sort of like a small sound in your house that makes you go 'What was that?" but not loud enough to make you get up and look IYSWIM. But I think enough that perhaps people should be a bit concerned and start paying close attention. And becoming politically active. After all, our 'downfall' was in thinking "Oh it could never happen here!" and sitting on our complacent and apathetic arses. And then it did.

I think I read somewhere that Musk is starting to get involved (or try to get involved) in UK politics. It was during my 'dark time' so I didn't pay close attention, but if he starts throwing money at certain political figures the UK could find a DOGE in the UK.

Out of curiosity, does Musk have any kind of citizenship/'nationality' portential in the UK since he was born in a Commonwealth country? Would he be able to hold political office in the UK? He's already holds SA, US, and Canadian citizenship. Maybe he wants to collect another one?

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jumpingthehighjump · 13/11/2025 17:09

logicisall · 13/11/2025 16:58

Re the Thanksgiving email

https://x.com/realbennylox/status/1988832791459422664?s=20

So which one is true?

Yes, I read that. But apparently he had time out for a Thanksgiving Dinner...

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Spandauer · 13/11/2025 17:14

Wonder what feverish discussions are happening in lil' JD's camp at the moment? They must have known these files would eventually see the light of day.

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DuncinToffee · 13/11/2025 17:16

The guest list was not made public according to this article

https://www.rawstory.com/trump-epstein-thanksgiving/

DuncinToffee · 13/11/2025 17:17

Lil 'JD is regretting his tweets from 2021 me thinks

PerkingFaintly · 13/11/2025 17:24

logicisall · 13/11/2025 16:58

Re the Thanksgiving email

https://x.com/realbennylox/status/1988832791459422664?s=20

So which one is true?

Eh?
Of course I don't know whether that email chain is real, but in what way does it conflict with Trump seeing Epstein at Thanksgiving? Epstein could easily be at Mar-A-Lago or nearby, no?

And the other person in the (alleged) emails, Faith Kates, asks Epstein, "Who else is down there?"

Which fits with Epstein being south of Faith Kates during this exchange. Don't know where she is, but she asks Epstein when he'll be "back in NYC", so if she's in New York that would fit too.

PerkingFaintly · 13/11/2025 17:49

AcrossthePond55 · 13/11/2025 16:50

@PerkingFaintly

I've sort of noticed the direction the 'right' is taking in the UK, although not in a 'deep' way and certainly not as one knowledgeable of the 'nuances' of UK politics.

It seems to me things are starting to get kind of 'Trumpian' there, although nowhere near the way things are here and not to say it will go that way. I don't mean Trumpian in actual governmental policies or actions. Just little things I've read and politicians of a certain ilk have said. Sort of like a small sound in your house that makes you go 'What was that?" but not loud enough to make you get up and look IYSWIM. But I think enough that perhaps people should be a bit concerned and start paying close attention. And becoming politically active. After all, our 'downfall' was in thinking "Oh it could never happen here!" and sitting on our complacent and apathetic arses. And then it did.

I think I read somewhere that Musk is starting to get involved (or try to get involved) in UK politics. It was during my 'dark time' so I didn't pay close attention, but if he starts throwing money at certain political figures the UK could find a DOGE in the UK.

Out of curiosity, does Musk have any kind of citizenship/'nationality' portential in the UK since he was born in a Commonwealth country? Would he be able to hold political office in the UK? He's already holds SA, US, and Canadian citizenship. Maybe he wants to collect another one?

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Yes, alas it is getting Trumpian here.

And yes Musk is already throwing money at political figures in the UK (off the top of my head, he has publicly funded Stephen Yaxley-Lennon aka Tommy Robinson; there may be others I can't bring to mind just now).

It's basically exactly as you would imagine: you may have been out of the loop, but you're not off track at all. Unfortunately.

My hope is that things will go fast enough in the US that the consequences will have dawned good and hard before we next go to the polls here. (Sorry for you guys though.)

I'm not aware of there being any nationality restrictions on a Prime Minister here (though maybe I'm just ignorant). But Musk has massive power here by owning Twitter and having a great deal of money to throw at anything he wants – just as in the US. I mean, he doesn't have elected political office in the US, either. Just the actual office.

As an aside re nationality, Wikipedia says he has at least one grandparent who was both of British citizenship and born in Britain, so depending on Stuff he might be eligible for British citizenship but then again he might not.

SerendipityJane · 13/11/2025 17:52

And yes Musk is already throwing money at political figures in the UK (off the top of my head, he has publicly funded Stephen Yaxley-Lennon aka Tommy Robinson; there may be others I can't bring to mind just now).

Let's hope he isn't too disappointed when it turns out they do very little for it, but keep on needing more and more.

DuncinToffee · 13/11/2025 17:55

PerkingFaintly · 13/11/2025 16:19

I don't fancy trawling through them all to make a fair assessment, so I could be wrong, but has anyone else noticed an unfortunate overlap between some of the loudest self-proclaimedly "patriotic" British figures (GB News, some Tory politicians) and those most frenziedly brown-nosing Trump while dissing the BBC?

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Some more on Prescott who started itall

https://www.thenewworld.co.uk/james-ball-exclusive-the-error-at-the-heart-of-trumps-bbc-attack/

EXCLUSIVE: Michael Prescott himself doctored Trump quote in his anti-BBC report

A report alleging Panorama broadcast misleading Trump quotes contains misleading quotes itself

https://www.thenewworld.co.uk/james-ball-exclusive-the-error-at-the-heart-of-trumps-bbc-attack/

AcrossthePond55 · 13/11/2025 18:08

PerkingFaintly · 13/11/2025 17:49

Yes, alas it is getting Trumpian here.

And yes Musk is already throwing money at political figures in the UK (off the top of my head, he has publicly funded Stephen Yaxley-Lennon aka Tommy Robinson; there may be others I can't bring to mind just now).

It's basically exactly as you would imagine: you may have been out of the loop, but you're not off track at all. Unfortunately.

My hope is that things will go fast enough in the US that the consequences will have dawned good and hard before we next go to the polls here. (Sorry for you guys though.)

I'm not aware of there being any nationality restrictions on a Prime Minister here (though maybe I'm just ignorant). But Musk has massive power here by owning Twitter and having a great deal of money to throw at anything he wants – just as in the US. I mean, he doesn't have elected political office in the US, either. Just the actual office.

As an aside re nationality, Wikipedia says he has at least one grandparent who was both of British citizenship and born in Britain, so depending on Stuff he might be eligible for British citizenship but then again he might not.

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As an aside re nationality, Wikipedia says he has at least one grandparent who was both of British citizenship and born in Britain, so depending on Stuff he might be eligible for British citizenship but then again he might not.

Interesting. I meet that 'category' ('citizenship by double descent'), but it sounds as if it's extremely complicated and very discretionary. But I'll keep it in my back pocket in case things get so bad I have to leave the country. Of course, I also don't have a spare trillion to throw at it so my chances are pretty slim. lol

It's funny, but I can remember begging my dad to see if he could get British citizenship when I was young so I could get it too. Mainly so I could be 'the same' as the Beatles.

logicisall · 13/11/2025 18:08

@PerkingFaintly You are absolutely right. Trump's followers are claiming that the email is fake by citing the T dinner at Mar a lago, but we don't know who was on the guest list. What would make the shit hit the fan is a fellow attendee coming forward to say that Epstein was there.

AcrossthePond55 · 13/11/2025 18:14

"Trump's followers are claiming that the email is fake by citing the T dinner at Mar a lago"

Clutching at straws much? <Read the following in a scoffing tone>> Like it's impossible to be at X place then go to Y place for dinner then return to X place later.

How many of Trump's own followers do the exact same thing on Tday? It's pretty darn common here, especially with couples trying to make both of their families happy. Once again, the Cult ignoring the obvious to believe in the ridiculous.

LlttledrummergirI · 13/11/2025 18:27

PerkingFaintly · 13/11/2025 17:49

Yes, alas it is getting Trumpian here.

And yes Musk is already throwing money at political figures in the UK (off the top of my head, he has publicly funded Stephen Yaxley-Lennon aka Tommy Robinson; there may be others I can't bring to mind just now).

It's basically exactly as you would imagine: you may have been out of the loop, but you're not off track at all. Unfortunately.

My hope is that things will go fast enough in the US that the consequences will have dawned good and hard before we next go to the polls here. (Sorry for you guys though.)

I'm not aware of there being any nationality restrictions on a Prime Minister here (though maybe I'm just ignorant). But Musk has massive power here by owning Twitter and having a great deal of money to throw at anything he wants – just as in the US. I mean, he doesn't have elected political office in the US, either. Just the actual office.

As an aside re nationality, Wikipedia says he has at least one grandparent who was both of British citizenship and born in Britain, so depending on Stuff he might be eligible for British citizenship but then again he might not.

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Slight correction needed- Tommy many names Robinson is not a politician. He's a right wing thug who has spent time in prison for assault.

Being bank rolled by a billionaire and feted by media mogul (why?) doesn't make him a politician.

That title is barely held by Farage- despite being an MP he is shit at doing the job.

MrTiddlesTheCat · 13/11/2025 18:40

jumpingthehighjump · 13/11/2025 15:19

BREAKING: Jeffrey Epstein and Donald Trump spent Thanksgiving together in 2017. While Trump was in office.

WTAF 🫨🫨🫨

https://twitter.com/SpencerHakimian/status/1988818473481621522

But Trump said in 2019, when Epstein was charged with trafficking, that he hadn't spoken to him for 15 years. Surely you're not suggesting the great orange one is a liar.

DuncinToffee · 13/11/2025 19:43

Day 2 of ignoring questions about his friend Epstein

PerkingFaintly · 13/11/2025 19:44

Fair point, @LlttledrummergirI .

PerkingFaintly · 13/11/2025 19:54

I can remember begging my dad to see if he could get British citizenship when I was young so I could get it too. Mainly so I could be 'the same' as the Beatles.

Grin re the Beatles!

But yes, that's one of the things on which IIRC it depends: did your parent who was eligible for citizenship claim it? And then there's some weirdness around whether the parent was male or female, and the correction when the sex-dependent bit was removed thus making a load of people suddenly eligible in retrospect and therefore it wouldn't be fair to bind them by some of the time/generation limits on claiming citizenship. Or something.

So I'm not sure it's discretionary... but it can get horribly complicated!

MsJinks · 13/11/2025 20:01

AcrossthePond55 · 13/11/2025 18:08

As an aside re nationality, Wikipedia says he has at least one grandparent who was both of British citizenship and born in Britain, so depending on Stuff he might be eligible for British citizenship but then again he might not.

Interesting. I meet that 'category' ('citizenship by double descent'), but it sounds as if it's extremely complicated and very discretionary. But I'll keep it in my back pocket in case things get so bad I have to leave the country. Of course, I also don't have a spare trillion to throw at it so my chances are pretty slim. lol

It's funny, but I can remember begging my dad to see if he could get British citizenship when I was young so I could get it too. Mainly so I could be 'the same' as the Beatles.

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Citizenship via grandparents depends on a lot of other criteria that is rarely met or there’d be a different route available anyway. An ancestry visa for 5 years could be more possible though. After 5 years you can (today) then apply for settled status and then citizenship.
Of course the immigration system is having ‘a shake up’ and being able to apply for ILR at 5 years seems to be on every party’s hit list.
There are other options of course - I am sure it wouldn’t be an issue for the richest man on earth to live here but I doubt he’d like it tbh - though he’d like to arms length manage the U.K. perhaps.
He seems though with supporting Tommy Ten Names to be keener on disruptive actions - backing Farage would be more sensible to get a toe in our political door? Maybe he doesn’t grasp our system, but he’s not stupid, so I’m actually not really sure of his motives at times.

placemats · 13/11/2025 20:32

PerkingFaintly · 13/11/2025 17:24

Eh?
Of course I don't know whether that email chain is real, but in what way does it conflict with Trump seeing Epstein at Thanksgiving? Epstein could easily be at Mar-A-Lago or nearby, no?

And the other person in the (alleged) emails, Faith Kates, asks Epstein, "Who else is down there?"

Which fits with Epstein being south of Faith Kates during this exchange. Don't know where she is, but she asks Epstein when he'll be "back in NYC", so if she's in New York that would fit too.

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Would that be London, England? Laughable to call it fake.

placemats · 13/11/2025 20:41

PerkingFaintly · 13/11/2025 17:49

Yes, alas it is getting Trumpian here.

And yes Musk is already throwing money at political figures in the UK (off the top of my head, he has publicly funded Stephen Yaxley-Lennon aka Tommy Robinson; there may be others I can't bring to mind just now).

It's basically exactly as you would imagine: you may have been out of the loop, but you're not off track at all. Unfortunately.

My hope is that things will go fast enough in the US that the consequences will have dawned good and hard before we next go to the polls here. (Sorry for you guys though.)

I'm not aware of there being any nationality restrictions on a Prime Minister here (though maybe I'm just ignorant). But Musk has massive power here by owning Twitter and having a great deal of money to throw at anything he wants – just as in the US. I mean, he doesn't have elected political office in the US, either. Just the actual office.

As an aside re nationality, Wikipedia says he has at least one grandparent who was both of British citizenship and born in Britain, so depending on Stuff he might be eligible for British citizenship but then again he might not.

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Farage is a Trump tush kisser.

Musk prefers to support thugs like Tommy ten names - who isn't a politician. Musk loves a bit of civil war.

AcrossthePond55 · 13/11/2025 20:47

MsJinks · 13/11/2025 20:01

Citizenship via grandparents depends on a lot of other criteria that is rarely met or there’d be a different route available anyway. An ancestry visa for 5 years could be more possible though. After 5 years you can (today) then apply for settled status and then citizenship.
Of course the immigration system is having ‘a shake up’ and being able to apply for ILR at 5 years seems to be on every party’s hit list.
There are other options of course - I am sure it wouldn’t be an issue for the richest man on earth to live here but I doubt he’d like it tbh - though he’d like to arms length manage the U.K. perhaps.
He seems though with supporting Tommy Ten Names to be keener on disruptive actions - backing Farage would be more sensible to get a toe in our political door? Maybe he doesn’t grasp our system, but he’s not stupid, so I’m actually not really sure of his motives at times.

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Maybe he doesn’t grasp our system, but he’s not stupid, so I’m actually not really sure of his motives at times.

Oh IDK. I've known a lot of highly intelligent people who know a lot about 'book learnin'' and can figure out solutions to problems or come up with ideas, but they're really stupid when it comes to human behaviour. Musk strikes me as one of those. And then add in his overinflated ego. He badly misjudged what people here in the US (even some Trump supporters) would put up with. I think he was shocked that he wasn't hailed as some kind of superhero by most of us after his badly managed cuts to various US agencies and especially the VA. And the court reversals of a lot of his hard work. I'm sure he's not used to criticism. So he packed his bag and left in a huff looking for greener pastures.

MsJinks · 13/11/2025 21:03

AcrossthePond55 · 13/11/2025 20:47

Maybe he doesn’t grasp our system, but he’s not stupid, so I’m actually not really sure of his motives at times.

Oh IDK. I've known a lot of highly intelligent people who know a lot about 'book learnin'' and can figure out solutions to problems or come up with ideas, but they're really stupid when it comes to human behaviour. Musk strikes me as one of those. And then add in his overinflated ego. He badly misjudged what people here in the US (even some Trump supporters) would put up with. I think he was shocked that he wasn't hailed as some kind of superhero by most of us after his badly managed cuts to various US agencies and especially the VA. And the court reversals of a lot of his hard work. I'm sure he's not used to criticism. So he packed his bag and left in a huff looking for greener pastures.

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Makes sense - he’s quite baffling to me at times, though I don’t pay as much attention to him as others. Tbf Keir seems to miss what people want at times (differing drivers of course) and it can be that simple.
Maybe he’ll crack life on Mars and take all his favourite people with him?!
And meant to say - welcome back 😃 and hope all is as ok as it can be - it’s also really good to hear your insights from the sometimes scary place, not that I wish that on anyone.

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Spandauer · 14/11/2025 13:51

Never gonna let you go, never gonna give you up.

Same town, new spot.

The “Best Friends Forever” statue of Trump and pedophile Jeffrey Epstein holding hands just reappeared in DC after federal authorities already tore it down twice.
https://bsky.app/profile/cwebbonline.com/post/3m5loauronk23

The people who created it have published the the 3D printing plans for this for free online to anyone who wants to recreate it.

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