Surely you don't carry your phone everywhere?

[SEmyarse]

Every time there's a discussion about civil liberties, for instance at the moment with ID cards, people always say, why are you worried they can track you by your phone anyway. But that implies that people are always carrying their phones.

I have a phone, I have to for work, and it's very useful outside work as well. I sometimes use it for navigation, and on certain instances I might take it with me if there's a chance I'll need to liaise with someone while out. Super helpful technology.

But surely people aren't taking it to the shops, or on the school run, or out for a walk in the countryside?

Well of course people didn’t rely on smartphones before they were invented. That would be pretty difficult by definition. But does that mean we should all pretend they don’t exist just so we don’t become “reliant” on them?

Lots of people rely on having a car. They buy homes in areas with poor public transport; they take jobs on isolated industrial estates where your only option is to drive to work. What do these people do if their car breaks down or is stolen? I’d say it’s much easier to get by without your phone, but no one seems to be advocating for people with cars to walk or take the bus to prevent themselves becoming “reliant”.

I live in the arse end of nowhere. I take photos on most walks. I listen to podcasts and shit as I go.

Oh and get a lockbox for your keys or a fingerprint doorknob and FFS get insurance.

Isn’t that rather messy?

Yeah, I think the ‘we didn’t used to have them so we shouldn’t reply on them’ is an odd argument. There is loads of technology that we didn’t used to have that I now rely on. A computer for work. A washing machine. A fridge freezer. If any of them failed it would be a pain in the arse while I got it sorted. Same if my phone was lost/stolen.

You shit as you go! 😲🤣

😂😂😂

I don’t think you need to do it 200 times a day. You’re being silly.

My car has a port thing that I can plug a wire into to charge my phone. I just keep a wire plugged in all the time and the end of it, where I attach my phone, just sits on the passenger seat. It takes about 3 seconds to plug my phone into it, nothing faffy about it at all. And my boyfriends car has a built in charger under all the controls so he just needs to place his phone down and it charges. Nothing about any of this is complicated or faffy and doesn’t need doing 200 times a day.

Obviously agree. No one is charging their phone even 10 times a day. It’s just her excuse. Sounds like she thinks that she has to charge her phone in between every delivery.
so charge, delivery 1, uncharge when going to door, charge again, delivery 2…. And so on. No one in the world does that in real life. Not even the busiest delivery drivers.

Yes, take my phone everywhere. Not my work phone though, my personal one. I don’t lock my house either. 😂 But I do take my phone. In case of emergency, mine or someone else’s, to use maps, what three words, to make payments (I never carry a wallet or bank cards anywhere).

I’m quite happy for a digital ID, sounds more sensible than a hard copy one. I don’t want to take my passport with me places (some people don’t even have passports). I could not tell you where my drivers license is. Like haven’t seen it in years. Because I don’t have a proper wallet to carry this stuff around in. Having it all on my phone would be sensible.

That said, most people go out without any ID at the moment, so I don’t see the issue if you are someone who sometimes doesn’t carry a phone. 🤷🏻‍♀️ I’m not a conspiracy theorist though.

@mindutopia - genuine question, why do you leave your house unlocked?

I would need to do it loads since it'd only get about 20 seconds charge each time. Unless you've done the job you have no clue.

Amazon drivers often have a couple of phones charging at once, so they can switch between them since he app is easy to get in and out of. Evri's isn't, and it tends to wipe your work if you try, or mess up your routing that you've already planned so one phone to last all day is crucial.

And why are people annoyed that I've bought a phone that makes my work easier anyway?

Why do you feel ‘discomfort’ at the idea that other people take their phones everywhere because it makes their lives easier?

Dunno. That's what I'm trying to figure out

Same reason you’re annoyed that other people carry their phones around with them, when it doesn’t affect you.

And unless you’ve an amazing memory, most of the people you need to contact you’ll need to call their mobile and I’d say those numbers are harder to remember than landlines.

I wouldn't say annoyed, I can't figure out what my emotion is. But it seems vaguely disquieting that people always feel the need to be on alert for emergencies. We didn't used to be like that? There's something a bit unsettling about realising that we seem to have changed so much in our outlook.

Well, until you do figure that out, asking ‘why are people so bothered by X that doesn’t affect them?’ is rather hypocritical.

And there’s something unsettling about an adult who is apparently wholly unaware of and unable to comprehend societal norms; who thinks their outlier standards somehow are (or ought to be) applicable to the general public; who cannot actually rationally counter the arguments in favour of the thing to which they’re opposed; and who sums up their disquiet as ‘I dunno’.

Well I've explained precisely why I need a chunky phone, although I doubt I'd carry it routinely even if it were smaller.

Loads of people have given brilliant reasons and uses for their phones, and some it seems perfectly justifiable to want them permanently accessible. But a lot seem to be permanently just worried stuff is going to happen. That seems a bit unhealthy, if we're talking just popping to post a letter.

Oh don’t be so condescending!
Ppl don’t charge for 20 seconds at a time!
and yes I have a business that does offer deliveries so I do know what a delivery is. But you don’t need to work in delivery to understand that people don’t need a charge every 20 seconds 200 times a day.

you want to do it your way so whatever, no one cares. Do what you like. But you’re acting like you’re the know it all and everyone else is wrong. No one in the world is charging for 20 seconds at a time. It’s unheard of. There are many solutions, maybe you just don’t know how to use them properly

And people have explained why they carry their phones, yet your ‘discomfort’ persists. So my point stands.

You don’t lock your doors or have insurance, so you’re not really in a position to speak to what’s ‘unhealthy’. Most of the reasons people have given have nothing to do with fear; you’ve fixated on that because it’s the only point you feel able to argue against.

And using the word ‘justifiable’ is interesting. Nobody is required to justify anything to you.

I'm waiting for the plans people have in case they lose their phone. Thefts of them are increasingly common.

I don’t carry my phone around to be on alert for emergencies. I don’t think this is the main reason most people carry their phones, but it is handy to have for that reason just in case.
I carry my phone to take pictures, pay for things in shops, listen to my audio book, respond to texts or calls if I get them. I don’t know why that’s hard to understand.