"Jihad": A few things don't add up...?

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I know it's early days and we don't have much info to go on about the killer at the Manchester synagogue. But this BBC news article is very confusing.

He's described as a "35-year-old British citizen of Syrian descent" who "was granted British citizenship in 2006 when he was around the age of 16" ... my maths is shit, but 2025 minus 2006 = 19...? Other articles says he was a minor when he was given citizenship.

Apparently he was "on police bail after being arrested on suspicion of rape at the time of the killings" but "was not charged with the offence."

His parents, understandably, have made a strong statement distancing themselves from his actions, but the article goes on to say:

A post on his father's Facebook page, which has been verified by the BBC, appears to praise the 7 October attack by Hamas.
... The post reads: "The scenes broadcast by the Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades showing a group of fighters storming an occupation army camp with simple means, balloons and motorcycles, prove beyond any doubt that Israel is not here to stay.
"Men like these prove that they are Allah's men on earth, regardless of who leads them, they are the true compass for men confident in their victory, even if their resources are few."

It also says his father is a surgeon... and that "Jihad" was his birth name.

I'm not sure where to begin processing all this information, if it's true. Quite surprised to find it reported by the BBC to be honest.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0q7y72kppgo

The Guardian and “accurate reporting” do not even belong in the same sentence.

They’re as bad as the Daily Mail, just different politics.

The rape thing...
It can take years for a case to go to court. And that's if they are charged. If there isn't enough evidence CPS won't support a prosecution..and sometimes it's hard to understand why. Personally I think the bar is too high but that's a rant for a.different time.

So it's not at all uncommon even when someone is charged with rape for them to spend one or two years as a free person doing whatever. Isla Bryson did a beauticians course at a Uni I believe. The alternative is locking people up for two years but in the case they are found not guilty that's a bit unjust. And there are already many people pushing the "women deliberately men's lives by crying rape". I doubt there's much appetite for it.

But there's a huge connection between domestic violence convictions and terrorism. And while not as bad as terrorism, I think 1/4 of the men convicted for the riots last year had DV convictions. Unsurprisingly men that are violent towards women or bully their wives escalate often in horrifying ways. So it's not that surprising he had rape accusations against him.

I believe more and more people are beginning to see radical Islam and the far left as causing social division and problems than ever before.I don’t think the average person would have taken much note but there is so much more discussion of left/right as opposed to just policies in the past.

Ok so, so far, your maths is wrong, you didn’t know you were bailed before you were charged, and Jihad is a common Arabic name.

I suppose you are no longer wondering about things that don’t “add up”

I could debunk the father posting on Facebook by pointing you towards my mother’s Facebook where she has happily shared posts by the BNP, the EDL, “Britain First” etc. She isn’t a rampant racist, she’s not far right, she just reads too much of the Daily Mail and thinks she is a hard done by pensioner. You could easily say the posts she share “appear to suggest all immigrants should be sent home” They don’t, but it’s easy to paint it that way if you want to.

If we learned anything from the whole Stockport riot debacle, it’s that we should let the case play out rather than jumping on assumptions and into conspiracy.

Jihad: Arabic: “struggle” or “effort”

Have you read the father's posts? They are really not a case of thoughtless or mindless reposting. They are incredibly disturbing. If you haven't read them, I suggest you do.

Taqqiya: Arabic: "hmmm"

Bloody hell yes going back those decades, although I was a child, it rings a bell in a way that had really died out.But sadly with the increase in immigration and the resultant problems it is, causing issues again for those that came here in the 1970’s.

UK English: what do you think my comment meant - it’s a translation of “Jihad”. HTH 😶

UK English- what do you think my post meant? Feel free to give your translation of taqqiya and why I might have felt it an appropriate response to your post. HTH.

That’s why she is asking ie posting.
🙄

Oh…
I take it you have not seen the political radical postings done by the father then.
I agree should face serious consequences but I doubt it.

Finance? What does that have to do with bail?

I honestly don’t know the identities of those arrested.
Although the father was in Germany on the 30th of September funny enough when Germany had arrested 3 Hamas members over alleged attack plot.

With current tensions regarding immigrants, especially brown/Muslim ones : the family would have been very strongly advised to do this in order to minimise the risk of backlash against them. It'll have been advised in their best interests and to quell public animosity. I doubt very much the parents decided to do this off their own backs out of sheer horror. Also, the wording would have been likely scripted by an advisor in these matters.

I don’t think the father is likely to be one of those arrested in the UK. It was two men in their 30s and a woman in her 60s arrested originally, with three more people,between 18 and mid 40s arrested later, so given the attacker was 36 I don’t think the ages work.

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I quite believe it. NMC (nurses regulatory profession) would take a referral because a nurse cried on shift.

The GMC will keep drs hanging on the register after all sorts of foul play.

I remember reading a GMC referral about a Dr who used to have blazing drunken rows with his wife in public, culminating in police arrests more than once. Domestic violence arrests.drink related convictions .The list went on and on. He remained on the register. And it seemed he was only referred after a hell of a lot of 'chances' (ok, he likely has an alcohol problem which is rightly treated as a medical and mental health issue ) but some of the details of the public brawls were jaw dropping.

A nurse could come in hungover and the NMC would gladly punish them eagerly and take the referral.

I ,personally ,(gone off on a bit of a tangent ) think it's sex discrimination. Nurses are mostly female. Drs traditionally male. Whip the women, wipe the brows of and protect the men.

They would have been very strongly advised to do that statement by officials. In fact, I doubt they had much say in the wording. It's to quell public animosity. Or at least attempt to. I'm not particularly fooled.

Well if we are talking about sources the BBC is so biased I stopped watching years ago as they have a reputation of presenting news in a biased way..

This is how it is.

I'm not saying whether it's good or bad. But, bluntly, it is how it is.

It's just the liberal left are 'brainwashed ' and lift don't deal in facts here. It's not racist to acknowledge most devout Muslims will not be mixing with non Muslim Brits.

Unfortunately the BBC portrays unrealistic scenarios on their dramas where 11yr old Syeda has a best friend (white Ellen ) and mums are best friends and they all hang out at the cinema watching k pop demon hunters and have pizza parties and Syeda chats about boys, periods and fashion.

Unfortunately it breeds the "oh yeh we're all exactly the same. The only difference is Syeda wears a headscarf"

Wrong.

There is cultural and religious norms that are vastly different to the average UK born non Muslim western family. That's just truth. And it'd be better if it was acknowledged. There's so many faux pas on here of women invited their Muslim female neighbour over for "coffee and biccies and a chat" then scratching their head when there's tumbleweed in the form of a reply.

Or people "concerned" that their Muslim neighbour is suffering domestic abuse because she's rarely seen out without her husband. They're applying western cultural norms to a non Western family. It's both ignorant and naive.

Multiculturalism does not truly exist. It doesn't mean it's bad per se. Just realistic. So long as you can accept that it is what it is. Rather than try to be a do gooder and force your western values on your Muslim peers and then scratch your head when it doesn't go right. (I don't mean you by the way @WhitegreeNcandle !)

Liberal left just can't take the blinkers off and see facts regarding integration.

More liberal Muslims who were born here and aren't as devout may behave quite differently, I will add. Because you'll always get someone with an obscure example.

Well yes, as someone who has worked in the NHS for a long time, and who has a Jewish name, I am very aware that this might disadvantage my clinical care. Im not talking about murder or radical malpractice, just all the little ways NHS staff can make our lives a bit miserable - losing appointments in the system, always being a bit late with pain relief, taking blood a bit roughly.

We can't that easily.
Especially now there is the internet and the very odd rabbit holes people fall down. Families can radicalise their children. But equally young people can be radicalised online..and not everyone who becomes "radicalised" goes on to commit violence. Islamic extremism is still the largest single reason for terrorism, but Right Wing extremism is the second biggest reason and also the fastest increasing. (Jo Cox's killer had a room covered in Nazi memorabilia, and there are a frightening number of people in the UK who support Andres Breivik). People fall down left wing rabbit holes. And then there are weird culty things that don't fit into any particular framework. The most WTF one recently being the Zizians https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy83958r2d0o

And then you get people who flit between seemingly opposing ideologies. There was a Dutch far right politician recently who was originally really opposed to Islam but then concerted to Islam and became really extreme about it. And a Saudi exmuslim doctor in Germany who hated Islam to the extent he went and drove his car into a crowd of people at a Christmas market(!?!)

And the majority of people with extremist views wouldn't necessarily go out and commit violence. Identifying the real danger from the background noise is the issue. And then the question is, are the people who do the most hideous things doing them because of their extremist views..or are they drawn to extremist views because they want to do hideous things?

There are things that can be done. I think the most interesting question isn't what makes isolated young men (they usually are) commit horrible acts of violence as why do so many isolated young men with extremist views not commit horrible acts of violence. Because most people aren't running around attacking each other even though there's a lot of dissatisfaction in society right now especially for young men.

That and looking holistically at the problem- DV seems to be such a big red flag, it should raise alarm bells when combined with intelligence on.someone possibly holding extremist views etc. But to do that, police forces need to take it seriously consistently, and record it properly.

The reaction to "stochastic terrorism" for a while was to try to shut down or control speech that doesn't directly incite.violence. But that's hard, especially online, and led to a lot of push back and loss of trust. Not so much from Muslims specifically but from other groups who felt backed into a corner/unfairly stigmatised. Incitement to violence is relatively easy to define. "Stochastic violence" isn't. I think it further eroded trust in authority and siloed people further.

Just to add, the last bit I said isn't about inciting violence. That's clearly not OK and unfortunately people have been allowed to get away with it too much. Particularly against the Jewish community who are getting it from both directions - far right people who think they are part of a cultural Marxism/great replacement conspiracy AND people blaming them for a war happening in a completely different country (or using the war as an excuse).

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