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He's a (Very Good) Friend Of Epstein (Oh, Yes He Is) - Trump Thread #149

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Spandauer · 24/09/2025 21:18

Taking paracetamol doesn’t give you autistic babies but voting for Trump definitely gives you a festering carcass of American rot shoved into an ill-fitting suit: the sleaze of a conman, the cowardice of a draft dodger, the gluttony of a parasite, the racism of a Klansman, the sexism of a back-alley creep, the ignorance of a bar-stool drunk, and the greed of a hedge-fund ghoul— all spray-painted orange and paraded like a prize hog at a county fair.
(Description of Trump courtesy of Oliver Kornetzke 18/8/25)

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placemats · 16/10/2025 19:31

Are white Australians really going to flock to the USA? Perhaps those from Belarus and Russia would be the obvious demographic

DuncinToffee · 16/10/2025 20:04

Leavitt Shock

"The Democrat Party's main constituency is made up of Hamas terrorists, illegal aliens, and violent criminals."

https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3m3darcsygp2f

TheExcitersblowingupmymind · 16/10/2025 20:11

DuncinToffee · 16/10/2025 20:04

Leavitt Shock

"The Democrat Party's main constituency is made up of Hamas terrorists, illegal aliens, and violent criminals."

https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3m3darcsygp2f

Mad as a hatter 🤯🤯

logicisall · 16/10/2025 20:50

TheExcitersblowingupmymind · 16/10/2025 20:11

Mad as a hatter 🤯🤯

When she says such absurd things, does she really believe it? Or does she just write it off as, 'it's politics so anything goes'?

Serpentstooth · 16/10/2025 20:52

I know we have to pretend to take these fools seriously because they've got Bigly plus nukes but bloody hell. It's not easy.

logicisall · 16/10/2025 20:56

Re the Argentina bailout. I think that if Trump's man gets elected, any money given will be linked to not selling soybeans to China. But I wouldn't be surprised to discover that China has also pre-bought the 2026 harvest in Argentina.

www.reuters.com/world/china/china-expands-argentina-soybean-buying-20-cargoes-traders-say-2025-09-24/

DuncinToffee · 16/10/2025 22:04

Trump's former National Security Advisor John Bolton has been indicted by a federal grand jury.

MrTiddlesTheCat · 17/10/2025 06:32

PerkingFaintly · 16/10/2025 22:17

Former Trump adviser John Bolton criminally indicted
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgql2qzkz5zo

These too sentences from that article caused my irony meter to explode.

Prosecutors accuse him of illegally transmitting top secret information about US national defence using his personal email and other messaging apps.

"No one is above the law," US Attorney General Pam Bondi said in a statement announcing the charges.

Serpentstooth · 17/10/2025 06:45

What an utter hypocritical monster Trump is. Annoyingly, I can still be shocked. John Bolton. James Comey. Who next? Pentagon journalists? The photographer who photographed The True Turkey Neck?

OrangeCrushes · 17/10/2025 10:25

Serpentstooth · 17/10/2025 06:45

What an utter hypocritical monster Trump is. Annoyingly, I can still be shocked. John Bolton. James Comey. Who next? Pentagon journalists? The photographer who photographed The True Turkey Neck?

I was so struck by this comment on Reddit that I will share it here:

"Wilhoit's law:
>"Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect."

It has never been that lawfare was bad, if you remember Trump wanted to charge Hillary for... something! It's just that only Trump and Republican's get to use lawfare against their opponents! Republican judge and courts slow-walked every legitimate Trump charge to have him avoid punishment, while he engages in as much lawfare against whoever he wants.

Everything is like this, Remember if you said something bad about Kirk, even if it was years ago you deserve to be canceled, to not be let into the US, to be fired, and every bad thing they can do against you. If you are high in the Republican Party organization and praise nazis while being racist, that's just (30 year old) kids being kids and shouldn't face any punishment!"

The in-group gets to do everything they want, the out-group gets as much punishment as possible!

PerkingFaintly · 17/10/2025 10:28

Nail on head.

BustingBaoBun · 17/10/2025 10:31

OrangeCrushes · 17/10/2025 10:25

I was so struck by this comment on Reddit that I will share it here:

"Wilhoit's law:
>"Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect."

It has never been that lawfare was bad, if you remember Trump wanted to charge Hillary for... something! It's just that only Trump and Republican's get to use lawfare against their opponents! Republican judge and courts slow-walked every legitimate Trump charge to have him avoid punishment, while he engages in as much lawfare against whoever he wants.

Everything is like this, Remember if you said something bad about Kirk, even if it was years ago you deserve to be canceled, to not be let into the US, to be fired, and every bad thing they can do against you. If you are high in the Republican Party organization and praise nazis while being racist, that's just (30 year old) kids being kids and shouldn't face any punishment!"

The in-group gets to do everything they want, the out-group gets as much punishment as possible!

Great post. And IF the Democrats get back in, they will never be able to do 1% of what Trump and his murky lot are doing. They are always held to an unbelievably higher standard than Republicans.

DuncinToffee · 17/10/2025 10:42

The No Kings protests are tomorrow

PerkingFaintly · 17/10/2025 11:16

Although I'd disagree with one word of this "Wilhoit's law".

I don't believe this proposition is inherently a part of "conservatism".

I think conservatives have a choice about whether to have this as their value system or whether to have other values. Eg to believe in a country of laws, not of men; or to genuinely believe everyone is equal before the law (not just say this when it's convenient).

But yeah, this model of in-groups vs out-groups is certainly a main plank of recent "conservative" politics. And is an age-old model used down the centuries by groups with power, to keep down groups without.

persephonia · 17/10/2025 11:29

PerkingFaintly · 17/10/2025 11:16

Although I'd disagree with one word of this "Wilhoit's law".

I don't believe this proposition is inherently a part of "conservatism".

I think conservatives have a choice about whether to have this as their value system or whether to have other values. Eg to believe in a country of laws, not of men; or to genuinely believe everyone is equal before the law (not just say this when it's convenient).

But yeah, this model of in-groups vs out-groups is certainly a main plank of recent "conservative" politics. And is an age-old model used down the centuries by groups with power, to keep down groups without.

Conservative is like liberal. It means something quite specific (actually has several meanings) but also is an insult for the other side. I agree, I don't think it's specifically a conservative trait at least not in the UK sense of the word. But the further right you go the more the bit about in groups and out groups holds absolutely true. I agree also it's true of the current crop of "conservatives". Actually I think they pushed the overton window on what "conservativism" is quite far.

BustingBaoBun · 17/10/2025 11:35

This is a fascinating article. It just shows who is actually running the US administration and it certainly isn't Trump. He is just the useful idiot who is desperate for praise, flattery and $$$$ and he is told what to sign and patted on the back. This is why the round table nauseating meetings with each member of the cabinet telling Trump how wonderful he is and how privileged they are to be there, happen. They just want him to be the figurehead whilst they enact their evil plan.

It's very scary. Because if Trump were to drop dead tomorrow, it would be just as bad if not worse given the power map of the regime.

https://www.alternet.org/trump-machine/

(sorry, there's a lot of pop up adverts but its worth reading)

Why no one really reports to Trump inside the Trump power machine

A formal organization chart of the Trump regime would show Trump on top, his Cabinet officers arrayed underneath him, the White House staff below them, and an assortment of lower-level appointees at the bottom.The reality is far different. Today I want...

https://www.alternet.org/trump-machine/

OrangeCrushes · 17/10/2025 11:45

Re the definition of "conservative," I fully agree that this is not an objective, clearly defined thing. I assume the Reddit poster was using it as shorthand for MAGATism.

PerkingFaintly · 17/10/2025 13:42

OrangeCrushes · 17/10/2025 11:45

Re the definition of "conservative," I fully agree that this is not an objective, clearly defined thing. I assume the Reddit poster was using it as shorthand for MAGATism.

Edited

Oh absolutely.

This is definitely a core tenet of MAGAtism!

PerkingFaintly · 17/10/2025 13:47

Thanks, @BustingBaoBun , that Robert Reich article is very good.

DuncinToffee · 17/10/2025 14:01

Susie Wiles has not been mentioned, is she still active in the background?

DuncinToffee · 17/10/2025 14:33

So the president of the United States plans to meet with Putin in Hungary, and when a reporter asked where that plan came from, this was the reply of the United States governmen

He's a (Very Good) Friend Of Epstein (Oh, Yes He Is) - Trump Thread #149
BustingBaoBun · 17/10/2025 14:39

DuncinToffee · 17/10/2025 14:01

Susie Wiles has not been mentioned, is she still active in the background?

Maybe she's not easy on the eye enough. I know that's an awful thing to say but Trump seems to hire females in important posts who wouldn't be out of place on the catwalk. And who are clearly unfit for the job... (Noem, Bondi, Leavitt) whereas Wiles clearly was competent.

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