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Labour isn't working - Thread 9

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TheNuthatch · 16/09/2025 17:55

A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government.

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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Rivalled · 21/09/2025 10:40

i agree on the hours requirement - if a child gets 30 hours of ‘free’ childcare why are the hours requirements for working so low?

Pearlyjam · 21/09/2025 10:43

@notimagain thank you - that's one small consolation I suppose. I wouldn't have been the least bit surprised though if it was just the deportee and their escort on each flight.

JustStopItNorasaurus · 21/09/2025 10:44

Indeed @Rivalled . And I can't abide the 'burdens to be placed on the broadest shoulders' rhetoric.

Rivalled · 21/09/2025 10:48

Me either, it’s been the same story since 2010 and no party is talking about the fact that the people they can catch are paying historically huge levels of tax.

pretty much all of my colleagues - all paye private sector mugs into the higher rate income tax band but not a long way in are openly talking about voting reform next time.

Absentosaur · 21/09/2025 10:49

JustStopItNorasaurus · 21/09/2025 10:44

Indeed @Rivalled . And I can't abide the 'burdens to be placed on the broadest shoulders' rhetoric.

Yes. Define ‘broadest shoulders’, define ‘smashing the gangs’ etc. Provide data and analysis to back up policy decisions, and validate / prove outcomes. The gvt is full of shit. With more to come .. protect any wealth and hunker down for 4 more years.

EasternStandard · 21/09/2025 10:49

Two child benefit - how are they talking about increasing state support when we’re sinking already.

Plantatreetoday · 21/09/2025 10:50

Rivalled · 21/09/2025 10:40

i agree on the hours requirement - if a child gets 30 hours of ‘free’ childcare why are the hours requirements for working so low?

Exactly
so I’m hoping those 30 free hours means parents now have to do paid work during that time

I always found it crazy that free hours are also for people not working. This is surely a cost we can’t afford either and should be scrapped

Plantatreetoday · 21/09/2025 10:51

EasternStandard · 21/09/2025 10:49

Two child benefit - how are they talking about increasing state support when we’re sinking already.

Exactly.

Rivalled · 21/09/2025 10:56

Oh exactly @Plantatreetoday I know someone claiming free hours because they’re ’on mat leave’ despite not having a job since they had the last baby - and we wonder why we’re broke?

twistyizzy · 21/09/2025 10:56

Zero mention of reducing spending, just constant tax rises.
Thatcher was right: socialists always run out of other people's money

They are wilfully fiscally incompetent. We need to balance the books by cutting spending before we raise taxes

Upstartled · 21/09/2025 10:58

Plantatreetoday · 21/09/2025 10:50

Exactly
so I’m hoping those 30 free hours means parents now have to do paid work during that time

I always found it crazy that free hours are also for people not working. This is surely a cost we can’t afford either and should be scrapped

You know, what annoys me, is this emerging narrative that all children do better in paid childcare. So that now even those children of parents who don't work are encouraged to go anyway - under the guise that it's in their best interest.

It's probably one for another thread, and let's face it, it's a bloody tinderbox, but nonetheless - we have pushed this idea that children are generally served poorly in the care of their own parents - whether that's in the early years or trying to implement breakfast clubs for all.

EasternStandard · 21/09/2025 11:00

twistyizzy · 21/09/2025 10:56

Zero mention of reducing spending, just constant tax rises.
Thatcher was right: socialists always run out of other people's money

They are wilfully fiscally incompetent. We need to balance the books by cutting spending before we raise taxes

I’m actually reading Iain Dale’s book on this. It’s really good, highly recommend!

twistyizzy · 21/09/2025 11:01

Upstartled · 21/09/2025 10:58

You know, what annoys me, is this emerging narrative that all children do better in paid childcare. So that now even those children of parents who don't work are encouraged to go anyway - under the guise that it's in their best interest.

It's probably one for another thread, and let's face it, it's a bloody tinderbox, but nonetheless - we have pushed this idea that children are generally served poorly in the care of their own parents - whether that's in the early years or trying to implement breakfast clubs for all.

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Yes, not only does it take responsibility off parents from parenting but there is a nasty undertone of "give the state your children". I want less state interference in my child, not more!

twistyizzy · 21/09/2025 11:01

EasternStandard · 21/09/2025 11:00

I’m actually reading Iain Dale’s book on this. It’s really good, highly recommend!

Thanks I will look it up

upseedaisee · 21/09/2025 11:05

Absentosaur · 21/09/2025 10:40

Scrapping the 2 child benefit cap - allowing the feckless to ‘backfill’ to their hearts content. Whilst anybody but them, pays for it. I’ve actually heard people talk about ‘back filling’ with kids, to keep the money coming in. It’s not ‘hyperbole’ (a Labour MN favourite word), to say so.

No it's not. A housing estate not far from me is full of 40-somethings that did just that. They had child after child and then sat back watched the money roll in and left the kids to run wild. We've all paid for their backfilling and there was me, working my behind off, worried that I could barely afford to raise the one child I had whilst paying for thier many brats. Makes me incandescent with rage.

twistyizzy · 21/09/2025 11:07

Ok some maths on charging independent schools more for Ofsted:

St Trinian's has 100 pupils. Inspection costs £7000 and takes place every 5 years. Previously the LA was paying half, £3500, that's £700 a year.

Meanwhile each of the 100 kids saves the taxpayer £8000 a year minimum* by not using a state place.

(*plus x% EHCPs)

That's a net gain to the taxpayer of £799300 per year.

If just one kid leaves and goes state because this straw broke the camel's back, net gain drops to £792000.

In fact this isn't going to save the taxpayer squat because the other attacks are already costing more than this would make. And trust me, that's going to get worse once kids who were mid-GCSE or waiting for a house move hit the state system.

This policy they think will raise 45 million. That's 5625 x 8000. They already lost twice as many kids as that to the state from VAT!!

Now let's look at taxi VAT: Reeves puts VAT on taxi fares, the already enormous cost of ferrying children to distant schools, made far worse by kids leaving private school due to VAT on fees, will rocket, putting Local Authorities under greater strain? Nothing Labour does joins up.

VAT on home to school taxis is really deep in the realms of stupidity.

Along with making SEND private schools funded by the local authority via EHCPs pay more for Ofsted inspections. They’ll just pass the cost on to the taxpayer and the SEND cost will increase.

Upstartled · 21/09/2025 11:13

twistyizzy · 21/09/2025 11:01

Yes, not only does it take responsibility off parents from parenting but there is a nasty undertone of "give the state your children". I want less state interference in my child, not more!

It's a bug bear of mine. When my children were small I was a sahm, my middle child had a speech delay (although this was when there was just the two of them and he was the youngest) and there wasn't one interaction with any health professional that didn't include the advice to put him in childcare.

Now, I explained, I talk to him all day long, we go to play groups together, we have a house full of books, we visit wider family several times a week, he has a chatterbox older brother, I spend all day playing with him, the telly only goes on on days which are entirely rained off - how would this situation be improved by him going into a nursery?

But it was the reflex answer. Hand him over to someone else, someone watching over far more children - so they can do a better job - fix this right out. It's the assumption that all parents are just a bit shit, you are probably screwing this up. So get them into childcare so you don't fail them.

upseedaisee · 21/09/2025 11:14

twistyizzy · 21/09/2025 11:07

Ok some maths on charging independent schools more for Ofsted:

St Trinian's has 100 pupils. Inspection costs £7000 and takes place every 5 years. Previously the LA was paying half, £3500, that's £700 a year.

Meanwhile each of the 100 kids saves the taxpayer £8000 a year minimum* by not using a state place.

(*plus x% EHCPs)

That's a net gain to the taxpayer of £799300 per year.

If just one kid leaves and goes state because this straw broke the camel's back, net gain drops to £792000.

In fact this isn't going to save the taxpayer squat because the other attacks are already costing more than this would make. And trust me, that's going to get worse once kids who were mid-GCSE or waiting for a house move hit the state system.

This policy they think will raise 45 million. That's 5625 x 8000. They already lost twice as many kids as that to the state from VAT!!

Now let's look at taxi VAT: Reeves puts VAT on taxi fares, the already enormous cost of ferrying children to distant schools, made far worse by kids leaving private school due to VAT on fees, will rocket, putting Local Authorities under greater strain? Nothing Labour does joins up.

VAT on home to school taxis is really deep in the realms of stupidity.

Along with making SEND private schools funded by the local authority via EHCPs pay more for Ofsted inspections. They’ll just pass the cost on to the taxpayer and the SEND cost will increase.

God I'm glad you did that, just reading it gave me a maths headache the like of which I hadn't felt since taking my O level.
Well done!😁

twistyizzy · 21/09/2025 11:15

upseedaisee · 21/09/2025 11:14

God I'm glad you did that, just reading it gave me a maths headache the like of which I hadn't felt since taking my O level.
Well done!😁

🤣🤣

TheNuthatch · 21/09/2025 11:23

Upstartled · 21/09/2025 11:13

It's a bug bear of mine. When my children were small I was a sahm, my middle child had a speech delay (although this was when there was just the two of them and he was the youngest) and there wasn't one interaction with any health professional that didn't include the advice to put him in childcare.

Now, I explained, I talk to him all day long, we go to play groups together, we have a house full of books, we visit wider family several times a week, he has a chatterbox older brother, I spend all day playing with him, the telly only goes on on days which are entirely rained off - how would this situation be improved by him going into a nursery?

But it was the reflex answer. Hand him over to someone else, someone watching over far more children - so they can do a better job - fix this right out. It's the assumption that all parents are just a bit shit, you are probably screwing this up. So get them into childcare so you don't fail them.

💯 with you on this one Upstartled. I faced the same response with my dd. It has never made sense to me either.

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Rivalled · 21/09/2025 11:45

Oooh @Upstartled and @TheNuthatch same here - when the issue in fact was that dc was so happy on her own lost in her play world that she never sought interaction at nursery and she needed less of it, not more.

Everything is modelled on the assumption the parents are defective so nursery is better - like the contraceptive pill risks vs the risks of childbirth…

Upstartled · 21/09/2025 12:04

It's surprising that there are three of us who had this pressure from a such a small group of posters. It gives some credence to the scale of this drive to get children into childcare as a solution to the assumed problem of spending time with their parents.

TheNuthatch · 21/09/2025 12:07

I've learned something this morning thanks to the wise women of this thread.
I had no idea that free childcare is available (and probably encouraged) even for parents who don't work. That blows my mind tbh.

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DancingFerret · 21/09/2025 12:32

Well that's sort of answered a question about babies in childcare that's been puzzling me for a bit.

Our closest neighbour is a SAHM who's very hands-on and involved with her children, but both of them were put into nursery as babies. It's nothing to do with money (hubby's in the superyacht business); it seems they've bought into the idea that very young children benefit from early socialisation or whatever wacky thinking is behind this trend of state interference. (China springs to mind.)

It's madness. Are those children going to remember which stranger changed their nappy when they were a year old?

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