Thread 33 Starmer - Gerst Monath

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It's the Lib Dem Conference

However

For 56 minutes Sky News and BBC News interrupted everything else and carried a Reform UK feed live, uninterrupted, unchallenged. The stream spluttered, froze, pixelated - dozens of times - still they stuck with it. FOR ONE HOUR.

This is an editorial choice. No other party gets this coverage. ~AA

That is that employers who need to source labour from overseas should also pay for British workers to be trained to meet those needs.

All parties have a version of this

And Brexit was supposed to deliver it

Instead it delivered the Boris wave of immigration.

This kind of detail will be ignored by Mail/BBC/Telegraph.

Yes. Reform claim they will do it. I don’t believe them.

Labour should have claimed this ground. They didn’t

https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vRMJxozjSTV_Qny11idBDprDzD0DRfhJ-fEunBZsACxtUSm6HHcXWBKfHAYWJYcMEfQespcG6BMWKRq/pub

Link from Jonathan Portes bsky. It's his analysis that explains why the CPS numbers are wrong and that if the figures were right the conclusion would be a long-term fiscal benefit.

https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:td7ymvnnntooulzpovf6u6sd/post/3lzfsoicfbk2z?ref_src=embed

Link to his bsky account

At least the pretence that it’s all the asylum seekers’ faults has been stripped bare.
This is so abhorrent and I can’t believe the country I thought was mainly not so bad to muddle along in, though deteriorating lately, is well I don’t know - 3rd world in some ways - shitty waterways and kids with malnutrition looking at you - then like Hitler’s personal wet dream brought to life in others - so sad.
However, until I need DNA tests to check full ancestry I’m ok - can’t imagine what some are feeling and @DuncinToffeeI’m sorry (and ashamed to be a citizen of the U.K. today tbh)
I can’t even think how shite life would be for those left either.
I went to a SUTR meeting yesterday- they said (as many on here have said) - you may not be on the first page of undesirables but you’ll be in that book - so true.
They said we’re not outnumbered but definitely out organised - there’s some seriously good PR and creatives behind both Regorm and Tommy/Advance - slick and integrative campaigns.
I wonder though if this may sway a few away from them - when it actually dies impact their family/friends.
We will see - and I will most definitely keep turning out - later than usual to get activisting! but I really think it’s needed badly.

How does their concern for the training and employment of British workers marry with their 2024 manifesto pledge;

"Enforce a 2-Strike Rule for Job Offers
All job seekers and those fit to work must find employment within 4 months or accept a job after 2 offers. Otherwise, benefits are withdrawn."

Cuts to benefits and austerity measures never struck me as "leftist".

I agree! I think it’s BS. But superficially it hits a need with some of the voters he wants. Labour should have thought similarly and done something already.

Of course they will be contradictory or make it up. But that is politics. Next manifesto, they could say they will pay grants to young working class men to go to university. Would they actually do it?

The statement from the CPS.

Looking at threads on here today it’s clearly not worrying enough folk.
Leopards eat faces party - think I’m in an alternate universe.

Windrush springs to mind. That went well.

EU nationals with settled status won't be affected by plan to scrap indefinite leave says Reform, so the concentration is on 40% of those from Iceland, Switzerland and Norway, amongst other countries not within the EU.

Not professional and as slick as an oil spill.

Reform are doing well because they can promise the earth and it suits the rich.

This is what they said before

Maybe Farage is a bit worried about his French partner

I mean I hope it won’t, so much, though less than I hope he just doesn’t get in - but the numbers they used to support such a policy have a high proportion of EU folk I believe - confusing (or not really just concerning folk fall for it all)

The title of the crap immigration plans brochure, which has no basis in reality, is "Prioritising UK Citizens". Sounds like UK citizens are next in line. "An autonomous collective/anarcho-syndicalist commune" springs to mind.

Christ, there are some heartless twats on MN. It is very depressing.

They are heartless because they don't actually exist. And, if they do exist, then their raison d'etre is to wind people up - so therefore also heartless.

I refuse to watch them, I won't add to their viewing figures.

Do you suppose she posts kn MN too?
www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/sep/21/house-of-commons-nursery-provider-article-praising-reform-conference

Very likely Piggy

Excellent point. The easiest way to collapse the NHs to to get rid of its workforce 🤬

I was pleased though to hear it described as “Boris wave” with all the extra migration and not being blamed on Labour.

Not that im against immigration - I know we need it - but because im fed up of headlines about labour “open boarders” when they’ve actually reduced immigration (time will tell if that’s had a negative effect or not)

I loved listening to Ed Davey in the rounds this morning. His communication was clear and his stance was clear.

He’s setting himself up nicely to be the centric party vote at the next GE.

It is a shame he doesn't get even half as much airtime as Farage.