Page 7 | How to actually preserve British culture and values?

constantcycle · 2025-09-13T18:24:51+00:00

Seeing all of the flag-flying and marches in the name of "preserving British culture" and "promoting British values," I was wondering if anyone has any advice on how to actually do these things rather than stoking division and hatred? I already support museums, visit the National Trust sites and national parks whenever I can, and buy from local businesses as much as possible. I love listening to British music and attending events with local artists. I do my best to buy local produce, and I love a good farm shop when I can afford them! I also take lessons in my local language, one of the several dying British languages people are doing their best to conserve. I'm thinking maybe I should find some volunteering opportunities too. Is there anything more I could be doing, or that others may not have considered? I'd love to see this sudden surge in patriotism used for the good of British society and all of the diverse communities within it!

KatSlayMoon · 14/09/2025 09:43

Gingernessy · 14/09/2025 09:39

I give up!
Have a nice day in shit Britain.

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Thank you!

caringcarer · 14/09/2025 09:44

cornflourblue · 14/09/2025 09:16

There is no such thing as UK Law.

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What is th law of the land in UK then?

KatSlayMoon · 14/09/2025 09:44

NautilusLionfish · 14/09/2025 09:41

That's because the Danes and Romans totally dominated tribes here and changed you fundamentally. We on the other hand survived you. You destroyed so much of us but we held on. We survived. Now we are you nightmare come true. My great grandfather and my grandfather both fought colonisation. I am your nightmare. My best friends mother lived through the mau mau massacres. A colleague speaks Russian because being hunted during the fight against colonisation in the late 70s, he fled and sought refuge in Russia (as no western allied country wouldntake him) where he got his education. He could not return to his home until after 1980 when we won the freedom. As late as 1986 most governments in the west still supported apartheid one way or another. And don't forget the traumas inflicted on Iraqis. I only hear about ptsd of soldiers who were there for months at the most and lost a couple of friends. Never of Iraqis who lost friends, families, neighbourhoods and then live through the toxins left behind with hardly any support. So yes, we will talk about it. We will mourn and moan. You can talk about the Romans and Danes if you wwant. We won't stop you and you won't stop us.
And we will come. By boat, plane, or spaceship. We will walk on water if we have to. Until there is justice and global equality.

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I think I’m in love. Excellent post.

caringcarer · 14/09/2025 09:45

ILoveWhales · 14/09/2025 09:20

Pretty much yes. If I moved abroad to another country and chose to make my life there. I would make sure I learned the language and integrated.

I wouldn't expect to impose my culture on them. Or expect them to change. That's not how it works when you choose to move somewhere.

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I agree. I've got a holiday home in France. When in France I speak French.

chickenroll · 14/09/2025 09:46

I have no interest in going on marches or waving flags, but these threads always include the same points:

What about British pensioners in Spain (Spain's problem to deal with; if they want to kick them out, so be it)
Ummm actually x thing is originally from y country so can't be British (is it just the UK that gets this tedious Otto English nitpicking, or do people do the same in Paraguay, Iran, Austria, Uganda, Tuvalu?)
I am British but don't like x therefore it can't possibly be generally associated with British culture

ArghhWhatNext · 14/09/2025 09:47

rickyrickygrimes · 14/09/2025 07:23

I’m not sure if people on this thread are wilfully misunderstanding this but i think when the marchers refer to ‘protecting British culture and values’ they don’t mean it the way it is being understood on this thread. They aren’t talking about literature, poetry, landscapes, traditions, heritage. They aren’t talking about queuing or apologising for bumping into someone or being politely ironic.

I think what they mean is that their part of / experience of Britain no longer looks, sounds, smells or feels like ‘Britain’ to them. That it has changed in many ways as ‘non-British’ people have moved to live there and brought they own dress, food, language, customs, standards, lifestyles etc with them. And they don’t like this, they don’t feel comfortable with all this change, when the place they thought they knew changes and different feel like theirs anymore - and they were there first (and this becomes a major issue when public resources are stretched)!

Some people benefit from multiculturalism. My lefty sister loves to shop in ethnic food stores and eat authentic Chinese dumplings - then she returns to her big house in her middle-class, white, wealthy town. Some don’t see those benefits. My working class FIL has watched the population of his local area change to the extent that he’s the last white person living in his block: all his neighbours are Indian / Pakistani / Nigerian, and they make his home sound, look, smell and feel very different to the place he knew - ethnic food stores and dumplings don’t make up for what he has lost: a community that feels like his own.

I think this is an excellent understanding of what’s going on. We are an increasingly divided country and a lot of us who live in nice communities with cricket clubs and cafes that do afternoon tea and functioning pubs and bandstands with concerts actually have no idea how home has changed in other communities. Change is frightening and then people become vulnerable to the words of the populists.

KatSlayMoon · 14/09/2025 09:48

caringcarer · 14/09/2025 09:44

What is th law of the land in UK then?

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There isn’t one. The UK has three separate legal systems. This migrant seems to know more about your laws than you do. How can you babble on about British culture when you don’t even know anything about your own systems of governance?

Gingernessy · 14/09/2025 09:49

NautilusLionfish · 14/09/2025 09:41

That's because the Danes and Romans totally dominated tribes here and changed you fundamentally. We on the other hand survived you. You destroyed so much of us but we held on. We survived. Now we are you nightmare come true. My great grandfather and my grandfather both fought colonisation. I am your nightmare. My best friends mother lived through the mau mau massacres. A colleague speaks Russian because being hunted during the fight against colonisation in the late 70s, he fled and sought refuge in Russia (as no western allied country wouldntake him) where he got his education. He could not return to his home until after 1980 when we won the freedom. As late as 1986 most governments in the west still supported apartheid one way or another. And don't forget the traumas inflicted on Iraqis. I only hear about ptsd of soldiers who were there for months at the most and lost a couple of friends. Never of Iraqis who lost friends, families, neighbourhoods and then live through the toxins left behind with hardly any support. So yes, we will talk about it. We will mourn and moan. You can talk about the Romans and Danes if you wwant. We won't stop you and you won't stop us.
And we will come. By boat, plane, or spaceship. We will walk on water if we have to. Until there is justice and global equality.

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Take your nasty rhetoric out on someone else and remember you only know your own struggles and are not privy to those of others

cornflourblue · 14/09/2025 09:50

caringcarer · 14/09/2025 09:44

What is th law of the land in UK then?

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There isn't a "law of the land in the UK", that's my point.

There's Scots Law and English Law (which includes Wales). I understand that Northern Irish law is different again.

This is a good overview of the most common differences between Scots and English legal systems, they are quite different and distinct:

https://www.ltscotland.org.uk/the-differences-between-the-english-and-scottish-law/

The Differences Between The English And Scottish Law | LTSCOTLAND.ORG.UK

https://www.ltscotland.org.uk/the-differences-between-the-english-and-scottish-law/

KatSlayMoon · 14/09/2025 09:51

Gingernessy · 14/09/2025 09:49

Take your nasty rhetoric out on someone else and remember you only know your own struggles and are not privy to those of others

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I thought you were out? And I enjoyed that post. You don’t get to colonise this thread I’m afraid.

Parker231 · 14/09/2025 09:51

Northquit · 13/09/2025 20:04

Which includes not dropping litter, not talking hugely loudly in public on your mobile and queuing nicely.

That might just be manners.

Going for a drink in the local, quiz night, occasionally poker, home watch meetings, going to table top sales and jumbles.

The pub used to be a huge focus for local communities. Not so much now. I think one a day is closing.

Strawberry pick your own. Walking in the countryside. Walking to the local shops.

I think speaking English when out and about is important. It's something that makes people feel that there's a community. If you don't live in an area where many languages are spoken then you just won't get how weird it is and it can be unsettling.

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We don’t speak English when we are out as a family as it’s not our family language. If we meet people when we are out who only speak English obviously we will swop to English.

BerryTwister · 14/09/2025 09:52

Go to your local pub, chippy and church.

NeartoNewquay · 14/09/2025 09:53

@NautilusLionfish - very strange that you would want to live in a country that is so evil (according to you). Unless you have an ulterior motive.

Your arguments are a gift to Reform, they won't need a PR department will people like you.

KatSlayMoon · 14/09/2025 09:58

ArghhWhatNext · 14/09/2025 09:47

I think this is an excellent understanding of what’s going on. We are an increasingly divided country and a lot of us who live in nice communities with cricket clubs and cafes that do afternoon tea and functioning pubs and bandstands with concerts actually have no idea how home has changed in other communities. Change is frightening and then people become vulnerable to the words of the populists.

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I find it interesting that you seem to be making a distinction between those that live in “nice” communities being white British and those in what? “Not so nice” communities being immigrants-why is that? I know a lot of immigrants who live very well in “nice” market towns and enjoy cricket (a game developed during either the Saxon or Norman periods by the way: another addition to “British” culture).

Why the assumption that immigrants only live in a particular way in the UK? There are a lot of wealthy, middle class immigrants in the UK-are they acceptable?

BerryTwister · 14/09/2025 09:59

NautilusLionfish · 14/09/2025 09:41

That's because the Danes and Romans totally dominated tribes here and changed you fundamentally. We on the other hand survived you. You destroyed so much of us but we held on. We survived. Now we are you nightmare come true. My great grandfather and my grandfather both fought colonisation. I am your nightmare. My best friends mother lived through the mau mau massacres. A colleague speaks Russian because being hunted during the fight against colonisation in the late 70s, he fled and sought refuge in Russia (as no western allied country wouldntake him) where he got his education. He could not return to his home until after 1980 when we won the freedom. As late as 1986 most governments in the west still supported apartheid one way or another. And don't forget the traumas inflicted on Iraqis. I only hear about ptsd of soldiers who were there for months at the most and lost a couple of friends. Never of Iraqis who lost friends, families, neighbourhoods and then live through the toxins left behind with hardly any support. So yes, we will talk about it. We will mourn and moan. You can talk about the Romans and Danes if you wwant. We won't stop you and you won't stop us.
And we will come. By boat, plane, or spaceship. We will walk on water if we have to. Until there is justice and global equality.

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@NautilusLionfish can you talk me through the “walking on water” thing? Wow I’d love to see that. How is it done?

KatSlayMoon · 14/09/2025 09:59

NeartoNewquay · 14/09/2025 09:53

@NautilusLionfish - very strange that you would want to live in a country that is so evil (according to you). Unless you have an ulterior motive.

Your arguments are a gift to Reform, they won't need a PR department will people like you.

Yeah the truth is usually painful to hear isn’t it?

NeartoNewquay · 14/09/2025 10:01

I think you are misunderstanding me @KatSlayMoon.

Pedallleur · 14/09/2025 10:05

healthyteeth · 14/09/2025 09:39

Good on you for taking it down. Out of curiosity how exactly did you remove it? I want to remove a couple from my street.

“I want my flag back” 😂 coward.

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Low enough to reach so I just pulled but I would have used a short ladder if required. Just knock on my door and ask. An anonymous note is just that. I don't know who you are so how can I return it?

NautilusLionfish · 14/09/2025 10:05

NeartoNewquay · 14/09/2025 09:53

@NautilusLionfish - very strange that you would want to live in a country that is so evil (according to you). Unless you have an ulterior motive.

Your arguments are a gift to Reform, they won't need a PR department will people like you.

What's hateful about my post
Pointing out that the invasion of the Danes and Romans was different (all emcompassing) than colonisation?
Pointing out that we survived colonisation?
Pointing out that Iraqis were traumatised and live with the aftermath of the Iraqi war with little support?
Pointing out that as long as global injustice a nd inequality continue people will continue to migrate?
All of the above?

Gingernessy · 14/09/2025 10:07

KatSlayMoon · 14/09/2025 09:51

I thought you were out? And I enjoyed that post. You don’t get to colonise this thread I’m afraid.

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Sorry - had to respond to the poster who can walk on water - the last person I know of who did that is special to me and rather awesome but he believed in peace and forgiveness not vengeance.

PistachioTiramisu · 14/09/2025 10:17

I think it is important that children learn about our history and historical events. It amazes me to see how ignorant some people are on quiz shows, unable to identify key British monarchs, explorers, artists, etc.

It's also important to keep our Christmas traditions - it is not 'the festive season' or 'happy holidays' or 'winter season'. Same with Easter.

We need to celebrate the things which are quintessentially British - such as the pomp and ceremony surrounding royal events.

Bring back competitiveness - in schools, in adult life. It's ridiculous to say 'everybody wins if they take part' - what's the point of taking part if you aren't striving to win, to be the best?

Above all, celebrate the British sense of fairness in everything - including forming queues for things, taking your turn.

I could think of many more examples, but perhaps this might provide food for thought?

charliehungerford · 14/09/2025 10:19

PickAChew · 13/09/2025 22:49

I assume, then, that if you and your family were to go on holiday to Iceland, or Italy, you would likewise communicate with your family entirely in the local language any time you were in public, together.

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I think you’re being rather disingenuous there, if I’m in Italy or Iceland I’m on holiday, and although I’d always make an effort to learn some basic phrases in the language of the place I’m visiting, I’m not resident there and no one would expect me to be fluent. I knew people in the area I once lived in who didn’t speak English, they weren’t on holiday, one particular gentleman had lived here for 40 years, his grandson had to translate for him. The problem is with integration, when people who settle here integrate, learn our language and accept our rule of law and our customs, it’s not an issue. Unfortunately many do not, they don’t need to as they live in communities where they are surrounded by people from the same place, and we are happy to offer translation services for them. I would say the same about some of the British who go to live in Spain, they often don’t make an effort to learn the language and only mix with other British people.

NeartoNewquay · 14/09/2025 10:20

@NautilusLionfish - I didn't say your post was hateful. As I said I am surprised that you would want to live somewhere that was responsible for all those things.

You also said that you would walk on water which I took to be a slight against a rather important figure in Christianity which has a long and important history in this country. I find that quite offensive but as a pp said when you are brought up as a Christian, you are taught about forgiveness and compassion.

We all know what happens if someone insults a similar figure in a different religion. The same rules do not seem to apply.

washingmysocks · 14/09/2025 10:27

What I’ve always found weird about this narrative that we’ve ‘lost’ our heritage etc etc is that our actually very thriving folk culture is so often belittled by the ‘mainstream’ - see poster above describing Morris dancers as ‘quirky little people’! Other countries that have all this national pride people bang on about put their folk cultures - music, dance, rituals - front and centre, they’re state supported, viewed with pride. Whereas ours have become more of a counterculture that many people seem to see as weird and even sinister!

Parker231 · 14/09/2025 10:29

PistachioTiramisu · 14/09/2025 10:17

I think it is important that children learn about our history and historical events. It amazes me to see how ignorant some people are on quiz shows, unable to identify key British monarchs, explorers, artists, etc.

It's also important to keep our Christmas traditions - it is not 'the festive season' or 'happy holidays' or 'winter season'. Same with Easter.

We need to celebrate the things which are quintessentially British - such as the pomp and ceremony surrounding royal events.

Bring back competitiveness - in schools, in adult life. It's ridiculous to say 'everybody wins if they take part' - what's the point of taking part if you aren't striving to win, to be the best?

Above all, celebrate the British sense of fairness in everything - including forming queues for things, taking your turn.

I could think of many more examples, but perhaps this might provide food for thought?

It's also important to keep our Christmas traditions - it is not 'the festive season' or 'happy holidays' or 'winter season'. Same with Easter.

Many of us are atheists so have non religious celebrations at Christmas and Easter. Traditions are often unique to each family.