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How to actually preserve British culture and values?

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constantcycle · 13/09/2025 19:24

Seeing all of the flag-flying and marches in the name of "preserving British culture" and "promoting British values," I was wondering if anyone has any advice on how to actually do these things rather than stoking division and hatred?

I already support museums, visit the National Trust sites and national parks whenever I can, and buy from local businesses as much as possible. I love listening to British music and attending events with local artists. I do my best to buy local produce, and I love a good farm shop when I can afford them! I also take lessons in my local language, one of the several dying British languages people are doing their best to conserve. I'm thinking maybe I should find some volunteering opportunities too.

Is there anything more I could be doing, or that others may not have considered? I'd love to see this sudden surge in patriotism used for the good of British society and all of the diverse communities within it!

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Whereismyjoiedevivre · 13/09/2025 22:51

Emori · 13/09/2025 22:36

It certainly shows all these claims that "we can't fly our own flag any more" to be complete nonsense.

That’s the point: they’re flying the EU flag at the Proms according to the PP rather than “our” flag.

KatSlayMoon · 13/09/2025 22:52

PickAChew · 13/09/2025 22:49

I assume, then, that if you and your family were to go on holiday to Iceland, or Italy, you would likewise communicate with your family entirely in the local language any time you were in public, together.

Oh no, see when British people go abroad they’re either tourists or expats. When anyone else does it they’re illegals or immigrants. British people can do what they like, it’s everybody else that is expected to adapt.

I mean how many “British” pubs are there in Spain again?

PickAChew · 13/09/2025 22:55

KatSlayMoon · 13/09/2025 22:52

Oh no, see when British people go abroad they’re either tourists or expats. When anyone else does it they’re illegals or immigrants. British people can do what they like, it’s everybody else that is expected to adapt.

I mean how many “British” pubs are there in Spain again?

Ah, silly me. I should have known there was a difference 🙃

mamagogo1 · 13/09/2025 22:55

Unfortunately the flags and marching isn’t about British values, it’s not even disguised xenophobia, racism and general ignorance as to what being British is about.

remember that you can be British and not be keen on old castles, jam making and museums, and certainly not like football nor other doughs of faux patriotism.

im proud to be British but I don’t need a flag, and I’m proud to live in a country that welcomes others to live here, my own family tree includes a decendant that fled the rise of the Nazi’s, further back we found Huguenots.

tierralee · 13/09/2025 22:56

Being British has a lot to celebrate really.
Just today, one of my friend’s husbands travelled to London for his final English test before he applies for the right to stay in the UK for good. He comes from a rich country but has chosen to come here for love, has been welcomed into the local rural community and runs a successful award winning business there.

So that shows we generally uphold the British values of fair play and tolerance towards others, respecting their differences. I hope this will continue?

Politeness is a good British value but try not to do the British thing of saying sorry all the time for no good reason it’s quite an annoying habit, i regularly get scolded by my Polish friends for doing it!

Queues are regarded as a good thing except at a bar where no one should queue unless there’s an actual sign.
British countryside and beaches and some architecture are lovely; tourists come from all over the world to visit them.

Our democracy and welcome to strangers is world famous - no wonder asylum seekers like to come here. Don’t forget our language is spoken the world over and many developing countries have British style education systems as a result of us having had such a huge empire (the empire was actually not a good thing only for Britain itself but it’s part of history that we have to live with).

We’ve taken certain EU directives on board (from before Brexit) much more seriously than in other countries and it’s actually a good thing, maybe because we’re a country that likes to follow rules and regulations.
Our health and safety culture is actually a good thing as you will find if you go to place where there is none.
Our Equalities Act is generally followed more here than abroad too which has been helpful for Disabled people and anyone with a protected characteristic (As a person with a serious mental illness I wouldn’t be in a job if it wasn’t for the reasonable adjustments of the Equalities Act).

We have the NHS which despite its faults provides us free healthcare- one of my FB friends from a certain country was bemoaning the mosquitoes there and I came to realise that not only are anti malaria vaccines unavailable there but they also can’t just pop down the local Boots for some deet spray (he’d never heard of deet) and the mosquitos are feeding off free flowing sewage in the town! If locals get ill from bites they have no free / cheap access to a clinic for treatment either. That’s when I realised just how privileged we are in the UK.

Our traditional food can have foreign influences such as fish and chips, chicken tikka masala.

Britsh food such as pies, sausage and mash, is basic but done well can be really tasty.

Some of the foods that under the EU would’ve been designated local origin are really good. For example we make good cheeses, clotted cream, pasties, and other items. The afternoon tea & the cream tea are typical British traditions I enjoy. British puddings and regional cakes can be very nice.

We have a police force & armed forces that a lot of the world emulates and we are a senior member of NATO. We see some riots and protests but in the last 3 centuries we haven’t seen the kind of revolutions & unrest that other countries have, mainly because we are a democracy and have not had a totalitarian regime. With the exception of NI, we really don’t understand what it’s like to have the military on our streets. Yes we’ve had terrorism and my own family suffered from racist mob violence in 1913 here in England prior to ww1, but we’ve never suffered actual genocide.

So to be British is to be privileged but sadly a lot of us are too busy moaning (very British) to get that.

Whereismyjoiedevivre · 13/09/2025 22:56

Shegotanology · 13/09/2025 21:32

The people who support Reform should read about what happened in 1930s Germany. The same is happening again.

Not sure they can read 🤭

CurlewKate · 13/09/2025 22:59

SumUp · 13/09/2025 22:47

I’m feeling like @CurlewKate has expressed.

I’m not religious, a royalist, a lover of stodgy British food, or interested in the so called traditions listed. I just want to get on with my life in peace without flag waving wankers or fascists disrupting it.

And I don’t like pubs, and I am not “unsettled” by people not speaking English in my vicinity. I do like a roast dinner, though. Will that do?

Anxious2024 · 13/09/2025 23:34

mamagogo1 · 13/09/2025 22:55

Unfortunately the flags and marching isn’t about British values, it’s not even disguised xenophobia, racism and general ignorance as to what being British is about.

remember that you can be British and not be keen on old castles, jam making and museums, and certainly not like football nor other doughs of faux patriotism.

im proud to be British but I don’t need a flag, and I’m proud to live in a country that welcomes others to live here, my own family tree includes a decendant that fled the rise of the Nazi’s, further back we found Huguenots.

Agreed - regarding not having to like or take part in any particularly “British” things in order to be in fact British - whatever that means.

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 13/09/2025 23:52

mamagogo1 · 13/09/2025 22:55

Unfortunately the flags and marching isn’t about British values, it’s not even disguised xenophobia, racism and general ignorance as to what being British is about.

remember that you can be British and not be keen on old castles, jam making and museums, and certainly not like football nor other doughs of faux patriotism.

im proud to be British but I don’t need a flag, and I’m proud to live in a country that welcomes others to live here, my own family tree includes a decendant that fled the rise of the Nazi’s, further back we found Huguenots.

Excellent post.
I was a bit disappointed to find my family tree only contains Brits and Welsh as I was hoping to justify a nice holiday somewhere in the name of genealogy, but nope 🙄.

And seeing as I'm not really partial to anything on your list (can take or leave a castle or period property, the thought of making jam makes me shudder and I detest football. Although do have a soft spot for the Lionesses) I don't know where I'd go if Tommy Robinson and his ilk kicked me out for not being British enough.

DontGoJasonWaterfalls · 14/09/2025 00:05

Northquit · 13/09/2025 21:58

Some of us are not linguists. Some of us can't learn Urdu and Bengali and the other various languages spoken locally.

Humans are social creatures. We crave to be with people we can communicate with.

Correction - you can't be bothered to learn Urdu / Bengali / Welsh / any of the other languages people dare to speak in your superior Anglo presence.

Either you crave communication enough that you'll try and learn, or you'll grow up and stop whining about people talking in their own languages.

Testerical · 14/09/2025 00:11

Culture can’t be preserved.

It’s not seasonal fruit or a dead body.

Ask your racists what culture they want to preserve…. They just mean, “when I go out and work, travel or socialise, I don’t want to have to try and go outside my comfort zone -it’s easier if I see you all as being like me”.

BourgeoisBabe · 14/09/2025 00:28

As someone from a country colonised by Britain, I'm not sure traditional British values are so great.

Pinkfluffypencilcase · 14/09/2025 02:19

BendoftheBeginning · 13/09/2025 21:57

Stop following whatever hairbrained ideas are coming out of America would be a good start.

Agree!

Go back to turnips at Halloween

Namitynamename · 14/09/2025 02:58

MoominMai · 13/09/2025 20:13

Agree with everyone saying the marches, sudden increase in flag waving and painting red crosses on roundabouts is more about negativity and hate against anyone not white British born in a nutshell.

So many times, I ask people expressing concern for disappearing British culture about what specifically they mean and yet they never can expand beyond derogatory comments such as ‘soon we’ll be a minority in our own country’.

Interestingly I love watching old social history films and it’s incredible how since the 60s people have expressed concern at the old ways disappearing, fears of modernisation and loss of community. So it would seem that it’s because they’re experiencing the march of ‘advancements’ and modern ‘progression’ including the changing nature of the employment market, changes in sexual behaviour, lack of suitable housing - it’s all there from the 60s. Yet people talk as though this is a new thing and all because of immigration. So whilst I don’t want uncontrolled or unsustainable immigration of course, it amazes me how people throughout history will just go for an impossibly simple scapegoat and on the back of that just create chaos in a bid to remove that element and ‘reclaim’ ‘the way it used to be’ - without acknowledging or realising this has naturally been under change for many decades!

And the mad thing is I’m a child of hardworking immigrants who has embraced the culture as I see it as in I was polite, law abiding child, went onto uni. Adore history and in fact never had a holiday abroad as I prefer to put coin back into local business and just adore Britain so much ill often visit the same place twice to learn more about the history and fund it continuing. My will already leaves pretty much everything to the National Trust as I have no dependants so that it may continue in Britain for future generations. I love the English language amd have studied as a hobby more about it and how phrases came to be as well as old words not so commonly used. But amongst my white British born peers both as a child and adult, I seem to know far more than them about their own culture if this is part of it and they frequently think I’m mad for only ever holidaying here since it’s frequently much more expensive then flying abroad for a bit of sun. As a teenager in the 90s, I also worked at Oxfam before it was cool lol - I remember people putting the Oxfam plastic branded shop into an old Tesco or Sainsbury’s bag such was their ‘shame’ at having come here and even my own sister wouldn’t come in and would only wait outside for me at end of shift! Bit I dogress I guess other than to say to me helping out with your free time felt like British culture to me.

Anyway, apologies for this ridiculously long rant but I just feel so blessed my parents came here and - oh and I love love scones with real clotted cream and tea 😅. But so much more I could say I do like go to pantomimes, folk festivals, antiques fairs and to me this is preserved British culture but no one ever replies to me, they just make hateful comments about not being welcome here which again brings me back to what many other PP have said it’s always ever been something much darker that is their agenda.

Í agree with your very long post!

That sense of loss is a real British thing though. I really like Tolkien and he talked about reverse nostalgia where you know the thing you love now is going to go (in his case the beautiful village he loved doomed to be swallowed by the industrial sprawl of Birmingham). Or Blake worrying about the militarisation/industrialisation of Britain a century earlier. Although ironically, by the late twentieth century it was the deindustrialisation and decline of coal etc that sparked a sense of loss of a way of life.

And there is a very old English poem written in Anglo Saxon times "the tuin" where some guy is wondering around ancient Roman ruins imagining the people that used to live there and being a bit wistful.

And I don't think people are wrong to be unhappy about some changes - especially when they affect income/quality of life/dignity. Or just because change is unpleasant. But right now there's a lot of change (and hardship) and it's like first the EU then immigration are a lightening rod to explain that unsettling feeling. Which just adds to the sense of everything going to the dogs.

Blake's solution was that English people should embrace creativity over militarisation/chauvinism (I am somewhat abbreviating). So I guess that means I am helping by listening to music/going to gigs. Which I am more than happy to do.

Namitynamename · 14/09/2025 03:10

BoschMkII · 13/09/2025 20:24

I don't think the people supporting the marches/flags have got a clue about what British culture actually is. The white British supremacy rubbish isn't something I recognise from my own daily life, it feels like another US import that's morphed into something else on dry land here.

Agree completely. Not that there hasn't been racism/xenophobia in British history. It's a part of our history (evil May Day) but there's a very weird idea of "English heritage" that seems to have wafted over the Atlantic. The "Elon Musk cares about the UK because of his English heritage" bunk. When actually he seems to despise the UK for being weak.

Namitynamename · 14/09/2025 03:11

Pinkfluffypencilcase · 14/09/2025 02:19

Agree!

Go back to turnips at Halloween

Have you ever carved a swede? Nightmare

Greenfinch7 · 14/09/2025 03:28

Dappy777 · 13/09/2025 21:06

It depends how you define British culture. It also depends what you value. Personally, though I’m a conservative and a patriot, I don’t want to conserve everything. I detest the royal family and fox hunting and The Sun newspaper, for example.

To me, British culture is, above all, British literature. If you want to preserve our culture read our literature. Read Dickens and Jane Austen and George Eliot and the Brontes and Virginia Woolf and P. G. Wodehouse. Read the poetry of Wordsworth and Blake and Byron and Shelley and Keats and Tennyson and Ted Hughes and Philip Larkin. Read Chaucer and Shakespeare. Read Boswell’s biography of Dr Johnson. Read about British scientists like Darwin and Newton and Hawking. And teach all that to your children. British history is bound up with its literature. To me, WW1, for example, is the poetry of Wilfred Owen and Siegfried Sassoon.

Until very recently, most of our writers saw themselves as part of a single, continuous literature. Shakespeare read Chaucer. Milton knew his Shakespeare. Blake knew his Milton. And Wordsworth knew his Blake. Even poets like Ted Hughes and Philip Larkin were patriots (not stupid nationalists, let me stress, just mildly patriotic). They thought of themselves as British writers who were part of a British tradition stretching back to Chaucer. Every other country is proud of its literature so I don’t see why we shouldn’t be, especially when we have produced one of the greatest bodies of literature in the world.

This is what I was going to say. Add Lewis Carroll and George Orwell-

A sense of irony, the capacity for simultaneous clarity and complexity.
I often feel these are getting lost.

rickyrickygrimes · 14/09/2025 07:23

I’m not sure if people on this thread are wilfully misunderstanding this but i think when the marchers refer to ‘protecting British culture and values’ they don’t mean it the way it is being understood on this thread. They aren’t talking about literature, poetry, landscapes, traditions, heritage. They aren’t talking about queuing or apologising for bumping into someone or being politely ironic.

I think what they mean is that their part of / experience of Britain no longer looks, sounds, smells or feels like ‘Britain’ to them. That it has changed in many ways as ‘non-British’ people have moved to live there and brought they own dress, food, language, customs, standards, lifestyles etc with them. And they don’t like this, they don’t feel comfortable with all this change, when the place they thought they knew changes and different feel like theirs anymore - and they were there first (and this becomes a major issue when public resources are stretched)!

Some people benefit from multiculturalism. My lefty sister loves to shop in ethnic food stores and eat authentic Chinese dumplings - then she returns to her big house in her middle-class, white, wealthy town. Some don’t see those benefits. My working class FIL has watched the population of his local area change to the extent that he’s the last white person living in his block: all his neighbours are Indian / Pakistani / Nigerian, and they make his home sound, look, smell and feel very different to the place he knew - ethnic food stores and dumplings don’t make up for what he has lost: a community that feels like his own.

WolfinSheepsDress · 14/09/2025 07:43

@Greenfinch7 @Dappy777 all our culture as I mentioned earlier the Ealing comedies but our film and music and literature out put is phenomenal

Ginmonkeyagain · 14/09/2025 07:45

OP I would explore the art of Jeremy Deller. He is very interested in the folk traditions of communities across the UK.

Readyforslippers · 14/09/2025 07:53

When did British values officially start then? Which ones are acceptable? Cultures change over time.

IstillloveKingThistle · 14/09/2025 08:22

Shegotanology · 13/09/2025 21:32

The people who support Reform should read about what happened in 1930s Germany. The same is happening again.

Utter nonsense. Leftist drivel again.

MaiAamWaliHun · 14/09/2025 08:51

I read 'Another England- How to Reclaim our National Story' by Caroline Lucas, it is talking about how to reclaim the narrative about being British. Basically is saying there are many things current and historical which define us that we can take pride in as our identity. Doesn't have to be about anti-immigration, far right type stuff. Worth a read.

Gingernessy · 14/09/2025 08:59

KatSlayMoon · 13/09/2025 22:52

Oh no, see when British people go abroad they’re either tourists or expats. When anyone else does it they’re illegals or immigrants. British people can do what they like, it’s everybody else that is expected to adapt.

I mean how many “British” pubs are there in Spain again?

Aren't tourists and expats paying their own way when they go abroad.
What examples do you have of Brits turning up in other countries claiming asylum needing to claim stste assistance to survive

LBFseBrom · 14/09/2025 09:07

Donttellempike · 13/09/2025 19:34

If anyone thinks the flags are intended as a symbol to preserve British culture I have a bridge to sell you 😂

I agree.

I have no idea what British culture and values are anyway and I'm 75 years old. I know what my values are and those of people I know but cannot think of any particular cultural aspects. I 'get' all the museums and stately homes, the National Trust, music, art etc, thoroughly enjoy them too, but such things also exist in other countries.

Yesterday's protesters would probably be unable to describe the British culture they are so keen on preserving; if they are an example of it, I despair.