Labour isn't working - Thread 8

[TheNuthatch]

A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government.

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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Perfect on Labour criteria then. Probs a shoe-in, if it can be arranged.

The whole problem with this Labour government is that they have spent so long in opposition that there are no statesmen left among them who know the ropes. Reform has the same problem for different reasons. They're full of idealogy that just doesn't translate to policy.

Labour - The government the ironic resignation..

https://www.facebook.com/PrivateEyeNews/videos/1592900711671023/?mibextid=rS40aB7S9Ucbxw6v

Right on cue: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15094411/Andy-Burnham-challenge-Keir-Starmer-MP-ready-stand.html

And: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15094577/poll-Keir-Starmer-ousted-Prime-Minister.html

With 24k votes in the affirmative! Not really surprising in the DM.

Mandelson isn't an MP so he can't have the whip withdrawn.

I do reckon a top group of Burnham.
Cooper, and Streeting might be more popular - but it depends if they have any better ideas…

I agree a bit about Mandelson @ChardonnaysBeastlyCat that he did look like a good fit - but, I still wonder how the vetting fell down so dramatically - the fact Mandy thought it would be fine as it was all known does mean it was signed off when it shouldn’t have been.

its the whole ed balls ‘they don’t seem to look round corners’ thing.

Ignore me. I thought you were talking about Mandelson. But you are talking about Andrew Gwynne.

Surely tho whoever takes over is hamstrung by the manifesto?

They could argue that the debt crisis has risen to such levels that they need a reset - if they have to make more tax rises this autumn, however they do that aren’t they already making a mockery of the manifesto?

The markets didn’t like the small signs from Reeves (upset and sidelined), a full on change will be carnage if it means more spending

We weren't talking about Mandelson though

Yes sorry forgot his name 🫣

I do wonder how this will impact the budget. On 1 hand severely hamstrung by the manifesto yet on the other hand they've brought in hard left tax rise supporting people on the "budget committee"......which side will win out? Will they even be able to do anything bearing in mind the strength of opposition to the leadership from their own MPs........

Yes, they lied during campaigning, simply to gain power.

They were compelled to lie because they lack the experience and competence, as been amply demonstrated.

It’s a beautiful dilemma for Labour.

I genuinely hope that Reeves tries to shoe-horn in some enormous tax rises. Then we will be closer to lancing the boil that is this Labour government.

I do not think it will take a lot to make the entire edifice crumble.

Regardless of what we think of him, it seems Tommy Robinson has struck a nerve with the Great British public. I honestly don't think a lot of folk who went on the march today are doing anything more than demonstrating against government policy rather than any one issue as the left would have us believe. I think it could also add to the turmoil around Starmer.

Yes there's so much anger and frustration about Starmer and Labour that this gives an outlet. Obviously some are there for Robinson, some may be there to cause trouble but just labelling everyone who is attending a "rascist" is too reductive.

That may be true. But I wouldn’t go within 100 miles of Tommy Robinson.

I’m also opposed to the anti-migrant protests. Not because I don’t think there’s an issue to be addressed - there plainly is - but because the protesters seem to be very bad advertisements for the argument.

When the protests were violent last year I was frankly a bit ashamed that a few Tory voices were equivocal about it all. IMO no self-respecting conservative should condone protests that encourage violence. I leave that to the obnoxious left.

I do agree with that, it's the optics.

I think it’s all making Starmer more nervous.

I have no doubt of that. He has trouble in every direction

It was incredibly well attended - over 100,000 people - so I would imagine a good cross section of society.

I think it probably is a bit of a lightning rod for discontent. That tends to be how these things go. The scale is unsettling.

Like you, I feel like immigration has been terribly managed for years, propping up the GDP to the net benefit of the country but leaving the least resourced people in the country to pick up the consequences.

And I wish that reasoned debates about the subject was enough to make an intervention and impact on government policy. That's my preference. Not a crowd of pissed off disenfranchised voices led by thugs. But that's where we are at now, apparently.

Almost all of them men.