Lucy Letby - have you changed your mind pt. 5

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Part 4 here - https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/5400564-lucy-letby-have-you-changed-your-mind-thread-4?utm_campaign=thread&utm_medium=app_share

Originally started by @kittybythelighthouse

@H202too Just on your earlier point about her not being the best nurse, you're right she was not a good nurse at all, in fact she was an absolutely terrible nurse.

I remember there was one mother who said her little girl’s foot is covered in scars because the nurse couldn’t do the procedure correctly and kept injecting her over and over again. Turns out the nurse was none other than Lucy Letby. Then we have the morphine overdose where she could've killed a child if not picked up on and she was just mad she didn’t have access to drugs for a bit and that "it had been escalated more than it needed to be" despite it being an incredibly serious "mistake".

She moaned that doing feeds was “boring” and it was proven she was texting whilst doing feeds. Would get angry if put in the outside nurseries or not put with her "favourite" babies that she wanted. Families noticed her just standing there staring at them to the point one mother asked her to leave. A parent said she was hovering over their baby doing nothing and baby later went on to collapse. Had to be asked to leave grieving family alone because she kept going in the room despite having no reason to. That’s without even getting into the handover sheets and facebook.

You can hardly blame the consultants for suspecting her. She was the worst nurse in the world either way-and I don’t believe it was by accident.

I remember there was one mother who said her little girl’s foot is covered in scars because the nurse couldn’t do the procedure correctly and kept injecting her over and over again

Have you ever tried to find a vein on a newborn?
When ds was about 2 months old he needed a bloodtest. They do it at that age in their feet as the best veins.
He went, the nurse did it and he came out again in 10 minutes. Unfortunately they needed a retest, so back we went the next week...
It took 2 paediatricians, and 4 nurses which did include the nurse that had done it the previous week before they managed to get enough blood.

They told me that sometimes happens.

Why does it need countering?

And his foot is covered in scars from it?

Because anyone coming onto this thread who doesn't know much about the case will think her innocence is a foregone conclusion going by some of these replies-it very much isn't!

I am finding this docu very surface level so far.

Dewi Evans' smugness makes my skin crawl

Yes but why does that matter to you? Why are you so exercised by the idea that the evidence is being questioned? How does that impact you personally? It’s clear how people who question the verdict are personally impacted; if this is a miscarriage of justice the implications are huge, but what’s the motivation for someone to spend night after night on here ‘countering’ the new evidence with malicious gossip, unfounded allegations and on occasion ad hominem attacks?

What's wrong with the box? How is the box evidence ?

It isn't. It was standard practice on the unit. I'm surprised that made it into the documentary.

https://nitter.net/RexvsLucyLetby/status/1972319232005161394

Dewi Evan seems utterky compromised to me, whether or not she is guility. He has such an agenda. All the 'metropolitan elite', and Americans/Camdians stuff - expert witnesses are meant to be inpartial!

You do twist absolutely everything and you know you do, and I don't remember you being called a troll before but yet you're permanently wound up and can't just make your counter point without making digs or telling people what they think and why they think it.

You're acting like everyone is ganging up on you now, but it is YOU who constantly starts labelling people and making comments to provoke people, people are simply countering those labels and incorrect assumptions about our own motivations etc that YOU keep making over and over again. Most of us have tried to engage in good faith with you many times, you ask questions, other posters provide you with that information and then you make some stupid attack, each and every time.

Your posts are essentially gaslighting people, you're denying peoples reality, you're telling them 'no, you think this and this is why you think it', and you project your behaviour onto other people and make out it's them that are doing it to you.

It was meant to show the human side of it I think.
I'm only a few minutes in.

Why does anything matter to anyone? Why does anyone here care about a miscarriage of justice-are you all neonatal nurses and it personally affects you somehow? People get passionate about what they believe in and righting something they perceive as a wrong.

I highly doubt anyone involved in the case would be anywhere near this thread.

Yes, pin prick scars. From, well, his foot being pricked... some babies are very difficult to cannulate. And the sicker the babies are, the more blood tests are warranted, and the more difficult it is to do as there are fewer usable veins to prick

Apparently it means that Letby "did something".

Sure sure, yet you can't even see what Lucy is. Doesn't say much about your skills in that area does it.

That is NOT the point. It's how she reacted-she laughed at their shock. They've explained it might've been ok if it was sometime later, not when they're desperately worried about their child for some nurse to come in holding what looks very much like a memory box. Who the fuck LAUGHS in that situation.

They're saying the box itself is evidence, though?

Possibly someone who does it day in, day out and was taken by surprise that the parents thought that their baby was that sick? Given that the parents were left in a room alone for a few hours, it sounds that communication was lacking in general in the maternity unit.

In the immortal words of Liz Hull earlier in the documentary -

"The doctors could find no medical explanation except that Lucy Letby was around".

It's yet another of these retrospective, no complaints at the time, nurse may have been Lucy Letby, anecdotes. A bit of nervous laughter is probably the worst case scenario here.

And there is no way the box constitutes "evidence".

It's yet another of these retrospective, no complaints at the time, nurse may have been Lucy Letby, anecdotes.

Are you saying you think this might not even have been Lucy?

And there is no way the box constitutes "evidence".

Well it probably does if babies collapsed suspiciously and then she was the only one to personally give these boxes to parents afterwards. From what the parents said it's a definite pattern.

She wasn't the only one to give these boxes to parents. It was unit policy. See the link I posted above.

Damn, I should have went and learned from the elite minds over at Tattle instead!!