Lucy Letby - have you changed your mind pt. 5

[Typicalwave]

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Part 4 here - https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/5400564-lucy-letby-have-you-changed-your-mind-thread-4?utm_campaign=thread&utm_medium=app_share

Originally started by @kittybythelighthouse

Stop replying to me in the first place then and repeating stuff you've already said and I already ignored. Trying to wind me up more like.

I think some of you should put yourselves in others shoes for once and realise it's probably quite upsetting for people to constantly hear this woman needs a retrial when you believe the evidence is more than enough. Then after you've wound ME up you accuse me of being a troll. Ugh total clique of bullies.

Might you find it less upsetting if you could imagine that there are people of good faith on both sides of the debate? And that people not agreeing that the case against Lucy Letby has been proved still care about children, parents etc? Is there a risk that you see yourself as fighting a battle against enemies instead of having a conversation?

Really? I suggest you stop accusing people of made up scenarios.

Depends how people go about it. Not calling someone a troll. Talking about this case with people who think the opposite to me only winds me up I can assure you. I think you have to give people a bit of leeway on a subject with multiple threads that they might from time to time repeat themselves or forget what someone said about something.

What have I done now?

So the only way to redeem myself is to prostrate myself on the alter of one woman who had to spend the rest of her life I prison even if I look at the evidence and am not convinced. If I Dobt d tgat I’m just a bad person whos cruel and dishonest? If that’s your yardstick I suggest you take a good long hard look in the mirror - except I know you’re not capable of that.

Spoken like a true manipulator. If I repost what you’ve said I’ll be told it’s not real.

The WHOLE picture looks compketely unconvincing to me.

Understand?

Also it's not a courtroom setting 😅

And we also know that jurors often don't follow judges instructions anyway, some make their minds up on certain things and fixate on that and other instructions are just very hard to actually stick to with a human brain etc.

@Typicalwave
But I agree completely. Even when the whole case is put together it just doesn't convince me.

A free one.

YOU replied to ME - you are so unaware of yourself it hurts.

Why does speaking to people who don’t agree with you wind you up? Do you generally have difficulty understanding that people have different views and are free to express them? Do you have skin in the game regarding this case and her guilt? I don’t really understand why anyone not personally impacted would be so invested in her guilt, whereas if it’s a miscarriage of justice it affects all of us so it’s entirely understandable why people are interested and want the full truth to come out.

Some great points

Still waiting for commentary on how Jay Slater features here, @Firefly1987

The problem is you have to find experts that will go into court and defend her and she had her chance for that. This new panel might be saying all the right things to sway public opinion but I really doubt they'd be putting their careers on the line in court defending her. If they actually did all their theories would soon fall apart under cross examination. Logic says there's a reason she could find no one to defend her at the trial.

Actually I imagine that any member of the expert panel would be prepared to go to court and defend her as I imagine would be a numkber of distinguished statisticians. I imagine that if they actually do all of Dewi's theories will fall apart pretty quickly. In fact I suspect it will be very difficult to find any one else prepared to speak for the CPS on this.

Shop-Lee has been more than prepared to do that.

It seems quite odd for someone claiming they're so invested and know so much more than anyone else to not know that.

I agree - their pick n mix of the facts is quite breathtaking sometimes

Indeed.

I actually don't think firefly is trolling. She has a different opinion to the majority on here and it is looking a bit gang up. She believes ll is guilty and thats fine.Ll is a convicted killer so it isn't crazy what firefly is saying. A lot of it makes sense to me as does info from others. We don't need footballification.

It is nice to discuss even if we agree or disagree. Just some of it is coming across a bit mean.

She accuses peopke who are questioning as disgusting and just wanting Letby freed because she’s ‘pretty’ etc etc.

No matter what one says, she insists she knows one’s motives and mind.

i Think peopld have been pretty reserved, all in all.

I don't get wound up unless people are accusing me of twisting things or being a troll. That's not just disagreeing. Why would anyone have skin in the game for her guilt-she's already in prison. You feel strongly it's a miscarriage of justice, I feel strongly that the view she's some sort of victim in this needs countering.

I suggest you stop twisting peoples words, telling peole what they think or feel, and accusing people of being unpleasant and cruel towards the oarents. bevause they dare to question the verdict

Its quite a simple formula.

Thank you, appreciate this. I'm in good company being made into a villain along with all the consultants, police, Dewi Evans, Sandie Bohin and probably all the other experts just inexplicably ganging up on this poor angelic nurse. So I don't really mind! They don't have the best judgement clearly.

Tgere you go again - putting words into people’s mouths.