Lucy Letby - have you changed your mind pt. 5

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Part 4 here - https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/5400564-lucy-letby-have-you-changed-your-mind-thread-4?utm_campaign=thread&utm_medium=app_share

Originally started by @kittybythelighthouse

Nope. This vid covers baby E's mum in court. The guy doing the video also goes through the controversy over the phone records around 34 mins in.

Forgot to link it!

But even assuming it wasn't out, why would you assume that the one person who said it as an hour later was right and the other people who had recorded it at the time was wrong?

You mean why assume the mum was right about it being earlier? The incident in question with the baby screaming and blood around his mouth happened shortly after 9. No one else was there at that point except LL and the mum. The other times match because Lucy didn't call anyone until after 10 and there was more than one phone call with the dad. So the later one with the dad matches to the other staff. The phone call in question that is disputed is the one at 9:11p.m. Obviously you can't expect the other staff to back that one up as they weren't there then. Hope that makes sense!

But that doesn't explain why the mothers record of interaction with the midwife was an hour out to the midwife's records and the midwife was completely independent to LL as she was on another ward in another department.

It’s been explained to Firefly several times

I know but maybe, just maybe, something will sink in one of these days...............

Did you watch the video?

You mean the later calls were also out by an hour? So the mother said this all happened at 10 and the midwife said 11?

I've also explained several times that there was more than ONE call! The issue at hand is what did or didn't happen at 9:11p.m. The other staff are irrelevant to that.

No, they’re not…it’s the entire point tgat there was more than one call that creates the discrepancy. If there was just tgat ine call immediately after mim left Letby and child E we might no know there was one - it was yhd subsequent call wgere mum stated it was an hour earlier and midwife stated it was an hour later tgat creates the discrepancy - and the other recordings from various staff after that. Only one timeline was consistently ivd hour earlier compared to ate least three other recordings from three different staff - and that recording was based on asking a phone provider to provide times several years later.

Mum built her entire timeline tgat night from tines provided by her phone provider - and the times were consistently an hour out compared to other staff notes

@Typicalwave The phone records confirmed it was 9:11p.m like she thought. But hey we can just add it to the pile of stuff that just so happens to be wrong when it involves anything that makes Lucy look bad.

It might be easier if you explained in bullet points what the times in question are and how they differ to the mother's so we're all on the same page, you know for us thick people...

Here's the timeline - no need for @Typicalwave or anyone else to reinvent the wheel. Mother E's phone records are not compatible with Dr Harkness's notes, or with the midwife's.

https://x.com/JabesAllowed/status/1838561198423343374?lang=ar-x-fm

Smoke and mirrors to distract people from the fact Lucy was there with a screaming bleeding baby doing naff all and fobbing the mother off with a lie. Even if you "win" with discrediting the mother (that twitter twat should be very proud of himself) on the times she still has strong testimony of something awful having just happened to her baby. Lucy denied the whole convo, and agreed she wouldn't have asked the mother to leave under those circumstances. And the mother obviously wouldn't have left otherwise. So it doesn't make sense does it.

I gave you the information you requested.

That's not smoke and mirrors.

Nobody is blaming the mother for any confusion over the times. Why would they?

Are you accusing the midwife of lying then? Is she in on it?

Once again the mothers timeline is the one that doesn’t match

X isn't working for me. What times did the midwife right down? And is it anything to do with the 9.11 phone call?

Sorry about that - does this archived link work? I think the author there has summarized as far as possible.

archive.is/UWSsC

Thanks it does. Will have a read.

So is it the 10.52 call that shows the doubt that its an hour out. Sorry its been a long day. My brain is fried.

I’ve posted the tables that Jabe created to compare the mothers timeline (built from her calling her phone provider several years later for the times of her phone calls to her husband which she testifies to at Thirlwall), and the table created from referencing reporting in yhd Chester standard, frok clinical notes, and fr withess statements from professionals.

if you compare them you can see the discrepancies.

But yes, it’s mainly the 10:52 phone call that cannot possibly have happened at 10:52 because the midwife wasn't called by the NNU until 11:30pm, and mums timeline is built solely upon yhd times of her phone calls that evening.

Thanks so it does look to me that midwife was called at 11.52 and the Mother had it as 11.52.

So even if it was 10.10 when she rang her husband. That could still have happened as the mother said?

No, the mum had calling her husband at 10:52 to say that the NNU had called and said there were issues. This didn't happen until 11:30. Mum says it was 10:52 because that what time her phone company told her the call happened at - it’s an hour out.

So, it follows that all her other call times wouod also be an hour out because all of them are from mim calling up the phone company several years later and asking for the call records.

I meant 10.52 for the Mother. So if she did call her husband at 10.10 she still could have seen the blood and Ll denied this convo?

The only think I’ve seen that’s in dispute is the times - the prosecution made out that Letby waited an entire hour before calling Dr Harkness and falsified her contemporaneous notes and medical records. It’s not in dispute that baby E was bleeding internally. And probably had been for some hours before the first ‘mucky’ bilious aspirate. The blood that mum saw on the upper lip and chin she described as an odd colour that she’d not seen before - it was probably partially digested blood.