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RFK jr says he will reveal cause of autism?

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Parisfranc · 30/08/2025 08:41

Has anyone seen this?

He claims he will reveal what it is in September.

Not sure I believe it to be honest and I have a feeling whatever answer he gives won't be definitive but will blame a whole range of possible things. I've done a Google search for those who haven't heard anything about it and there are lots of articles but I always see people get attacked based on which source they give so don't know which ones to link to?

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pikkumyy77 · 31/08/2025 12:38

Parisfranc · 30/08/2025 09:13

I'm interested to hear what they say.

Part of me thinks well surely they'll figure it out one day, this could be that time. But then I don't trust any part of the American medical industry, they're all corrupt as they come.

RFK J. is, rather obviously, not part if the American Medical establishment. He was put in as head if the dept overseeing oretty much everything in irder to destroy it. He has fired all the scientists who have been working in Autism for the last twenty years. He has terminated multiple programs at the CDC as well as firing top staff.

RFK jr is a well known crank who believes that common illnesses like cancer, autism, depression are the fault of poor genes and has stated (snd believes) that these lives are lesser and if no value. He is a eugenecist who wants a smaller, genetically perfect, society. Hus anti vax beliefs, which he soread to Samoa, led directly to the deaths of 89 children in a measles epidemic as vaccination rates dropped. He has no compunction at repealing all the scientific advancements of the last hundred years.

So: no. He will not reveal the causes of autism.

HerewardtheSleepy · 31/08/2025 13:03

The sum total of what that man knows could be printed on the back of a postage stamp in 2 foot high letters.

Man's a half-wit and the only bigger fools are those who believe anything that comes out of his mouth.

Parisfranc · 31/08/2025 13:17

pikkumyy77 · 31/08/2025 12:38

RFK J. is, rather obviously, not part if the American Medical establishment. He was put in as head if the dept overseeing oretty much everything in irder to destroy it. He has fired all the scientists who have been working in Autism for the last twenty years. He has terminated multiple programs at the CDC as well as firing top staff.

RFK jr is a well known crank who believes that common illnesses like cancer, autism, depression are the fault of poor genes and has stated (snd believes) that these lives are lesser and if no value. He is a eugenecist who wants a smaller, genetically perfect, society. Hus anti vax beliefs, which he soread to Samoa, led directly to the deaths of 89 children in a measles epidemic as vaccination rates dropped. He has no compunction at repealing all the scientific advancements of the last hundred years.

So: no. He will not reveal the causes of autism.

Did you actually look into the reasons why they were fired? It was 100% necessary.

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hamstersarse · 31/08/2025 13:56

pikkumyy77 · 31/08/2025 12:38

RFK J. is, rather obviously, not part if the American Medical establishment. He was put in as head if the dept overseeing oretty much everything in irder to destroy it. He has fired all the scientists who have been working in Autism for the last twenty years. He has terminated multiple programs at the CDC as well as firing top staff.

RFK jr is a well known crank who believes that common illnesses like cancer, autism, depression are the fault of poor genes and has stated (snd believes) that these lives are lesser and if no value. He is a eugenecist who wants a smaller, genetically perfect, society. Hus anti vax beliefs, which he soread to Samoa, led directly to the deaths of 89 children in a measles epidemic as vaccination rates dropped. He has no compunction at repealing all the scientific advancements of the last hundred years.

So: no. He will not reveal the causes of autism.

If you do not think the medical establishments are corrupt, I don't think you have been paying attention.

hamstersarse · 31/08/2025 14:00

CautiousLurker01 · 31/08/2025 12:37

Sorry but that’s an appalling analogy. Thalidamide babies were the result of malpractice and thus preventable - it was caused by extrinsic medical intervention. The evidence is that autism is genetic (as can be seen by its prevalence in my extended family over at least 4 generations, with diverse members born in S Africa, Europe and some from India/Pakistan). Correlation studies suggest that factors such as the age of the father may impact the incidence of autism but in my own families, multi generation experience of autism this is not a factor.

It is very clear looking at biographies, literature and history that autism/neurodiversity appears to have always existed naturally within the population. It is not due to GM foods, pollution (unless there is an as yet unnoted rise in ASD in Victorian Britain or modern day China?), increased UPFs etc - it is now merely better understood and we have tools to identify it (and understand it) that we previously did not.

It is only an appalling analogy if there is absolutely nothing in our environment that is unintentionally causing autism

You, or no one, is currently able to answer that confidently. And RFK is the only politician who is taking any interest in it, yet according to this thread he is Satan. It's bonkers

hamstersarse · 31/08/2025 14:03

RFK jr is a well known crank who believes that common illnesses like cancer, autism, depression are the fault of poor genes and has stated (snd believes) that these lives are lesser and if no value. He is a eugenecist who wants a smaller, genetically perfect, society. Hus anti vax beliefs, which he soread to Samoa, led directly to the deaths of 89 children in a measles epidemic as vaccination rates dropped. He has no compunction at repealing all the scientific advancements of the last hundred years

It's hard to know where to start with this insane rambling. Other than to say, please literally google the Samoa incident, you will find all you need to know about that.

Please do quote where he has said that these lives are of lesser value - direct quote please.

And when you have done that, maybe ask yourself why he has been so smeared and vilified, and then why you fell for it.

flyingsquirrelsagogo · 31/08/2025 14:16

hamstersarse · 31/08/2025 14:03

RFK jr is a well known crank who believes that common illnesses like cancer, autism, depression are the fault of poor genes and has stated (snd believes) that these lives are lesser and if no value. He is a eugenecist who wants a smaller, genetically perfect, society. Hus anti vax beliefs, which he soread to Samoa, led directly to the deaths of 89 children in a measles epidemic as vaccination rates dropped. He has no compunction at repealing all the scientific advancements of the last hundred years

It's hard to know where to start with this insane rambling. Other than to say, please literally google the Samoa incident, you will find all you need to know about that.

Please do quote where he has said that these lives are of lesser value - direct quote please.

And when you have done that, maybe ask yourself why he has been so smeared and vilified, and then why you fell for it.

Are you actually defending RFK jr?

One of the many articles available about the Samoa incident. I’m not sure how this is supposed to show him in a good light?

https://www.thelancet.com/pdfs/journals/lancet/PIIS0140-6736(24)02603-5.pdf

ARichtGoodDram · 31/08/2025 14:19

soupyspoon · 30/08/2025 13:14

Hold on I have just googled this person. This is the son of Bobby Kennedy?

Bloody shameful. Talk about family curse. The state of this!!!

It is indeed the son of Bobby.

Such a gobshite even his own family wouldn't support him when he wanted to make a presidential bid

OddBoots · 31/08/2025 14:20

hamstersarse · 31/08/2025 14:00

It is only an appalling analogy if there is absolutely nothing in our environment that is unintentionally causing autism

You, or no one, is currently able to answer that confidently. And RFK is the only politician who is taking any interest in it, yet according to this thread he is Satan. It's bonkers

Do you honestly believe that if in his investigations he finds that air pollution from fossil fuels plays a part in causing Autism (as suggested by some studies, I am not just plucking something random or contentious) he will make that public?

Incidentally we already know these cause illness and death of children and adults via respiratory illness but no-one seems particularly bothered by that.

Happyher · 31/08/2025 14:26

Mitochondria is his favourite go to word for all ills at the moment. No doubt the fluoride in the water has damaged the mitochondria and the chemtrails have converted it into autism.

Happyher · 31/08/2025 14:38

AmyDuPlantier · 30/08/2025 14:43

You think he’s going to give some unbiased report on the findings??? Please.

Hes a rabidly insane anti-vaxxer, nothing else. You shouldn’t even be approaching this topic from a place of balance because there is NONE to be found in the Trump administration.

I feel like you’re missing a broader point, that he is anti ALL vaccinations basically. When people in the ‘greatest’ country in the world start dying of measles and polio and god knows what else, the American people have no recourse and another 3 years of this rabid insane distruction.

Unsurprisingly his kids have all been vaccinated

Parisfranc · 31/08/2025 15:02

hamstersarse · 31/08/2025 14:00

It is only an appalling analogy if there is absolutely nothing in our environment that is unintentionally causing autism

You, or no one, is currently able to answer that confidently. And RFK is the only politician who is taking any interest in it, yet according to this thread he is Satan. It's bonkers

Honestly I agree.

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soupyspoon · 31/08/2025 15:05

CautiousLurker01 · 31/08/2025 12:21

Not quite - how that criteria is understood and applied is clinically decided by professionals, not PPs on MN.

Being ‘perfectly able to function’ is not the same as the clinical requirement of evidence of ‘significant impairment in social, occupational and other important areas of functioning’ (NAS website). The fact that many of my family struggle in marital/long term relationships (so have multiple divorces and difficult parent/child dynamics), or struggle in workplace relationships such that they often change (lose) jobs means they are impaired… it doesn’t however mean they aren’t brilliant at their jobs or [im]perfectly able to function in chosen careers - it just means there needs to be accommodations made or understanding on the part of employers/work colleagues and romantic partners. An ASD diagnosis should be useful information that enables and facilitates functioning, not a de-limiting cage.

Well then they're not 'perfectly able to function' then are they, it is one of the diagnostic criteria, Ive overseen and supported more ADOS assessments than Ive had hot dinners and I work with clinicians in relation to the children I work with

hamstersarse · 31/08/2025 15:13

flyingsquirrelsagogo · 31/08/2025 14:16

Are you actually defending RFK jr?

One of the many articles available about the Samoa incident. I’m not sure how this is supposed to show him in a good light?

https://www.thelancet.com/pdfs/journals/lancet/PIIS0140-6736(24)02603-5.pdf

If you back to articles at the time, you will see that there was a measles outbreak in Samoa because 2 children died after having the measles vaccination, because nurses accidentally mixed muscle relaxant into the injections. The government then pulled the vaccines and uptake was around 31%. Hence the deaths.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-50625680

Obviously that story has changed over time.

RFK visited Samoa after all this had happened already.

A health professional prepares to vaccinate someone against measles in Auckland

How a wrong injection helped cause Samoa's measles epidemic

Two babies died after being given a wrongly-mixed vaccination - and the effects are still being felt.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-50625680

hamstersarse · 31/08/2025 15:16

OddBoots · 31/08/2025 14:20

Do you honestly believe that if in his investigations he finds that air pollution from fossil fuels plays a part in causing Autism (as suggested by some studies, I am not just plucking something random or contentious) he will make that public?

Incidentally we already know these cause illness and death of children and adults via respiratory illness but no-one seems particularly bothered by that.

Why wouldn't he make it public?
He was instrumental in many cases around pollution and public health prior to his entry into politics (e.g.. cleaning up the Hudson River). He's quite the environmentalist. .

flyingsquirrelsagogo · 31/08/2025 16:20

hamstersarse · 31/08/2025 15:16

Why wouldn't he make it public?
He was instrumental in many cases around pollution and public health prior to his entry into politics (e.g.. cleaning up the Hudson River). He's quite the environmentalist. .

I’ve just had a Quick Look at the Children’s Health Defence website. It’s frankly terrifying.
And when I was looking for it I came across a headline about the diabetic Barbie debacle.
Clearly there are many people out there, including you, that are drinking down RFKjr’s KoolAid.

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/autism/

Autism

Autism rose from 1 in 10,000 in the 1970s to 1 in 36 today. Toxic exposures and the childhood vaccine schedule drive this increase, yet the CDC offers no explanation. Explore more about autism.

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/autism/

hamstersarse · 31/08/2025 16:26

flyingsquirrelsagogo · 31/08/2025 16:20

I’ve just had a Quick Look at the Children’s Health Defence website. It’s frankly terrifying.
And when I was looking for it I came across a headline about the diabetic Barbie debacle.
Clearly there are many people out there, including you, that are drinking down RFKjr’s KoolAid.

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/autism/

You'll have to be more specific about what you are horrified about

Bobbybobbins · 31/08/2025 16:31

My two DC are autistic and have severe learning disabilities. There is no autism or LDs on either side of our families. We were referred to the genetic specialist at our local hospital and they are currently doing a DNA sequencing/investigation to try to find a cause. It is very interesting. Nothing that they have discovered so far.

Notagain75 · 31/08/2025 16:48

hamstersarse · 31/08/2025 13:56

If you do not think the medical establishments are corrupt, I don't think you have been paying attention.

And I think you have probably been listening too much to conspiracy theorists

hamstersarse · 31/08/2025 19:17

Notagain75 · 31/08/2025 16:48

And I think you have probably been listening too much to conspiracy theorists

I don't know how you can say with a straight face that the US healthcare system hasn't been corrupted by bags of cash

Parisfranc · 31/08/2025 19:22

Notagain75 · 31/08/2025 16:48

And I think you have probably been listening too much to conspiracy theorists

Oh come on, big pharma in the USA is just about as corrupt as it's possible to get. In fact, the medical industry as a whole.

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RoseAndGeranium · 31/08/2025 19:48

soupyspoon · 31/08/2025 11:28

A very middle class, well off take on society though. Genteel I think is the phrase

Read Hubbub for a snapshot of what people lived with day to day.

Well, Hubbub is specifically about life in England's pre-industrial cities, I think, but less than a quarter of the population lived in cities prior to the Industrial Revolution. (Then of course the proportion of urban dwellers rose hugely.) Class does of course have a lot to do with what life looks like in Jane Austen novels, and the rural working classes would have had far less privacy in some ways than most people enjoy now within their own homes, but even so most poorer people living in the British countryside would likely have seen far fewer people in a year than someone living in London would now see in a single journey to work. They would largely have dwelt in family groups, with the support and continuity that brings. There would have been no loud music, no rushing traffic, no brightly lit shops, no tv, absolutely nothing remotely like a modern nightclub, no pornography to speak of, a relatively muted colour palate for clothes and home decorations, a scarcity of large social events (and a much greater social tolerance for those who did not enjoy these), no computers, no mobile phones, no social media. So sure, I take your point about Austen offering a pretty rarified view of life, but Hubbub also describes a minority experience. To be clear, I'm not saying that this would have been better of everyone, or that this manner of living inevitably (or ever) produced more tolerant or caring societies. Plainly that's not true, or earlier periods wouldn't have been scarred by witch hunts and tales of hounded village idiots. My point is only that the sensory and social demands of modern life are wildly different from those the human brain evolved to manage, and it is perfectly possible that some of the people we now describe as autistic or suffering from sensory processing issues would have experienced far less difficulty in previous eras. Conversely, plenty of people who now experience high social standing would likely have found life much harder in a period without the sensory stimulus and social opportunities offered today.

Iamthemoom · 06/09/2025 06:52

I can’t see that anyone’s posted this link but apologies if they have. Definitely not what I was expecting but I remember reading years ago that there was a research finding suggesting this and over use of products like calpol in babies and children being a causal factor in relation to adhd. (I was interested as dd has ADD and I never used calpol or anything similar with her and never took painkillers in pregnancy.)

https://apple.news/AVubuoBpGTcSO-fKkYBSZBg

Cause of autism revealed, according to Robert F Kennedy Jr — The Telegraph

Trump’s anti-vax health secretary claims use of Tylenol in pregnancy is behind the disorder

https://apple.news/AVubuoBpGTcSO-fKkYBSZBg

floorpuddles · 06/09/2025 07:42

Iamthemoom · 06/09/2025 06:52

I can’t see that anyone’s posted this link but apologies if they have. Definitely not what I was expecting but I remember reading years ago that there was a research finding suggesting this and over use of products like calpol in babies and children being a causal factor in relation to adhd. (I was interested as dd has ADD and I never used calpol or anything similar with her and never took painkillers in pregnancy.)

https://apple.news/AVubuoBpGTcSO-fKkYBSZBg

Thanks for the link. I really hope he isn’t claiming it’s as ‘open and shut’ as ‘paracetamol when pregnant causes autism!’ 🤦🏽

Re the Calpol thing - is it the Calpol? Or it could be that babies who need more Calpol are more high needs / unsettled / frustrated / sensitive etc, and it’s that aspect of their personality that relates to the eventual diagnosis rather than the paracetamol itself!

Iamthemoom · 06/09/2025 08:01

floorpuddles · 06/09/2025 07:42

Thanks for the link. I really hope he isn’t claiming it’s as ‘open and shut’ as ‘paracetamol when pregnant causes autism!’ 🤦🏽

Re the Calpol thing - is it the Calpol? Or it could be that babies who need more Calpol are more high needs / unsettled / frustrated / sensitive etc, and it’s that aspect of their personality that relates to the eventual diagnosis rather than the paracetamol itself!

I think until we see the research he’s referencing published we won’t know. I don’t think this research is citing calpol, that was something I read a few years ago and I can’t find now (so could well have been on an unreliable source) but your point is a good one.

I’m intrigued to read this research when it’s made public but know I didn’t take paracetamol in pregnancy and dd is ADD so it’s not the cause for her. I’m not diagnosed but definitely have ADD traits and there’s a lot of autism in my family so the genetic link is strong. I wonder about environmental triggers because I know certain foods and additives make DD’s ADD worse.