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RFK jr says he will reveal cause of autism?

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Parisfranc · 30/08/2025 08:41

Has anyone seen this?

He claims he will reveal what it is in September.

Not sure I believe it to be honest and I have a feeling whatever answer he gives won't be definitive but will blame a whole range of possible things. I've done a Google search for those who haven't heard anything about it and there are lots of articles but I always see people get attacked based on which source they give so don't know which ones to link to?

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Perzival · 30/08/2025 10:20

soupyspoon · 30/08/2025 10:15

I think the word genetic is often misunderstood, certainly in discussions Ive heard and read on here in particular anyway

It doesnt mean inherited, it just means your genetic make up, which you are more likely to share of course with your parents or their ancestors.

Its not inherited so to speak in a similar way to eye colour is.

"For example, children in the Broadly Affected group showed the highest proportion of damaging de novo mutations — those not inherited from either parent — while only the Mixed ASD with Developmental Delay group was more likely to carry rare inherited genetic variants. While children in both of these subtypes share some important traits like developmental delays and intellectual disability, these genetic differences suggest distinct mechanisms behind superficially similar clinical presentations. "

I'm very familiar with the language, thanks. Here's a link to an article about it:-

https://www.princeton.edu/news/2025/07/09/major-autism-study-uncovers-biologically-distinct-subtypes-paving-way-precision

Four hands unravel distinct threads from a ball of yarn.

Major autism study uncovers biologically distinct subtypes, paving the way for precision diagnosis and care

The research is a transformative step toward understanding the condition's genetic underpinnings and potential for personalized care.

https://www.princeton.edu/news/2025/07/09/major-autism-study-uncovers-biologically-distinct-subtypes-paving-way-precision

blacksax · 30/08/2025 10:21

He's a conspiracy theorist, an anti-vaccine theorist and a fan of The Orange One.

That tells you all you need to know in order to confirm that whatever he says will be a monumental pile of utter bollocks.

audiehd · 30/08/2025 10:22

I'd be amazed if he comes up with any proof for any reasons besides that which is already accepted: a complex combination of genetics, epigenetics, and environmental factors. When it comes to genetics, we do know several genes which can cause autism already- just not all or even most cases. Epigenetics and pre-birth environmental factors are similarly both numerous and vague, so it's not like there's a definitive list. It's more like a combination of mostly invisible things that raise the chances of somebody being autistic, but no one individual factor causes autism as far as we know,

LimbOnTheBranchBranchOnTheTreeTheTreeInTheBog · 30/08/2025 10:23

He will blame vaccines, or abortions, or women, or women who have had abortions getting their children vaccinated.

I will be taking whatever he says with a very large pinch of salt.

Nevertrustacop · 30/08/2025 10:26

There is no single cause of autism. And people diagnosed with autism do not all have the same condition.
It's like saying there is a single cause of paralysis or tremor or sore throats!

Parisfranc · 30/08/2025 10:28

Nevertrustacop · 30/08/2025 10:26

There is no single cause of autism. And people diagnosed with autism do not all have the same condition.
It's like saying there is a single cause of paralysis or tremor or sore throats!

How do you know that?

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PearlClutzsche · 30/08/2025 10:29

He’s a dangerous idiot. It’s scary that people might actually believe anything he says.

I hope that what he does say does not end up having a detrimental effect on autistic people.

flyingsquirrelsagogo · 30/08/2025 10:29

He made the claim about September ages ago when he was sworn in. Just like everything else he does, there was actual basis for “September” being the month of the big reveal.
He’s an absolute nut-job who’s going to cause huge issues with public health in the US. Like Trump (and Farage) he just says things that people want to hear, with no actual basis in reality.

MustardGlass · 30/08/2025 10:33

I’m sure whatever undoubtedly untrue reasons he comes up with with have a cure that his friends make money off.

soupyspoon · 30/08/2025 10:39

Perzival · 30/08/2025 10:20

"For example, children in the Broadly Affected group showed the highest proportion of damaging de novo mutations — those not inherited from either parent — while only the Mixed ASD with Developmental Delay group was more likely to carry rare inherited genetic variants. While children in both of these subtypes share some important traits like developmental delays and intellectual disability, these genetic differences suggest distinct mechanisms behind superficially similar clinical presentations. "

I'm very familiar with the language, thanks. Here's a link to an article about it:-

https://www.princeton.edu/news/2025/07/09/major-autism-study-uncovers-biologically-distinct-subtypes-paving-way-precision

Im not sure why your reply has to be so snippy, I was making a general chit chat point, in a 'chat' section. A lot of people dont know the difference between inherited conditions and genetic conditions.

A huge area like ND which we dont actually know very much about, despite the human trait to think we do, remains unassessed, mysterious and understanding will change over coming decades, as it already has. What we think we know now, will change considerably. Causes or reasons will become more defined.

AmyDuPlantier · 30/08/2025 10:45

Parisfranc · 30/08/2025 10:13

I think people who automatically dismiss things like this before they've even heard what's to be said have their own agenda.

If they've been researching for decades then surely they'll have a breakthrough eventually.

I'm not saying I trust them or that I'll blindly believe what they come out with, but I'm willing to listen before I come to any conclusions. Especially given that this would be huge and would help millions of people, if true.

You’re willing to listen to a man with literally no medical background, and who also wants rid of all
vaccines based on pure ignorant dogma. Ok then 🤷‍♀️

Wait until kids start dying of measles in their hundreds, then we’ll see what he has to say that’s really been worth waiting for.

RoseAndGeranium · 30/08/2025 10:45

He’s probably going to say either vaccines or consumption of food compromised by additives or pesticides and herbicides during pregnancy and/or infancy. There may just possibly be something in the latter for some cases of autism. I think in the US especially but across the western world more broadly governments have been reckless in their failure properly to regulate the chemicals that make their way into our food. It is not outside the realms of possibility that some of those chemicals or the interactions between them could trigger atypical brain development in utero or produce disruption to development in infants where there is a genetic vulnerability.
However. Not all cases of autism are the same. Recent research that has tied specific genes to some cases of autism appears to have found that different genetic variants produce clearly different autistic profiles (loosely, what would often be termed high functioning, high IQ autism appears to have an identifiably different genetic cause to autism with learning difficulties). Also, where the diagnostic criteria has expanded to include people who cope fine in most circumstances but may find some aspects of modern life challenging the causes, such as they are, are probably best described as natural variation. And the extent to which even a plausible environmental or biological contributor (which RFK JR’s may not anyway be) might affect each of those different ‘types’ of autism will likely vary. Tl;dr dunno but probably somewhere between outright snake oil and highly dubious and reliant on a dodgy definition of autism.

RandomlyGeneratedTriad · 30/08/2025 10:50

Parisfranc · 30/08/2025 10:28

How do you know that?

Because autism is explicitly defined in terms of a cluster of symptoms, not in terms of a named biological pathway that produces those symptoms.

There is no particular a priori reason to imagine that there will be a single cause of those symptom clusters -- especially since there is such a very wide range of presentations which meet the parameters for diagnosis.

My own experience of autism is my son's condition. He was diagnosed with autism and also with schizophrenia. Like autism, schizophrenia is defined in terms of symptoms and there is no reliably evidenced single pathway to the symptoms.

I found it hard to believe that he had two entirely distinct conditions. It seemed much more realistic to hypothesise that one of the several causes of autism was also one of the several causes of schizophrenia - and that (in the fullness of time) research might reveal this distinct pathway to illness and thereby separate it from other pathways towards the symptom clusters of each condition.

Hoppinggreen · 30/08/2025 10:55

Autism Linked With DNA Our Ancestors Inherited From Neanderthals : ScienceAlert

It seems that being ND used to be advantageous, it was the world that changed

Perzival · 30/08/2025 10:56

soupyspoon · 30/08/2025 10:39

Im not sure why your reply has to be so snippy, I was making a general chit chat point, in a 'chat' section. A lot of people dont know the difference between inherited conditions and genetic conditions.

A huge area like ND which we dont actually know very much about, despite the human trait to think we do, remains unassessed, mysterious and understanding will change over coming decades, as it already has. What we think we know now, will change considerably. Causes or reasons will become more defined.

You made a veiled comment and I replied in kind.

Tiredofwhataboutery · 30/08/2025 11:06

Surely autism is caused by lots of different things, genetics, biological factors and the environment.

I do think that microplastics are having a massive impact. They did a study on men’s and pet dogs testicles and found microplastics in all of them. It’s been hypothesised that it is causing men to have lower sperm counts and also poorer quality sperm which increases risks of ASD.

Apparently microplastics have been found in human breast milk and blood too. This is a really interesting paper that said I don’t think there is a single cause more there’s a multitude of factors.

Tiredofwhataboutery · 30/08/2025 11:07

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160412022000472?via%3Dihub

Paper about how microplastics in pre / post natal development increase ASD risks.

smallglassbottle · 30/08/2025 11:12

Mumofteenandtween · 30/08/2025 09:53

Evolution presumably.

Cave people needed someone in their group who was willing to obsess over the fire and make sure it didn’t go out. They also needed someone who never got tired and so was willing to chase the antelope (or whatever cave people ate) and catch it so they could all eat. And they needed neurotypical people who were able to do all the other things that cave people did.

And so cave groups that survived and flourished and reproduced were those that had a mix of neurotypical and neurodiverse people in.

(Note I don’t know much about cave people so I am a bit making this up but evolution works by rewarding the people who are able to survive and reproduce. Therefore as neurodiversity exists in such high numbers it must have been necessary for survival.)

They found a link between neurodivergence and Neanderthal genes, which we all have in varying percentages. Neanderthal genes also cause some physical problems which many ND people experience. I have a relatively high Neanderthal percentage, have adhd and autism and some related health problems.

Pinkissmart · 30/08/2025 11:32

RandomlyGeneratedTriad · 30/08/2025 08:47

Wow. I'm counting down the minutes. My bet is on uncontrolled immigration.

Apparently in October he's revealing the identity of Jack the Ripper. November is the solution to the mystery of the Marie Celeste

JFK is American

larkstar · 30/08/2025 11:34

@Parisfranc "Not sure..."!! FFS

Some days it feels like I'm surrounded by people who are still at the stage where they're banging rocks together to make fire - people who hold strong opinions on science yet don't know the difference between an atom and a molecule, the difference between energy and force, the difference between a scientific law and a scientific theory (it's not understood in the same way we use the words "law" and "theory" in everyday life - I have yearly debates with the Jehovah's Witnesses about such things.)

I think one of the problems of our time is with the wildly different quality of the information we consume and our innate tendency to only read those with which we already agree. People pick information sources they agree with regardless of their correct information content. This distills out some groups where most circulating information is simply based on belief and wishful thinking rather than facts. The main problem of especially American society nowadays is "I don't like it, therefore it is not true". Or, as Isaac Asimov put it a few decades ago,

"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge".

Start with some BBC Sounds podcasts on RFK Jr et at.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0lbhjjw

RFK has views that frequently contradict established scientific consensus, particularly in areas of public health, infectious disease and vaccine safety, His rejection of germ theory and promotion of disproven claims - have raised serious concerns among scientists, health officials, law makers and many Americans about his fitness to direct health policy in the US; he's a dangerous idiot.

Tortoise Investigates - Dr Anti-vax - 3. The movement - BBC Sounds

RFK Jr emerges as a new figurehead of the anti-vax movement.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0lbhjjw

Parisfranc · 30/08/2025 11:41

larkstar · 30/08/2025 11:34

@Parisfranc "Not sure..."!! FFS

Some days it feels like I'm surrounded by people who are still at the stage where they're banging rocks together to make fire - people who hold strong opinions on science yet don't know the difference between an atom and a molecule, the difference between energy and force, the difference between a scientific law and a scientific theory (it's not understood in the same way we use the words "law" and "theory" in everyday life - I have yearly debates with the Jehovah's Witnesses about such things.)

I think one of the problems of our time is with the wildly different quality of the information we consume and our innate tendency to only read those with which we already agree. People pick information sources they agree with regardless of their correct information content. This distills out some groups where most circulating information is simply based on belief and wishful thinking rather than facts. The main problem of especially American society nowadays is "I don't like it, therefore it is not true". Or, as Isaac Asimov put it a few decades ago,

"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge".

Start with some BBC Sounds podcasts on RFK Jr et at.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0lbhjjw

RFK has views that frequently contradict established scientific consensus, particularly in areas of public health, infectious disease and vaccine safety, His rejection of germ theory and promotion of disproven claims - have raised serious concerns among scientists, health officials, law makers and many Americans about his fitness to direct health policy in the US; he's a dangerous idiot.

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Not everyone is a scientist. You come across extremely patronising and your post just comes across as some sort of "I'm so smart and everyone else is an uneducated fool" brag.

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BertieBotts · 30/08/2025 11:59

curious79 · 30/08/2025 09:56

he will release data and investigations so far and what predominantly points towards the causes. Yes, you can do that. It'll almost certainly point towards multiple hypothesised causes.

Why is he hiding them then? And exactly, there are already multiple hypothesised causes so there is not likely to be anything significant to reveal.

Research which creates data and investigations is already in the public domain, or ought to be. And yes, of course we will get closer to answers to these complex questions over time, probably slowly and in bits and pieces. Just like today for example we have much more sophisticated prenatal testing for various genetic disorders, that didn't just get "released" suddenly one day, it was bits and pieces of research and small studies and testing groups, and then large clinical trials until it was found to be accurate and useful enough to be licensed for general use. Then you get premium clinics and so on offering these things for a high price and slowly as the patents run out or more labs/clinics get access to the tools, it becomes more widely available, affordable and covered by health insurance companies (and then usually last of all adopted by orgs like NHS, because they have a high bar for evidence before they accept anything).

I just think the idea that something can be "released" in a big reveal, like it's the latest model of iPhone, is hype and propaganda.

smallglassbottle · 30/08/2025 12:11

He'll probably say it's due to not voting Republican and that the Democrat voters are spreading the autisms around the US and they should be sent to San Salvadore or something 😂

Or perhaps it's due to undercooked french fries. Whatever it is, we know it's going to be crazy and conspiracy related.

BertieBotts · 30/08/2025 12:28

Mumofteenandtween · 30/08/2025 09:53

Evolution presumably.

Cave people needed someone in their group who was willing to obsess over the fire and make sure it didn’t go out. They also needed someone who never got tired and so was willing to chase the antelope (or whatever cave people ate) and catch it so they could all eat. And they needed neurotypical people who were able to do all the other things that cave people did.

And so cave groups that survived and flourished and reproduced were those that had a mix of neurotypical and neurodiverse people in.

(Note I don’t know much about cave people so I am a bit making this up but evolution works by rewarding the people who are able to survive and reproduce. Therefore as neurodiversity exists in such high numbers it must have been necessary for survival.)

Lovely though this theory is (I know it appeals to lots of people) this is actually quite unlikely. The same gets said about ADHD. But there are plenty of genetically inherited tendencies which are not necessarily advantageous from a POV of survival, such as poor eyesight, being born deaf, or conditions which exist on a recessive gene line like Cystic Fibrosis (a lung disease) or Hemophilia (blood does not clot). Natural selection is not really something which actively looks for the best traits for survival, it's more the other way around, that anyone with a trait which makes them more likely to die before they can reproduce is less likely to pass on their genes.

There are also lots of things which are basically irrelevant to your chances of survival which are passed on genetically, such as hair/eye colour, and small things which can "go wrong" during the passing on of DNA and genetics - I went to school with a boy who was born with 6 fingers on one hand. The extra finger was removed in an operation when he was a toddler. One of my sons was born with hypospadias - his urethra is positioned slightly differently on the penis making his foreskin look different, although everything works fine. These kinds of things happen all the time (nobody in either of our families has hypospadias) and are generally put down to minor genetic mutations. More significant genetic mutations either in the egg or sperm most likely cause an embryo/zygote to be rejected by the body either before implantation (ie, a period) or after implantation (ie, a miscarriage), and this happens more as people get older. That's what I understood from a lot of reading I did about genetics/fertility after having 2 early miscarriages myself. Apparently about 80-90% of the time you have sex within your fertile period, the egg will be fertilised, but then the vast majority of these get rejected by the woman's body before it even implants, which is why any fertile cycle has roughly a 20% chance of successful conception.

It seems that a lot of the genes involved in neurodivergent conditions are essentially recessive, as in a person can have several markers for autism/ADHD but not actually have an autism/ADHD diagnosis themselves, they don't meet criteria. Then if you have more, you might have more extreme symptoms and meet the criteria. This is part of why it's common that some people in a family have autism/ADHD and some people in the family don't.

Autism and ADHD are rare enough that they probably aren't something which natural selection is selecting for. Remember that a certain amount of genetic diversity is also advantageous because if our gene pool gets too small, that also creates problems (ie inbreeding). So natural selection is not really screening out smaller differences like hair colour, ND conditions, extra fingers, skill propensities and so on.

There are also de novo (new mutation) cases of many of the genetic markers we have found, and we haven't found all of the genetic markers yet.

If anything, I would imagine that ADHD/ASD would have a very slight propensity towards dying before reproduction because of the higher chance of accidents particularly in young children. And some autistic people would not be obsessive about keeping a fire going but rather be fascinated by the fire and unable to understand that it will hurt them.

But in the majority, it is more likely that these are simply genetic traits which are not "bad enough" to get screened out by natural selection, and/or so prolific that they continue despite the effects of natural selection because enough of the related genetic material was passed on.

I do agree with the sentiment that neurodiversity can be beneficial in society and in general, we should work with and celebrate people's unique strengths rather than trying to catalogue weaknesses, although I think the cataloguing of weaknesses so they can be supported is also helpful, so I'm going to be annoying and sit on a fence there!

Nousernamesleftatall · 30/08/2025 12:31

Heavy metal toxicity in the brain.