Lucy Letby - have you changed your mind thread 4

[MistressoftheDarkSide]

With thanks to the original poster @kittybythelighthouse and @Tidalwave for continuing the discussion.

Ha, I'm a "Goth" by style and subculture, and my roll call of close personal tragedy / bereavement is eye wateringly high.

If I was accused of a serious crime I reckon they'd skip straight to the witch burning just to be on the safe side 🤣

To be fair it would save an awful lot of public money (was that a tad too dark 🫣)

Oh darling, as the song goes, "if you want it darker. .." 😉

Actually there have been attempts within the legal system to fast track conviction and punishment, leading to appallingly long sentences for crimes that would normally merit much shorter ones, basedvon shoddy "profiling" and people effectively being denied any form of defence before fines etc land on their doorstep. A reduction of mitigation in general. More regressive policies designed to allegedly take pressure of the system and therefore save money.

https://prisonreformtrust.org.uk/project/imprisonment-for-public-protection-ipp/

No longer in effect, but some people are still incarcerated, and there's a high proportion of the vulnerable amongst that number. There have also been related suicides.

https://www.thejusticegap.com/miscarriages-of-justice-are-arising-from-fundamentally-unfair-fast-track-prosecutions/

And this tends to impact the vulnerable disproportionately also.

I ran to Apple Music.

New favourite song - unlocked.

Your second paragraph sound like it’s straight out of a dystopian.

Where are we headed? We don’t seem to learn from history.

I think we're at a period of history where everything is moving so fast, we are having difficulty marrying up the "progress" with our capacity to adapt to it and reframe our systems to reflect it.

The Lucy Letby case is highlighting in an unprecedented fashion that our justice system has many baked in pitfalls.

Generally speaking, because the powerful enjoy their status and the benefits it brings they are resistant to see the collateral damage as they seek more ways to preserve their position. It was ever thus of course but the technological revolution speeding across our lives is beyond our historical understanding as it's on no way comparable to the industrial revolution.

The main difference is that mechanised weaving looms didn't have the capacity to literally talk back and get into our heads. Which us why when things like AI are being used in our systems I get the dystopian chills when there's talk of "predictive" profiling etc. There are too many variables and too little understanding of the technology - which is also driven by humans with agendas.

And on that Dystopian note, I have to move bookshelves..... I'll be back.....

I may be wrong here because I’ve shied away for quite some time in the name of self preservation, but I do believe some local authorities are using AI to profile families already.

@GingerPower the thread is going to fill up. If you want to discuss the points I raised in answer to you I’m happy to do so in dms!

That’s unless someone is willing to create thread number 5 😂😂

Oh go on, you know you want to…😀

Thats how you volunteer. The baton is now yours 😂

Wasn't the contacting the parents bit that she sent a card to one of the bereaved parents with quite inappropriate wording? Apologies if I have misremembered.

No, that didn’t happen. She sent a perfectly normal card to parents (via another nurse) when she was working and couldn’t attend the funeral she had been invited to.

There was also a tabloid spin about one of the notes she left, which had notes about all kinds of everything written on it, being a “draft sympathy card”. There’s no evidence whatsoever to support that framing.

New thread https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/5407031-lucy-letby-have-you-changed-your-mind-pt-5?utm_campaign=thread&utm_medium=app_share

I still have no idea whether he's right or whether a baby can naturally have insulin levels 40x the norm but without the peptide levels that would usually be associated with natural insulin.

@GingerPower - or the test was wrong - as was the quality control test performed shortly afterwards