Lucy Letby - have you changed your mind thread 4

[MistressoftheDarkSide]

With thanks to the original poster @kittybythelighthouse and @Tidalwave for continuing the discussion.

Well they were right if the celeb was later convicted of sexual misconduct then weren't they?!

@Firefly1987- you certainly did wuestion how anyone could argue with what was said in court.

Anx you’ve previously implied that what is said must be true.

You clearly don’t understand, at all.

No - that’s the opposite of what I mean.

I don’t mean that posters state that they feel something is off about a celebrity who is later convicted. I mean once someone is convicted of a crime, whether that’s a celebrity or just ‘someone you know’ people start to put all sorts of interpretations and theories about past behaviour.

No one likes feeling that they’ve been fooled or misled, so people claim they ‘always knew’ or ‘there was always something odd.’ Often, there wasn’t. Huw Edwards for instance - probably one of the most respected people out there until his conviction, but threads on here insist and insist they ‘always knew.’

Honestly, I don’t think there anything awful in ‘you’ll never guess what’s happened.’ It entirely depends on the tone and it could be ‘said’ in a shocked, upset, stunned, distressed way. It doesn’t have to be ‘gossipy.’ But being a gossip isn’t the same as a murderer for one. a lot of people hanging on to the trial with baited breath and screaming in delight at the convictions are worse IMO than ‘you’ll never guess what’s happened’; much worse.

I've already provided all this. There were at least two complaints against her from parents. You just dismiss it as people looking back in hindsight.

Why did one parent consider asking her to be a godmother?

People with personality disorders such as Lucy are very charming. Honestly some of you guys are ripe for being taken advantage of if you think everyone who presents themselves as a good person and gets close to their victim is innocent. Wasn't Beverly Allitt asked to be godmother by one of her victims parents also? 🤔so not sure you want to use that as proof!

Er no, it's literally what Nicola Lightfoot said happened. Why are you denying this?

I know what you meant. There are red flags with people though so who knows if they saw them all along or just said that later when it all came out.

But being a gossip isn’t the same as a murderer for one. a lot of people hanging on to the trial with baited breath and screaming in delight at the convictions are worse IMO than ‘you’ll never guess what’s happened’; much worse.

We're talking about the deaths of babies here, how can you think it's ok to treat it as gossip?!

You’re really selecting little bits of posts here @Firefly1987 and it is a bit frustrating.

Firstly, I don’t even think it’s gossip. It could be gossip; it depends on the tone and the context.

It isn’t OK if so but there’s an enormous grey space between ‘that was inappropriate’ and ‘that means you are the worse serial killer of children in recorded history.

I have seen many people follow the trial and the convictions and respond delightedly to the convictions when Letby was found guilty. Not really any better. They didn’t murder babies, though. (INO, neither did Letby.)

Yup. Forgot about that.

I don’t fibd it particularly compelling.

evidence please. Show us these formal complaints.

It isn’t OK if so but there’s an enormous grey space between ‘that was inappropriate’ and ‘that means you are the worse serial killer of children in recorded history.

Sure and someone who shows a pattern of extreme misogyny might not go on to rape or murder a woman, but then again he also might.

I have seen many people follow the trial and the convictions and respond delightedly to the convictions when Letby was found guilty. Not really any better. They didn’t murder babies, though. (INO, neither did Letby.)

Well they're happy she's facing justice for her crimes, pretty obvious I would've thought. After the absolute trauma of the trial it's about the best outcome you could hope for. How is that remotely similar?

Trauma of the trial my arse. Enjoying the drama of it more like. Just as LL has been accused of.

‘But then again her also might…’

What are you advocating for? We look at people for traits we think we see and then imprison them just in case they may go on to offend?And I thought Minority report was dystopian.

Also, when was Lucy diagnosed with a personality disorder @Firefly1987? By whom?

So basically you'll explain all Lucy's behaviour away but someone glad she was found guilty is a monster? OK then. BTW I'd have to see video evidence of this "delight" or else it's just your interpretation. Works both ways.

I meant the reading out of court transcripts is a true representation of what happened in court. I wasn't talking about whether what the prosecution said was true or not.

You have previously implied that what the prosecution presented as being true.

And you were called out on it at the time.

I can't remember the last time I heard of a murderer being diagnosed with a personality disorder (not that I've been keeping track) yet most of them probably do. You'd certainly have to have one to attack and kill vulnerable babies. Perhaps she has privately been diagnosed but it hasn't been made public because she's still 100% culpable so it wouldn't make a difference. It's just incredibly obvious she has one, even aside from her convictions.

Tell me you don't know anyone with personality disorder without ..... you know the rest 🙄

So that’s a ‘no’ then.

You THINK she has one.

That’s it.

Oh you do? So tell me all about them then? But you won't.

Were you really born in 1987?

No I didn’t think you were! Just clarifying.

Where on earth are you getting this from?

Okay, so what was your point?

Doesn't diminish my point that those that have personality disorders (ASPD or NPD) are charming and capable of putting on an act. Beverley Allitt did the same thing. So it proves nothing saying oh they wanted to make her godmother. That's why you have to be aware of people like that and not fall for the poor victim routine they want you to believe.