Why are governments putting women and girls at higher risk of sex crimes?

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Fact: Hundreds of thousands of men are entering Europe (as in the continent), from countries where women and girls are second class citizens.
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Fact: The sex crime rate statistics associated with different nationalities living in the UK have been published. An example is provided below.
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….the [sex crime] rates, based on convictions per 10,000 of the population put Afghans, with 77 convictions, at the top with a rate of 59 per 10,000 – 22.3 times that of Britons.
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They were followed by Eritreans, who accounted for 59 convictions at a rate of 53.6 per 10,000 of their population.
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Britons accounted for 12,619 sex offence convictions, representing a rate of 2.66 per per 10,000 of their population in England and Wales.
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https://archive.md/6AXAy Archive version
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Fact: This example data blows up any erroneous claims from people suggesting that British men commit more sex crimes when numbers in the population are accounted for / are more likely to commit a sex crime.
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There’s above is factual data. It is not racist to provide it. To claim this, is quite simply, wrong. Perhaps it’s projection, the mind boggles.

To want ‘no debate’ and bleet on with incorrectly placed accusations of racism, is to shut down people’s valid concerns.

Tin hat on for the people who want no debate on this issue, and instead of protecting women and girls, insist on protecting men from countries where women and girls are treated as second class citizens.

More data has been promised.
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Well, I live in Australia where we don’t have hordes of refugees stampeding in and guess what? We still have increasing numbers of women dying at the hands of violent men. There has been a lot of debate about it here.

Even in my DD’s circle there has been a murder and the young male very specifically and methodically selected a woman after having been influenced by nasty stuff on the internet.

In the West, there is even now starting to be debate among men on whether women should be allowed to vote. I would not have believed this 5 years ago. But here we are.

That book is by the woman who gave a key lecture at the heritage foundation, the think tank behind Trump, MAGA and project 25.

I look at the harm this has caused is America and want no part in Britain.

I'll miss that book thanks.

You get obscure hard right authors having their books flogged on mumsnet and wonder why people think posters aren't genuine.

How do you even find that shit if you don't go looking for it?

I thought advertising was banned on here. @BeckyAMumsnet?

Exactly. Ayaan Hirsi Ali is far from an unbiased rational source.

So let's get some high quality data on predisposition to crime first. Then let's put in place some tough legislation to deport those committing crime (and while we're at it,do better on the vast majority of sexual crimes committed by white British men). But let's not use discriminatory language to tar an entire ethnic group with the same brush, because that is racist.

OP, you can go on and on about it, but the fact remains that the data you presented is distorted and inaccurate. Admitting that it is deeply flawed would improve the discussion no end.

She’s not that obscure. She’s been a public figure for decades at this point. You may accuse her of opportunism, but I think she’s genuine and her activism comes from a very personal perspective.

A personal perspective with alternative facts and inaccuracies

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/aug/27/the-immigration-problem-that-really-concerns-me-us-celebrities

Well, I live in Australia where we don’t have hordes of refugees stampeding in and guess what? We still have increasing numbers of women dying at the hands of violent men.

Yes. VAWG is a scandal in plain sight happening across the world. Approx 3 women every 2 weeks are killed by a man, in the UK. No one is denying home grown vawg is horrific. We don’t need more of it, we already have enough.

And yes I feel sorry for women in Australia - where the high court has ruled that men can be women. So a ‘woman’ doesn’t seem to exist at all. Another patriarchal calamity.

She says things that people don’t like. They can’t cancel her though. She speaks sense.

She may well be genuine. Her views may be sincerely held. Doesn't mean she's right. People are quoting her here as if she is the final authority on the issues being discussed, though.

@IwasatClaines that is really disturbing. I am sorry about your DD's friend.

I have no issue with you kicking them out … but don’t send them back to the US 😆

Outrageous! Bloody immigrants.

I love how privileged white female westerners think they know more than a person who, isn’t. Disgusting, actually.

Granted I don’t really know who is on the internet, none of us do. But I expect it’s an accurate assumption.

The statistical analysis used by Sky does not ‘tie itself in knots’. The primary tool is age adjustment, one of the simplest and most widely accepted of all techniques.

Middle Eastern and African males who have sought asylum in the UK are largely concentrated in the same narrow age band as those who commit most sexual offences. In contrast, British males are well represented across the full span of age bands. This dilutes the data on British sexual crimes as reported by the Telegraph and others.

The statistics were picking out an age group as much as anything. You need to compare statistics for both age and ethnicity to get good data.

The analysis was provided by the Office of National Statistics. ONS do not stitch anything up.

Context matters, though. Align yourself with an ultra conservative misogynist movement and you will lose credibility. And rightly so. If you aren't concerned about Project 2025, you're no friend to women.

The obvious question is, then, why import young men from these countries? Since you agree already that they DO pose a higher risk than older people/women. And we can discuss this point without even going into some of the problematic aspects of their culture

No one has said that, but I wondered how long it would be before that accusation was flung around along with some insults.

Ayaan Hirsi Ali has plenty of opponents amongst the Muslim community. Are the Australian Muslim women mentioned in this article "disgusting"?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/04/ayaan-hirsi-ali-says-australian-opponents-carrying-water-for-radical-islamists

Because they have the same right to flee war and seek asylum as anyone else. Honestly, what a question to ask.

Because if you decide you want to support refugees, why not support the most vulnerable and least problematic? Why import the very sex and age range that exhibits the most violence? It’s crazypants

Who is importing anyone?

This has already been explained ad nauseam earlier in the thread. It boils down to: the men go on ahead, and when they get asylum they bring their families across.

If you aren’t deporting them … then essentially that’s what you are doing.

Why do you assume people who support refugees do not support the most vulnerable?

One does not exclude the other

And again, 'import'?

You have a strange notion of 'importing people'

As for deporting, where to and how? El Salvador, Alligator Alcatraz like the US?
Back to a country where they risk torture and death?

I have to say, men will probably be very safe in Afghanistan.