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Mumofteenandtween · 20/08/2025 07:55

Cheese55 · 20/08/2025 07:38

I can see both sides of the surrogate debate. I agree with separating baby from mother is traumatic but isn't the baby usually bio mother egg and doner sperm/ partner sperm? In which case you would say 'I wanted you but mummy's body was broken so someone else had to grow you...or something much better!

You mean….,

'I wanted you but mummy's body was broken so someone else had to grow you and although I knew that that would cause you severe trauma to be separated at birth from the only mother you have ever known I decided that my wants were more important than avoiding trauma for you.”

WhatNoRaisins · 20/08/2025 07:55

Is having a baby by a surrogate just the new adopting a baby from abroad trend for celebrities?

Radionowhere · 20/08/2025 07:58

I have much sympathy for infertility, but not after three children, that's just life. Surrogacy is gross. We leave puppies and kittens with their mothers for longer.

SouthernFashionista · 20/08/2025 07:59

It is utterly wrong and essentially buying a baby. I am infuriated that it is gradually being normalised. Shameful.

ChateauMargaux · 20/08/2025 07:59

Deliberately inflicting the trauma of separation from the mother shortly after birth on a baby, is a cruel thing to do, in order to satisfy the wishes of an adult. Even if the baby is not genetically related to the mother (but this brings more risks), the genes of the mother and baby mix, the gestation and birth process includes elements that are designed to create a bond between mother and baby. We know that babies who are separated from their mothers after birth, suffer physically and emotionally but in cases of medically necessity, the harm is justified by improvements in overall outcome (sometimes it is better to keep mother and baby together, even in difficult circumstances), but deliberatly inflicting this harm is unforgivable in my opinion.

Freysimo · 20/08/2025 08:03

Mustbethat · 19/08/2025 21:27

I suppose at least she’s acknowledged the woman that put her body and life at risk. So many seem to pretend that the surrogate evaporates after the birth and never existed- looking at you, Tom Daley.

we do need to bring surrogates into the light and show they are real people with real risks, with family they risk leaving and the reason they do it. Currently they’re faceless ghosts no one considers or even thinks about the harm they face.

Still don’t agree with it though. Can’t image any reason anyone would need to put another person’s life at risk for a 4th child.

Trans ally Tom certainly knew what a woman was when he rented a womb.

Enterthewolves · 20/08/2025 08:03

Is it definitely surrogacy? Open adoption is much more common in the USA - could it have been an adoption? She doesn’t use the word surrogacy - that’s the reporter. (Clutching at straws…)

Mrsmunchofmunchington · 20/08/2025 08:05

I think surrogacy is utterly abhorrent.

It is exploitation of women and exploitation of children.

Selfish, thoughtless, entitled fuckers buying babies.

There is NEVER a good enough reason to do this.

ClunkyPigeon · 20/08/2025 08:05

WhatNoRaisins · 20/08/2025 07:55

Is having a baby by a surrogate just the new adopting a baby from abroad trend for celebrities?

This. And hopefully soon it will have the same stigma.

I think it will be very interesting in the next decade or so, when these children get social media and start tiktoking about their lives. We all already know the trauma, but we haven’t seen it played out publicly across a generation.

Bryantpark · 20/08/2025 08:06

Hmm, I should tell my dad that he probably has serious ptsd and trauma from when his mother died the same day she gave birth to him. My grandad then remarried when my dad was 2 and this 2nd wife (my grandma) raised him.

He's fine by the way, he was told that he wasn't biologically related to his mum when he was 7. No problems at all.

I personally don't agree with surrogacy but to say that all babies that are separated from their birth mothers will have problems is just wrong.

WhiteNoiseBlur · 20/08/2025 08:14

Nobody walked to Christine’s house with a gun and forced her to carry someone else’s baby. Totally her choice, made with detached emotions. I think adoption is much sadder personally.

Cheese55 · 20/08/2025 08:15

Also, in UK , the baby isn't paid for, the surrogates time and risk is. Its not the same as buying a baby, which I'm not sure actually happens anywhere.

Rubyupbeat · 20/08/2025 08:17

I don't agree with surrogacy, although hands up, I don't know the extremes I would go to if I hadn't have got pregnant so easily (not her excuse, having 3 already)
Just out of curiosity how do people feel about a family member carrying the baby for said person? No money involved.
I personally could never do it, no matter how desperate that person was. Carrying a child for 9 months, that baby would be mine.....in my heart anyway.

ClunkyPigeon · 20/08/2025 08:20

WhiteNoiseBlur · 20/08/2025 08:14

Nobody walked to Christine’s house with a gun and forced her to carry someone else’s baby. Totally her choice, made with detached emotions. I think adoption is much sadder personally.

Ah yes, we’ve always needed guns to make women think their only worth or way forward is through selling their body.

Regardless, there ARE women being forced into labour (literally) and altruistic and celebrity surrogacy just legitimises it and makes it harder for truly desperate women who are being exploited and abused.

And that’s before you consider the impact on the baby.

FanofLeaves · 20/08/2025 08:20

Bryantpark · 20/08/2025 08:06

Hmm, I should tell my dad that he probably has serious ptsd and trauma from when his mother died the same day she gave birth to him. My grandad then remarried when my dad was 2 and this 2nd wife (my grandma) raised him.

He's fine by the way, he was told that he wasn't biologically related to his mum when he was 7. No problems at all.

I personally don't agree with surrogacy but to say that all babies that are separated from their birth mothers will have problems is just wrong.

‘No problems at all’ ?!

Quite possibly either problems you didn’t know about or unidentified issues that flew under the radar as it was before a time where people were adequately able to approach and deal with trauma. Although I’m sure he just got on with it as many do.

OnlyFoolsnMothers · 20/08/2025 08:24

Utterly ridiculous- she’s 44 with kids already, you just accept that your reproductive years are gone. Guess celebrities want they want and don’t like to hear no. Vile baby trading.

DancingNotDrowning · 20/08/2025 08:25

Had an interesting conversation with American colleagues recently - we have a mutual ex colleague who wasn’t there but had a baby by surrogacy.

I mentioned surrogacy was not well regarded in Europe and many women were very uncomfortable with it conceptually. People went from WTF to oh I get it very quickly. None of them had ever been invited to think critically about the consequences of surrogacy and once they did their reactions were quite something.

Bryantpark · 20/08/2025 08:25

FanofLeaves · 20/08/2025 08:20

‘No problems at all’ ?!

Quite possibly either problems you didn’t know about or unidentified issues that flew under the radar as it was before a time where people were adequately able to approach and deal with trauma. Although I’m sure he just got on with it as many do.

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Sorry yes you're quite right, I forgot you know him personally 🙄

Cheese55 · 20/08/2025 08:26

I agree that employing a surrogate abroad from a poor background is exploitative, in the UK , I'm not so sure. You wouldn't be accepted by an agency if you weren't doing it for altruistic reasons. Its not a job for those without money behind them as you'll be expected to not do paid work I would of thought

ArmchairXpert · 20/08/2025 08:27

Waitingfordoggo · 19/08/2025 21:11

Of course it was by choice @caityvh! No one forced her to enlist another woman to have a baby for her. Women in their 40s who already have three children very much have the choice not to have more children- it’s a choice that many of us make.

I realise that you meant ‘no choice’ as in- unable to now become pregnant and carry a healthy baby to term. And that’s because of her age. That’s what happens to all of us.

Exactly this.
The world is mad.

ArmchairXpert · 20/08/2025 08:28

Cheese55 · 20/08/2025 08:26

I agree that employing a surrogate abroad from a poor background is exploitative, in the UK , I'm not so sure. You wouldn't be accepted by an agency if you weren't doing it for altruistic reasons. Its not a job for those without money behind them as you'll be expected to not do paid work I would of thought

It's about the children. That is ultimately why it is always wrong.

mumofoneAloneandwell · 20/08/2025 08:30

I'm pretty woke. But my 'unwokest' opinion?

Surrogacy is awful and financially vulnerable women are preyed on for the benefit of the rich.

This is the same as trafficking someone for organ donation.

Shame on Michelle.

Methefurious · 20/08/2025 08:31

WhiteNoiseBlur · 20/08/2025 08:14

Nobody walked to Christine’s house with a gun and forced her to carry someone else’s baby. Totally her choice, made with detached emotions. I think adoption is much sadder personally.

In the US surrogates are paid, do you not think womens choices may be influenced by this? I dont mean in a shallow way to enable them to buy designer bags and shoes.

Summerhillsquare · 20/08/2025 08:35

Crushed23 · 19/08/2025 21:43

Should I be allowed to birth a child for money? What if I wanted to help an infertile relative, or friends who are a gay couple and want a child who is generally related to them? I don’t understand why people have such an issue with consensual surrogacy. My body, my choice.

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Because a child is a person, and they have rights as well.

Meandmyguy · 20/08/2025 08:37

I know a man in his early 20's who was a sperm donor baby and it has damaged him so much.