Katie Price and Peter Andre

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So , the news came out this week that apparently Peter has had custody of Princess and Junior for a long time . I see that now it’s a new hate campaign against Katie. But , I just can not shake the feeling that Peter Andre is not a nice person.

I have felt it for a while , I watched all their shows and he was horrible to her and I read her books ( admittedly , we don’t know what is the truth and it is only one side of the story ) but something about him I just find unsettling. He has stayed quiet , which people seem to think shows he is the better person. But , I think he knows that it will and that is the only reason he’s done that. I also do not feel comfortable with his marriage, the way it started. Emily is his friends daughter , a big age gap, he already had 2 children and she was training to be a doctor but now barely practices .. of course , it could well be her choice as she can afford to stay at home and look after the children and she could be very happy but just the way he treated Katie and the way it all came about something feels off .

I am not massively pro Katie - she has made a LOT of bad choices …. But she’s also a businesswoman who made a lot of money doing what she does , provides for her children and has raised - and continues to raise - a severely disabled son and she clearly adores him whilst his Dad doesn’t care and Peter also appears to have forgotten about him.

Im sure this thread will have 2 clear sides , interested to hear peoples views

That doesn't prove anything. I have a few diagnoses and one of them has never been mentioned on hospital letters.

People say she’s a “good Mum”

Harvey had autism. He is disabled. He is black. She brings him to a night club for £6000 appearance fee, and £10 per person to get a photo with him. He is also blind, so he will likely have heightened sensitivity with his hearing. Drinks are 75p. Who in their right mind could condone with and not see an issue with this? If this was a girl there would be (rightly) utter outrage.

She is a dreadful Mum! She is putting £ well before her son’s well being.

I’ll say it again. He has autism. This reminds me of pimping someone out because of their appeal.

Awful awful awful.

She should be ashamed

It pisses me off how everyone hates Katie and how she’s this and she’s that, yes she’s made mistakes as loads of people do, no one is perfect? It’s clear she suffers with mental health 100% everyone deals with depression, anxiety and trauma differently whether it’s the right way or the wrong way doesn’t mean she is a shit person. Not everyone can cope with things in life and sometimes can take the slippery slope downwards, if she wasn’t a celeb then no one would know of her wrong doings etc but because she is it’s all publicised and then everyone slags her off! As princess says in her programme her mum has taken responsibility for her past actions and is trying to correct them, lots of people are in denial about their wrong doings but at least Katie has apologised to her children and is trying to sort herself out, I’ve read her biography’s and I can honestly say I feel for the woman she’s been through ALOT she was very young when she had Harvey and the sperm donor left her to it, I couldn’t imagine the stress and the worries of bringing up a disabled child alone, she was sexually abused, there was hi jack in Africa it all contributes to someone’s mental health, as for Peter the blokes a wanker 100% he contributed to her going on a downwards spiral same with that other prick Kieran men don’t understand the long term damage they can cause a woman with emotional and mental abuse, I can imagine Peter being a right prick in real life and behind closed doors but he likes to put on an act just so he don’t look like the bad guy typical narcissist behaviour!

"neglected and sexually abused"

How is this "well known"?
Source?
Public domain?
Conjecture/speculation?
That's a very serious allegation that is libellous on a written website if it cannot be proven.

So where does it end? Are we going to Ok it if Harvey or any of the other kids turn I to abusive arseholes and use Katie as an excuse?

Only on MN could PA come out as the worse one.

Exactly, she didn’t give a toss about the stability and well being of any of her children, just men for her narc supply. As for those clips on TikToks that show PA being an arse they must be edited as I remember watching it at the time and she was far worse to him, by the end he was nasty but he’d been in a toxic relationship so long. Perhaps some of these people need to watch the earlier full episodes and see how living with someone like Katie changes you to be nasty back. As for Harvey care workers say she barely visits. Are people that stupid PA divorced 15 years lives a normal stable life taken responsibility for the kids paid for their private education. Katie’s other kids went to Dad then the Granny, they’ve got significant issues according to reports Jett not at school, Bunny attention seeking on lives.

A good mother gives their children time to adjust and doesn’t have a revolving door of Essex boys coming into the home. She would also look after the property and pay her bills. This is basic adult stuff. As someone who’s Father died of addiction, to blame the other parent or to say they’re a good parent is incredibly insulting. The child will love the Mother but she and anyone with a brain cell will know they were neglected as their mother’s sex life, drug taking or surgical whims were her main priority. Not anyone else. I wish people would stop defending her.

Well then we might as well let all criminals go.free and absolve everyone from any wrong doing whatsoever.

We will say they are all lovely people despite any.evidence to the contrary. They are just victims who cant help themselves.

I think people find it hard to accept, in fact I'd say that society actually rejects the idea that trauma (especially trauma originating in childhood, where the brain is very malleable and sensitive to stress and makes hardwire changes to adapt and cope) is more likely to produce people that are not nice.

People reserve sympathy for 'nice' victims of abuse and trauma. Nice sexual assault victims. Nice child abuse victims. Nice survivors of domestic violence. Nice victims of child trafficking. Even people who have experienced awful things, but managed to an extent to get their lives together will themselves throw other people who have gone through similar things as they have, under the bus, by saying things like: 'well I experienced XYZ and I don't do ABC' as if it's something they had 100% control over and those who haven't responded like them can just snap out of it.

When in fact, there are so many external and internal factors, some genetic, that result in one person reacting in less immediately destructive ways than another in response to trauma and the truth is it would actually be perfectly normal to go through trauma and not come out 'nice' but rather emerge with some life long problematic behaviours and personality adaptations that mean you can be a rather unpleasant person to be around. Perfectly normal. Addictions being perhaps the number one most stereotypical maladaptive coping mechanism, as it is essentially self-medicating and self-soothing.

A second would be extreme promiscuity and inability to be sexually faithful. Ulrika Johnson for e.g. spoke very candidly of her sexual behaviour being very influenced by her father's totally inappropriate sexually liberal behaviour that he didn't shield her from growing up. She found it very hard to be sexually faithful in a relationship. But she did eventually seek help.

Low self esteem and hinging the source of one's self-esteem not on looking after others or other prosocial behaviours, but on being seen to be attractive and adored is another. For women that often includes seeking male validation and sexual attention. A lot of severe childhood neglect cases are the result of a parent simply receiving zero dopamine from looking after the child, but a lot from dating different men, socialising, wearing nice clothes etc. So if the choice is going out, dressing up, getting drinks and meeting a guy and having sex or staying in with a demanding baby, they'll choose the former.

It takes them massive effort to get the same high from attending to their children consistently. They might struggle through doing so in an ad hoc way. But it's hard because it actually drains them. For people who would rather not eat themselves, if it meant their kids wouldn't go hungry, or would never dream of leaving their kids alone week after week to get attention, or prioritise sleeping with a man even if the kids are in the house and would be aware, it's very difficult to get their head around this. That's because their esteem is to a larger degree attached to looking after their children well.

So perhaps both views are correct. You can look at a self destructive person and think, but underneath this, is a nice inner person who very few people ever get a glimpse of, a person who occasionally shines through, but mostly buried under trauma

Or you can say: I see it, I understand it, I have sympathy for it, but I cannot be around such a person because they do many horrible things that are not nice and are ultimately destructive.

What do you mean “saw fit “ ? This is a social media platform where people post about what they want to . There is no rule to say you can’t post something if people are talking about it on another thread. What an odd comment.

If you aren’t interested then don’t comment .

Ah mumsnet, where a woman acting badly is a victim playing out her trauma and everyone makes mistakes, and a man acting badly is an abusive narcissist who needs to 100% own his behaviour. You gotta love it.

I agree I found it horiffic an 11 year old child couldn’t speak to her dad, and instead had to cry herself to sleep. Poor princess my heart breaks for her.

Firstly , I will say this post wasn’t a “ Katie is amazing “ post . I do think she gets a lot of hate and she is not as bad as people make it out but the main point of the post was about Peter.

However, I have to say I have never heard about this ( the article about Harvey ) and I think it’s disgusting. I am all for him being able to , and supported to , make his own money. That general idea , I wholeheartedly support.

But this , is wrong. Firstly, I question how he felt about this and if he could make an informed decision to do it - I work with severely autistic young people , I also am the parent of a young person with autism , and I know that none of my students could ever make an informed decision about something like this . It must have been so busy and loud which is just the worst situation for an autistic individual to be in but then you add in the fact he is also visually impaired and it’s even worse !

What makes it worse is how the public - the internet - perceive Harvey. It is diabolical how he is made fun of. The way people make memes and Tik toks about him . The way people say his phrases ( the whole “ what a day “ thing especially makes me sad because it should actually be celebrated that he was communications his feelings and instead it’s just a big joke ) so to have him in a club with people drinking and taking selfies with him breaks my heart - it’s not because people think he’s inspiring because of how he deals with everything life throws at him , recognising him as an individual- but it’s because it’s funny to them . How many people will have posted this on social media with captions of his phrases thinking it’s all a big joke.

That has made me so angry , I have never seen this before and whilst it doesn’t change my views on Peter , this has seriously made me question my feelings on Katie.

In this day and age how was this allowed. It actually breaks my heart. I am a massive advocate for disabled individuals, my work is driven by the passion to make a difference and support people with disabilities to access opportunities we all have and be recognised as the amazing individuals they are , rather than being defined and stereotyped by their conditions and this goes against everything I believe in.

I feel so extremely angry and sad at this .

This is a list someone has compiled of her offences

Driving & Motoring Offences

2003–2012 – Multiple traffic convictions: speeding, phone use, failure to stop/respond. Fines, penalty points, and repeated bans.

2015 – Convicted for running a red light.

2018 – 6-month ban for points; later caught driving while disqualified.

2019 – 18-month ban after failing to identify driver.

Sept 2021 – Guilty of drink-driving while banned and uninsured; sentenced to 16 weeks (suspended), 2-year ban, rehab, unpaid work.

May 2022 – Guilty of breaching restraining order; sentenced to community service and costs.

2023 – Caught driving without licence/insurance; car seized.

Mar 2024 – Convicted again for driving without licence/insurance; fined £1,852.

Financial / Bankruptcy

2019 – Declared bankrupt for first time.Feb 2024 – Declared bankrupt again (HMRC £760k tax debt); 40% of income ordered to trustees.

Jul–Aug 2024 – Arrest warrant issued after missing bankruptcy hearing; arrested at Heathrow; ordered to court.

Restraining Orders

2019 – 5-year restraining order after abusing ex-husband Kieran Hayler’s partner at school.

2022 – Breached that restraining order with abusive messages; guilty, sentenced to unpaid work.

Animal Welfare Controversies

2017 – Horse killed on the road

2018 - Dog "Queenie" killed on the road. Chameleon killed after the heater turned off while she went on holiday.

2020 - Alsatian “Sparkle” killed in traffic accident after escaping property. French bulldog puppy “Rolo” suffocated in accident at home; RSPCA investigated.

2022 – Dog "sharon" killed on the road. Petition (>24k signatures) launched to ban her from owning pets due to repeated animal deaths/incidents.

2023 - Dog "blade" killed on the road.

There are also numerous other pets that were killed or given away when they are no longer young.

How anyone can say she is a lovely person, misunderstood baffles me. She has had 4 children taken out of her care. Any other thread on here with a mum saying 4 children were removed from her care would be ripped to pieces and yet a lot feel sorry for her. Just a joke.

I confess to knowing nothing about their situations. I never watched their shows so haven't seen any of the "him being horrible to her" stories.

All I go on is his current relationship. I listened to an interview with Emily on Happy Mum, Happy Baby and, if there is any truth in his past behaviour, it would seem that he is a changed man.

She is an NHS doctor and so are both her parents. He seems to have very much been adopted by all of them and I can't imagine, especially given her age when she first met him, that they'd have been very supportive of the relationship if he wasn't a nice guy.

Katie, meanwhile, has had a string of disastrous, failed relationships where subsequent children have also been taken away from her and her ex and put into the care of the paternal grandparents.

Yes, narcissistic men can be very manipulative and convincing, but there's one common denominator in all of these relationships and it's not Peter.

Am I wrong for seeing the night club thing differently?

Harvey is disabled, yes.

But Harvey is also still a young man, and who knows, (since we're not with him) might actually yearn to do activities young people his age do. To be around girls. It might be incredibly frustrating for him that he can never have those things

To be around girls, go to a club, meet people

His disabilities are so severe he couldn't do it safely on his own, so his mother arranged and set up the entire thing for him. He appears to be drinking soft drinks, not alcohol. He has pictures with some pretty girls and it seems from the pictures that everyone was making a fuss of him.

I might be wrong but it seems the intention was to give him something close to a normal night out. We can have opinions but we do not know Harvey. He still has a personality.

That shallow and nasty people on the net may make fun of him is on them. Trolls will troll. Perhaps he also receives nice comments and appreciates those.

I honestly don't know, but giving him the chance to earn some money, I don't see why he shouldn't be allowed that because of his disabilities.

We are assuming he is totally oblivious and has no wants of his own. He could have wanted this. He has a brother and a sister who live lives in the limelight and might go to clubs I don't know.

Happy to be corrected, but I can see to a degree the other side.

I agree with you entirely. Obviously other things have been going on in the background too for Princess and Junior to have been in Peter's care for years. Emily talks of them very fondly in her interview and mentions what good kids they are.

How Katie has not ended up in prison at any point with all of that list of things behind her, I don't know.

A bit like Amy Winehouse, if the news broke about her dying at an unreasonably young age, I wouldn't be in the least bit surprised. I know that sounds awful.

Katie Price actually showed a photo of his diagnoses on a letter on her social media. No PWS listed at all.

She's had four children taken away from her.
This isn't some media backlash a la Taylor Swift. KP is clearly every bit as bad as she makes out and worse.

Her use of Harvey to get herself attention and money is utterly damnable.

Yeah how does that fit with the "Peter Andre is a controlling narcissist"? Surely if he was he'd over-rule Emily's wishes to keep their children's faces covered.

Everyone knows Katie is a mess, there's no denying.

But PA is a slimy little toad who is desperate to come across a nice guy. Makes my skin crawl. I fully remember him being emotionally abusive to her in plain sight on their TV show. Even when I was a teen it felt awful, yet so slyly done.
He wanted a sex symbol to reignite his one hit wonder career then was shocked she wasn't fawning over him as a housewife.
No wonder he married a young, compliant woman afterwards.

Tell me you don’t understand trauma, neurodiversity and mental illness without telling me you don’t understand trauma, neurodiversity and mental illness.

often these are not horrible people, they however end up doing bad things for a whole host of complicated reasons. Few people are really evil.

no one thinks that Katie is the pinnacle of motherhood that we should all base ourselves on. But she is a product of her past, I do not believe she is an evil person, but she is messed up and misguided.

You found that horrific but can gloss over all the things mentioned on this thread about Katie’s appalling lifestyle and behaviour?
Perhaps Princess not feeling able to talk to her father was less of a failing on his part but more to do with her wanting to protect her mother’s already tarnished reputation? And because she’d found a way of handling it but that Peter’s (understandable) reaction to what may have been going on might have, in her young eyes, might have made it seem even worse.

The thing is though even if she has all these things she has still caused a lot of hurt and behaved terribly

I had a terrible upbringing. As an adult I had an affair. I was called evil for it. I regret my actions 1000%. I'm in therapy. But my childhood doesn't excuse my actions. I should have sought to improve myself before I hurt people.

I had a bit of a crappy childhood myself but have led a very normal adult life. Nothing about Katie’s life has been normal and how she is is the result of that. Also some people have more capacity than others for coping.

Yes and IIRC the document was to do with his behaviour around food and his weight gain, so it would have been included as relevant.
God, some people are reaching hard to excuse her on here, aren’t they?
Is it Peter’s fault all those driving bans too? And the dead animals? And the dubious trips to Ibiza and Dubai? The “I love coke” video? And the vexatious allegations against Husband no 3 that turned out to be baseless? What about the revenge porn against Husband 2, which she excused in Court by saying, “that’s what you get when you cross me.”
Yeah. Really nice woman.
“Oh, But Peeeter!!!!”