Katie Price and Peter Andre

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So , the news came out this week that apparently Peter has had custody of Princess and Junior for a long time . I see that now it’s a new hate campaign against Katie. But , I just can not shake the feeling that Peter Andre is not a nice person.

I have felt it for a while , I watched all their shows and he was horrible to her and I read her books ( admittedly , we don’t know what is the truth and it is only one side of the story ) but something about him I just find unsettling. He has stayed quiet , which people seem to think shows he is the better person. But , I think he knows that it will and that is the only reason he’s done that. I also do not feel comfortable with his marriage, the way it started. Emily is his friends daughter , a big age gap, he already had 2 children and she was training to be a doctor but now barely practices .. of course , it could well be her choice as she can afford to stay at home and look after the children and she could be very happy but just the way he treated Katie and the way it all came about something feels off .

I am not massively pro Katie - she has made a LOT of bad choices …. But she’s also a businesswoman who made a lot of money doing what she does , provides for her children and has raised - and continues to raise - a severely disabled son and she clearly adores him whilst his Dad doesn’t care and Peter also appears to have forgotten about him.

Im sure this thread will have 2 clear sides , interested to hear peoples views

He's hardly 'talked shit' - he's corrected a lie she's been telling for years. Anyone would want to correct that and he's done well to stay quiet for so long.
If she dies from cosmetic surgery that would be sad for the people who care about her but would be entirely her own fault.

Love by itself it not enough for parenting.

It has been known for many years that SS removed her children because they were neglected and sexually abused. There are lots of well known reasons why KP has such poor mental health but her children need to be protected.

PA may also not be a great guy but he hasn’t abused his children.

I worked in a setting attended by Harvey when he was a small child when Katie Price and Peter André were married. Peter André attended every appointment with Harvey and was genuinely a loving, caring and very patient father figure to him. He was very low key and decent with staff and other parents/service users alike.

I never watched any of their reality shows or paid much attention to either KP or PA before or since but he seemed like a decent person at that time in that setting when there were no cameras or press around.

I think she's perfectly capable of throwing herself under the bus. And has done so. Many many times. Andre is just a man. No better or worse than many of the men we all know. He is in showbiz and everyone in that field has to build a likeable image, which can come across as fake to the rest of us because it is. But in their world it is professionalism. KP is more in the reality world, which is different. I should think that he is sick of her talking about him all the time, as she does with all her exes. She is obsessed.

She had her mental health issues long before she met him, but it was concealed by her youth. This is a woman who publicly declared that she had relieved a young man of his virginity while she was pregnant with Harvey (PA wasn't on the scene then). When she was younger she loved to cause "outrage"

And how can someone keep silent to bolster their nice guy image when keeping silent means that their ex can say whatever the hell she wants about him with him having no comeback? I am usually one of the people who is quite hard on men on this forum, but fair is fair.

Katie price lost custody of four of her children that speaks volumes of her parenting. She also exploits poor Harvey by making him do club appearances and has him on cameo. This is not ok.

She has no drivers license due to being banned from flipping her car whilst high on drugs.

She has killed an insane amount of animals due to neglect.

I couldn’t care less if I like Peter Andre or not but he’s a good father. That’s what matters.

I couldn’t care less if I like Katie Price or not but she is not a good mother. That’s what matters.

Those of us who watched whole episodes (sad, I know) saw her being absolutely horrible to him, pushing and pushing at his weak spots, tipping him over the edge. There was one episode where she ridiculed him so much and got him so agitated that it was difficult to watch. It was as though she was pushing him into a mental breakdown. The other people in the show were very sympathetic to him and the producers stepped in to comfort him. I feel that her PR campaign has succeeded in making him a "bad guy" It's awful.

And, like many abusive people, she can't leave him alone. She still has to have the control even though they have not been together for a long time. Even this recent revelation of his is caused by her goading him. He probably would have taken the information to the grave if she had left well alone.

Finally, whether he is a "saint" or "sinner" the thing that i give him most props for is that he stepped in and took his children out of her awful living conditions and provided stability and care. It isn't enough to say you love your kids. Love has to be backed up by action.

BabyCatFace - Unless you've had access to Harvey's medical records how could you know he doesn't have Prader Willi Syndrome.

Maybe neither of them are great, but out of the two Katie is less ‘great’. Her behaviour around her children and family pets was awful, and she always seems to put herself first. Hooking up with men and putting them first. Always seeing her on holidays with whichever bf she was with, but very rarely saw her on a family holiday with the children. In her early years she was pretty and ‘normal’, and is now a characture of ridicule - face after multiple surgeries looks terrible and her breast enlargements are totally out of proportion to the rest of her body. It’s sad. I don’t think Pete is perfect, and he pronbably has his own demons, but I think the way Junior and Princess are now (lovely interview on Morning TV last week) is totally down to the influence in their life of Pete and Emily.

That the prefrontal cortex continues to develop into ones twenties is true. That doesn't mean an 18 year old cannot be considered mature enough to make decisions, however refinement and maturity in decision making increases with age, and so certain huge decisions like choosing a soul mate may be better made with age. Is there a definitive cut of for this process at 25? Due to the variance between individuals probably not for everyone, it may be as late as 30 in some and earlier in others.

A man nearly two decades older choosing to date a girl fresh out of university is likely attracted to the very fact that there's a 'gap' in mature decision making.

When I was in the buds of my youth, given half the chance, I probably would have fallen head long into a relationship with a very high profile worldly man with money. I was very attracted to older men at that time in my life. Bored by boys my age. I would have galloped into that relationship, not thinking too deeply about whether I would be short changed by dating a man who already had children of his own (instead feeling I was lucky) not thinking about whether his career in the spotlight was an example I wanted for my future children, or thinking about the ramifications of also being in the spotlight and having our lives talked about for evermore by strangers, or thinking about the drama of his ex, or having to become a stepmother, or who he chose as his first wife and what it said about him. I would have been bowled over by the sorts of things he could show me and the high quality experiences I would have as his girlfriend, and the sex probably would have felt incredible to me.

10 years older , presented with the same prospect and I daresay the entire situation would receive much deeper cognitive analysis where I more appropriately weighed up all those things.

Not that I would be in the running at that age, because that's not what a man who dates a woman much younger than himself is after. He wants to be adored, and he wants to be in control and he wants a woman on his arm who always looks complimentary and attractive.

Fwiw I am all for younger women dating older men and learning from them, especially intelligent ones. But although it can work it is built on a certain dynamic and there's no denying that.

Without knowing either of them personally, it is difficult to make out that Peter Andre is anything other than the stable parent in the situation. Saying there is a campaign against Katie Price is implying that she is being tricked into drink-driving, and into neglecting her children, her home and her animals.

She has never been able to put her children's interests above her own, and that in itself shows the person she is.

I am sure she has had significant trauma in her life, but that is not uncommon, and whilst it can explain why she is like this, it cannot excuse it - otherwise every traumatised youngster would grow up to act this way, and they don't.

Leaving aside the multiple dead pets, there's the appalling driving record, it's only luck the woman hasn't killed someone yet.

I disagree with you. I'm not saying that he's perfect, but there is no 'hate campaign' against Katie. Don't forget that she doesn't have custody of her younger two, either, plus all the animals who have come to bad ends under her 'care'. Plus her multiple driving offenses. She's really not a victim here.

I am always staggered by the amount of support KP gets on here I believe in part it’s because she’s a woman.

Her failures as a mother is well documented I think Princess and Junior saw awful things in that mucky Mansion. And we know about Bunny trying to make her own food on Xmas day because her mother was to wasted.

The harassment and abuse of Kieron’s girlfriend. The revenge Porn act she committed against Alex Reid - and she still hasn’t paid him damages.

Her driving record she should be in jail.

The neglect and abuse of the animals- she should be in jail.

With regard to PA I can’t believe he’s made out to be the abusive one. She was the abuser if he spoke badly to her he was giving as good as he got. He could have thrown KP under the bus years ago but has clearly chosen to stay quiet. Has she ? Numerous interviews, podcasts. Does no one remember the book her mum wrote about her ex’s? Why on earth would you allow your mum to write those things about the fathers of your children.

She’s a horrible woman.

See, this is the thing that people don't seem to get about her. The fact that she is a mum is used to boost her "sexy" image. I don't quite get it, but I am aware of how she used to cleverly exploit that desire which exists in some quarters. I think it might be something to do with the contrast between being an earth mother and raunchy, but I have always been aware that she is playing around with this,.

Katie Price is actually a pioneer. She was one of the first glamour models to cross over into the mainstream and thereby contributed to the "pornification" of mainstream culture. You don't really hear the term glamour model anymore because the role is so normalised in our culture. This has not been a positive thing for women, especially the young.

Uurgh Peter Andre is a complete fame whore/narcissist IMO. Any way he could grab the attention on Princesses show he did. Saying how he hadn't wanted her on SM but she went on anyway and he didn't stop her - yeah great parenting Pete. It's like he was trying to show how he's a great parent (by not wanting her on SM) while also simultaneously being responsible for her huge popularity (because he didn't stop her).

Back when Junior was 3 he had him kissing a waitress on the lips for his show so he could demonstrate how his progeny was gods gift to women - at 3 years old! Pretending he couldn't believe it, while it was clearly all set up/encouraged by him in an otherwise empty restaurant. It was totally gross. He also didn't seem to take the kids anywhere without the nanny, they were like props for his show that he could then dump on the nanny once they'd done their turn.

Katie has always been a car crash really, she didn't have a great childhood and that combined with ADHD has caused her umpteen issues. I feel quite sorry for her, but she really has spiralled and spiralled. She really could do with just living the quiet life on her own for a good while.

It's Princess and Junior I really feel for though. Peter and Emily's kids are obviously having completely different lives to theirs. Pete isn't parading them all over the media getting them kissing waitresses on the lips at 3 years old for his tv show is he? I'm not surprised Emily doesn't work much, she wants to make sure her kids are raised better I'm sure. I hope P and J are able to go on to have stable and happy adulthoods despite their car crash parents.

He is definitely slimy, she is definitely damaged. Equally awful people.

Also if he genuinely thought his children were in danger of any kind living with their mother then he is a terrible father. They were separated for almost 10 years before he took her to court for custody of the children - 10 YEARS!!!
I wouldn't wait 10 minutes if I felt my children were at risk. So what's his excuse for allowing them to be raised in a damaging environment?

He's always been self serving and is 100% a narc, but so is she! They were a mirror of each other and quite frankly deserved each other...their poor kids deserve better than both of them.

His statement reeks of "woe is me, but look how great I am" - if he had any real desire to protect his children he would have fought for them the second he left and would still be keeping his mouth shut whilst they try to start their own careers. That in itself proves he isn't as great as he tries to make out - I'd be keeping my kids week away from the industry if I were him...everything that could be thrown at them due to who their parents are - not even nearly worth that risk.

Let's be real, his management had him do it to keep him relevant. He doesn't do anything without their say so and he's always about his "image"....far more than he's ever really been about his children.

I wonder what KP would have to do before people stop saying 'yeah but Peter Andre...'

She is a disgrace.

It’s just odd how the “bad things” about Pete is that he married a younger woman and is ott in his hello /okay interviews about his good parenting. He is just a lightweight performer-he probably would have had sane success in tv world now after the jungle without her (ie sone work on the competition section on itv)

she had convictions for drink and drug driving. Bankruptcy a few times? Animals dying? Revenge porn civil actions (for data protection breaches I think). Kids taken away. She needs jailing.

it seems bizarre that anyone thinks they are both as bad as the other.

Get on tattle. He has various diagnoses but not that. He also has symptoms that are incompatible with PWS.

Yes in a way she has contributed to the normalisation of things like Only Fans being seen as a valid career path for young women today.

He’s painting the picture that he’s maintained a dignified silence until now, when in reality he wouldn’t have been able to talk about the court order until the children turned 18.

What she is doing with Harvey in that photo is sexual abuse in my opinion.

I know someone who has worked with both and they say Peter is great. KP?....not so much.

I've followed her since the beginning and at one time felt very sorry for her but not now. She doesn't give a shit about the animals in her care and poor Harvey is plastered on her sm posts regularly, the poor lad has no capacity, who does that to a vulnerable adult? My mum has dementia and therefore no capacity, I wouldn't dream of parading her on any any sm platform.

Katie has had years to clean up her act but she is sadly beyond help, the child welfare system obviously recognises this, if not she would have full custody of all her kids.

How anyone can defend someone who has neglected their children and has such disrespect for animals is beyond me.

Princess and Junior appear to be level headed young adults and I doubt that's down to Katie's input.

It's not illegal to tell anyone you want to that your children live with you. It's illegal to publish any documents from the proceedings and could be illegal for a famous person to refer to court proceedings because it would automatically make the children identifiable but there is no reason he couldn't have said that junior and princess live with him at any point.

This is a brilliant post.
Makes complete sense 👏