Grotesque, greedy, gullible, graceless, gaslighting, gormless, god-forsaken grifter - Trump thread #147

[Spandauer]

Desperately seeking that Peace Prize.
May have to settle for the Hero of the Russian Federation award. Bigly sad.

Previous thread:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/5372669-still-dancing-the-tariff-tango-vlad-and-bibi-still-playing-him-like-a-fiddle-and-epsteins-list-must-be-written-in-invisible-ink-trump-thread-146

God is that all? It feels like much longer. Hortman and her husband killed; the Hoffmans and their daughter survived. And he had a list of nigh 70 people in his vehicle.

So much horror.

And her husband Mark.

Senator Hoffman and his wife were shot 17 times by the same man but survived.

Bigly's ordered flags half mast at WH. Did he pay the same respect to Melissa Hortman?

I'm hearing a lot of platitudes. When someone who believes that violence is the answer, stating that deaths resulting from lax gun control are a price worth paying, we should not be surprised if someone takes him at his word.

There's still a few posts to go to fill the thread but I've got an early start tomorrow so I'll leave this new thread here for laters.

NEW THREAD when needed...
www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/5408426-on-and-on-and-on-it-goes-trump-thread-148

Thoughts and prayers.

I just hope that this guy doesn't become a martyr.

Also, conspiracy theory time: seems like the shooter was a skilled sniper. False flag operation?

Trump must be highly alarmed at the way things are going with the Epstein issue, he'll surely want to use this to create the biggest distraction possible.

Yep, this will not do Trump any harm whatsoever.
I suppose he couldn't use Hortmans death to increase security as that would have meant acknowledging that she mattered.

Well, he had to go then. Cui bono ?

There's always a war somewhere. That's never gone badly.

Saw this

The USA is cursed. It’s as if it was built on the site of an Indian burial ground.

Ouch!

Funny. But true.

Also sad.

"Only when the last tree has been cut down, the last fish been caught, and the last stream poisoned, will we realize we cannot eat money."

• Native American Proverb

No suspect (s) have been identified yet and it reads like there's a raggle taggle group of agents from various security forces not being adequately organised or employed in the search for the assailant.

Is this an appropriate time to point out that the FBI is now run by 2 podcasters and a murderer will probably escape because they purged all the competent people from the FBI, DHS, and ATF.

Just last month the FBI forced out its top agent in Salt Lake City, a Pakistani American woman whom a former FBI agent describes as a “legendary case agent who was involved in some of the most significant national security cases of the last two decades.”
www.msnbc.com/opinion/analysis/fbi-women-minorities-job-losses-kash-patel-rcna222988

Kash Patel was busy sending out statements that they had the suspect in custody last night.

Latest from NYT

The authorities said Thursday morning that they had new leads in their search for the person who shot pre-eminent right wing youth activist Charlie Kirk: a weapon, footprints and video footage.

Robert Bohls, the special agent in charge of the F.B.I.’s Salt Lake City office, said that the gun that was used to kill Charlie Kirk was a “high-powered bolt-action rifle,” adding that it had been found in a wooded area in a neighborhood near the campus.

That person suspected of shooting Mr. Kirk arrived on campus shorty before noon and used a stairway to make his way to a rooftop, according to Beau Mason, the commissioner of the Utah Department of Public Safety. After the shooting, he added, the person jumped from the roof and fled into a nearby neighborhood.

But no suspects were in custody more than 12 hours after Mr. Kirk, a close ally of President Trump and the founder of a prominent conservative youth activist group, was shot while speaking to students at Utah Valley University.

The F.B.I. released the man its director had said was a subject of the investigation.
...
Kash Patel, the F.B.I. director, had stoked expectations of a fast end to the search on Wednesday when he congratulated officials for taking into custody “the subject for the horrific shooting today.” Then he backtracked, saying on social media that the person had been released and the investigation would continue. Another person who was detained immediately after the attack was also determined not to be the shooter.

Further updates:
The suspect in the shooting “appears to be of college age,” according to Beau Mason, the commissioner of Utah’s Department of Public Safety. “We are confident in our abilities to track that individual,” he adds in a news conference, saying that investigators have been able to spot the gunman in video footage taken yesterday.

Investigators have other evidence that could help them identify and track down the killer, the special agent in charge of the F.B.I.’s Salt Lake City field office said in a news conference. That evidence includes a palm imprint, a forearm imprint and a “footwear impression.”

125 yards with a hunting rifle is not outside the bounds of normal skill

125 yards? Is that all it was?

From a prone position, absent any wind and on a (literally) sitting target even I could have done that once upon a time – and I didn't go shooting very often and wasn't a good shot by competitive standards.

That does rather widen the field.

OK an analysis just coming up on the BBC estimates the distance at 142 yards.

It requires skill and continuous practice especially for exact target and gravity drop. I know this from clay pigeon shooting.

ETA it's precision shooting if the aim was the neck and not the head.

Yup, and lots of people in Utah go out shooting most weekends.
Even chilled liberals.
Its a normal activity.

Also clays are moving upwards and sideways.
Kirk had been sitting in the same place for a while.

How far was Oswald from JFK ?

And yes I feel terrible discomfort in discussing this. I don't believe in gun ownership and certainly not capital punishment/execution.

Didn't feel like it was the right thing to fill/finish the thread off with cartoons and memes like we often do.

So will reflect on those who lost their lives, those who lost their loved ones and those (most of us?) who have found themselves in a world at odds with itself after 9/11.