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Ukraine Invasion: Part 58

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MagicFox · 10/08/2025 12:16

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ReleaseTheDucksOfWar · 13/09/2025 12:06

Kyiv Post Telegram Highlights

Polish officials insist their government has proof showing that Russia’s drone attack was planned. (www.kyivpost.com/post/59985) Ukraine’s top general Syrsky calls it a warning to NATO.

Trump on Friday said his patience with Putin is “running out fast.” (https://www.kyivpost.com/post/60008)

Ukraine’s SBU drones struck Russia’s biggest oil port (www.kyivpost.com/post/59997) - Primorsk. Fires forced exports to halt, slashing up to $41M/day from Moscow’s budget. Russia’s “shadow fleet” now stranded.

DTEK launched a 200MW battery system (www.kyivpost.com/post/59994) — Ukraine’s largest yet, enough to power 600,000 homes for 2 hours.
DTEK owner Rinat Akhmetov called the system "unique" for both Ukraine and the West.

Belarus is building a secret military base (www.kyivpost.com/post/59972)e (www.kyivpost.com/post/59972) less than 250 kilometers from the Polish border that could be used to house ballistic and even nuclear missiles. [previously reported]

Russia’s much-vaunted summer offensive of 2025 has collapsed into a strategic disaster. Despite massive losses – over 210,000 troops and thousands of tanks and vehicles – Moscow has achieved almost nothing on the battlefield.
Former Navy SEAL and Kyiv Post correspondent Chuck Pfarrer breaks down the numbers, the failed tactics, and why Russia’s war aims look further away than ever.
www.kyivpost.com/videos/60021

The US has air defense stronger than Patriot — General Keith Kellogg, Zelensky noted. He emphasized that Kellogg’s presence in Kyiv brings residents a sense of safety, adding that he would even be ready to grant the general citizenship and housing.

The first burials have taken place at the newly built memorial cemetery near Kyiv.
Kyiv Post went to see what (www.kyivpost.com/post/59849) has been built there and what is planned for the facility in the future.

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Desdemonashandkerchief · 13/09/2025 12:11

Picking up on one point in your round up Ducks:
EU must not fall into Russian trap on territorial concessions, Kallas warns
And she did indeed succinctly sum up the russian method of ‘negotiating’ way back in 2022, how right she was:

https://youtube.com/shorts/u1cTRn5tBs8?si=u7koQTw1TXA78XiM

ReleaseTheDucksOfWar · 13/09/2025 12:23

Live: Ukraine Telegram Highlights

Russia entered Kupiansk through underground pipelines, — DeepState.
The enemy has built an entire logistical artery stretching from Lyman Pershyi to Radkivka, allowing troops to move to the outskirts of Kupiansk with minimal losses.
For movement inside the pipes, Russian forces use special carts and even electric scooters where the height permits. Along the route, rest areas and supply depots have been set up.

🇩🇰 Danish Foreign Minister Lars Løkke Rasmussen announced the launch of a new program to support Ukraine, under which the country will allocate €375 million.
According to him, the Ukraine Transition Program is “the largest and most ambitious development support program in history.”
For his part, Ukrainian Foreign Minister Andrii Sybiha stated that the program will run for three years.

Estonia has temporarily closed its airspace along the Russian border, the Defense Ministry announced, noting it is “too early to say” how long the restrictions will remain in place.
The move follows similar steps by Latvia, Lithuania, and Poland.

🇬🇧🇯🇵 The United Kingdom and Japan have imposed new sanctions on Russia.
The UK sanctions target 30 companies and individuals who support the Russian military and the annexation of Crimea, as well as those supplying electronics, chemicals, and explosives for the production of missiles and drones.
Britain has also sanctioned 70 vessels from the shadow fleet transporting Russian oil.
Japan’s government froze the assets of 47 Russian companies and nine individuals, including those involved in the annexation of Crimea, the “destabilization of eastern Ukraine,” and the so-called incorporation of eastern and southern Ukrainian regions into Russia.
In addition, Japan lowered the price cap on seaborne Russian oil to $47.6 per barrel.

🇵🇱 The Polish Sejm has passed a law introducing new requirements for Ukrainians to receive the “800 Plus” financial aid.
According to the new law, foreigners will only be eligible for this assistance if they are employed and their children attend a Polish school. Exceptions apply to people with disabilities.
Poland’s Social Insurance Institution will check monthly whether a foreigner was employed. If they had no job in a given month, the payments will be suspended. The Border Guard database will also be used to verify whether the person has left Poland.
In addition, access for Ukrainian citizens to certain medical services will be restricted — including healthcare programs, rehabilitation, dentistry, and medicines. At the same time, the law extends the legal status of Ukrainian refugees in Poland until March 4, 2026.
▪️ On August 25, Polish President Karol Nawrocki vetoed a bill that would have allowed payments and free medical services for unemployed Ukrainians, saying that aid should only go to refugees who commit to working in Poland.
▪️ “800 Plus” is a state aid program for families raising children who arrived from Ukraine due to the war. It provides a monthly payment of 800 złoty (about 8,982 UAH) per child.

🇵🇱 A missing Polish teenager has been found in Ukraine — he joined the Armed Forces as a volunteer.
In mid-March, Polish media reported the disappearance of 18-year-old Wojciech Antoni, who was supposed to travel to Warsaw.
After several days of searching, Poznań police announced that the young man had been found, without providing details. But recently, he appeared in a video released by Ukraine’s Foreign Recruitment Center.
Speaking in English, the young man said he joined the 25th Air Assault Brigade to “save people, protect them from Russian invaders, fight against the Russian invasion, and fight for Europe.”
“Brothers and sisters from Poland, the war is closer than it seems. Help. Be ready to defend your Homeland. Glory to Ukraine! Poland has not yet perished!” he added in Polish.

🇧🇾 Former Belarusian presidential candidate Mikalai Statkevich, who was among the political prisoners released on September 11, has gone missing.
Statkevich refused to leave Belarus — he was supposed to be deported to Lithuania. According to Belsat, he “practically broke down the door, jumped out of the bus, and ran back into Belarusian territory.”
His wife, U.S. diplomats, and several others tried to persuade him to leave the country but failed. Lithuanian authorities say Statkevich never crossed the Belarus–Lithuania border.
Another freed and deported activist, Siarhei Sparysh, said that Statkevich is convinced that a true Belarusian leader cannot live outside Belarus.

🇬🇧 Protests broke out in London over the performance of Russian opera singer Anna Netrebko.
Netrebko opened the season at the Royal Opera House, drawing nearly 50 demonstrators outside the venue.
▪️ In 2014, she donated one million rubles to a Russian-controlled opera theater in Donetsk, saying she “wanted to support the arts.” In 2012, she was registered as a trustee for Vladimir Putin’s presidential campaign. That same year, she also met with Oleg Tsaryov, one of the separatist leaders in occupied Donetsk.

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Ukraine Invasion: Part 58
PiggyPigalle · 13/09/2025 14:52

Polish officials insist their government has proof showing that Russia’s drone attack was planned. (www.kyivpost.com/post/59985) Ukraine’s top general Syrsky calls it a warning to NATO.

Can't be true. Mary Dejevsky said NATO's making a fuss over nothing and Putin made a simple mistake. Of course she made no mention of what all the other drones were doing over Ukraine at the time, nor did the presenter ask.

Why presenters invite Lady Hah-Haw on to spout her Kremlin views can only mean one thing. That they believe her. She's not some conspiracy theorist caller shouting False Flag, she has pedigree.
Introduced as a Daily Telegraph columnist, (more a 5th columnist), she ums and arrs in her innocent fashion, dropping in just enough doubt or a question to lodge in listener's minds.
The last thing Ukraine needs is the public turning against aid. I'm sure we have enough military men to give their views, without Mary Dejevsky, Professor of Russian Studies.

Mb76 · 13/09/2025 15:19

I am moved by the photos of Prince Harry in Kyiv.

Desdemonashandkerchief · 13/09/2025 15:24

DuncinToffee · 13/09/2025 13:35

Trump finds the get-out on Russian sanctions that he’s been searching for for so long.

https://bsky.app/profile/chadbourn.bsky.social/post/3lypr5rj74s2g

Biden and Zelensky’s war - not Putin then?
The man comes across more and more as a Russian asset.

blueshoes · 14/09/2025 03:07

https://understandingwar.org/research/russia-ukraine/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-september-12-2025/

Key Takeaways

  1. Russian and Belarusian forces began the joint Zapad-2025 military exercises on September 12 for the first time since Russia’s 2022 full-scale invasion of Ukraine.
  2. Russia and Belarus may have walked back efforts to use Zapad-2025 to support nuclear saber-rattling operations against the West, at least temporarily.
  3. Belarusian and Russian officials blamed Poland for overreacting to the threat of Russian aggression in response to Poland’s decision to close its border with Belarus due to Zapad-2025.
  4. NATO announced the Eastern Sentry operation on September 12 in response to the Russian drones that violated Polish airspace on the night of September 9 to 10.
  5. The Russian Central Bank likely prematurely lowered its key interest rate for the third time since June 2025 in an attempt to maintain the facade of domestic economic stability. The lowering of the key interest rate will likely continue to exacerbate Russia’s economic instability.
  6. Ukraine’s partners continue to sanction Russia.
  7. Ukraine conducted a series of long-range drone strikes against energy infrastructure in Leningrad and Smolensk oblasts on the night of September 11 to 12.
  8. US senators Lindsey Graham, Richard Blumenthal, Katie Britt, and Amy Klobuchar introduced a bill to the US Senate on September 11 to facilitate the return of Ukrainian children that Russia deported.
  9. Ukrainian forces recently advanced near Novopavlivka. Russian forces recently advanced near Lyman and Velykomykhailivka, and in the Kostyantynivka-Druzhkivka tactical area.
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blueshoes · 14/09/2025 03:12

https://understandingwar.org/research/russia-ukraine/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-september-13-2025/

Key Takeaways

  1. Russian forces recently attempted to advance behind Ukrainian positions in Kupyansk via an underground gas pipeline – the third time Russian forces have used this tactic so far in the war. Russia’s repeated use of this tactic further indicates that Russian forces are improving their ability to disseminate tactical lessons between various sectors of the front line.
  2. The international community continues to condemn the recent Russian drone incursion into Poland’s airspace.
  3. Russian and Belarusian officials continue to deflect responsibility for Russia’s recent drone incursion into Polish airspace.
  4. Additional information about the Russian drone incursion undermines Nebenzya’s and Tozik’s statements, however.
  5. Russian forces recently advanced near Pokrovsk, Novopavlivka, and Velykomykhailivka and in the Kostyantynivka-Druzhkivka tactical area.
ReleaseTheDucksOfWar · 14/09/2025 11:34

DuncinToffee · 13/09/2025 13:35

Trump finds the get-out on Russian sanctions that he’s been searching for for so long.

https://bsky.app/profile/chadbourn.bsky.social/post/3lypr5rj74s2g

Sigh. I'm all too afraid you're right.

He's going to find some get-out clause to get out of his NATO commitments too isn't he? All he wants is to trade with Russia.

ReleaseTheDucksOfWar · 14/09/2025 11:44

Kyiv Independent Telegram Highlights

⚡️EU to apply 'unique' approach (kyivindependent.com/eu-to-apply-unique-approach-to-ukraines-accession-path-as-hungary-wields-veto-official-says/) to Ukraine's accession path as Hungary wields veto, official says.
There is an agreement in place with the EU to maintain Kyiv's progress despite Budapest's veto, Deputy Prime Minister for European Integration Taras Kachka said.

⚡️US not sure Russia deliberately launched drones into Poland (kyivindependent.com/us-not-sure-russia-deliberately-launched-drones-into-poland-rubio-says/), Rubio says.
"There's no doubt about the drones were intentionally launched. The question is whether the drones were targeted to go into Poland specifically," U.S. Secretary of State Marco Rubio told reporters.

⚡️US 'behind' Ukraine in drone technology (kyivindependent.com/us-behind-ukraine-in-drone-technology-trump-envoy-kellogg-says/), Trump envoy Kellogg says.
"I think we in the United States are behind ... I think a lot of nations are behind, and I think to the credit of the Ukrainians, they picked up on that, and they're the world leaders in it."

⚡️EU to further restrict (kyivindependent.com/eu-preparing-to-restrict-visas-for-russians/) visas for Russians, Politico reports.
The EU is preparing to make it harder for Russian citizens to get visas after pressure from European nations bordering Russia, Politico reported on Sept. 12, citing an anonymous European Commission official.
Brussels ended its visa facilitation agreement with Russia in 2022 in response to Moscow's full-scale invasion of Ukraine, meaning it is harder and more expensive for Russians to get visas.

⚡️Romania scrambles jets (kyivindependent.com/romania-scrambles-jets-poland-closes-airport-over-russian-drone-alerts/), Poland closes airport over Russian drone alerts.
"Russian military personnel know exactly where their drones are headed and how long they can stay in the air," President Volodymyr Zelensky said, commenting on the attacks. "The routes are always calculated. This cannot be an accident, a mistake, or the initiative of some lower-level commanders."

⚡️Trump says he'll sanction (kyivindependent.com/trump-threatens-major-sanctions-on-russia-if-nato-stops-buying-russian-oil/) Moscow if all NATO allies stop buying Russian oil.
U.S. President Donald Trump said on Sept. 13 he would hit Russia with “major” sanctions if all NATO members unite and stop buying Russian oil.
Since taking office in January, Trump has repeatedly threatened to impose sanctions on Russia and tariffs on countries buying Russian oil and gas. However, in most cases Trump has failed to deliver on his promises, and the only significant measure was a tariff imposed on India in August over purchases of Russian oil. [which India has ignored]

⚡️Ukrainian drone hits chemical plant (kyivindependent.com/ukrainian-drone-hits-chemical-plant-in-russias-perm-krai-1-800-km-from-border-media-reports/) in Russia's Perm Krai 1,800 km from border, media reports.
The Metafrax Chemicals plant in Gubakha, Perm Krai, is subject to international sanctions by the U.K. and Ukraine.

⚡️Ukraine hits (kyivindependent.com/ukraine-hits-russias-black-sea-fleet-communication-hub-in-occupied-crimea-navy-says/) Russia's Black Sea Fleet communication hub in occupied Crimea, Navy says.
According to the statement, the communications center, responsible for coordinating operations of Russia's Black Sea Fleet units, was located at the site of the 184th Research and Testing Facility.

⚡️Ukrainian drones strike major Russian oil refinery (kyivindependent.com/ukrainian-drones-strike-major-russian-oil-refinery-in-leningrad-oblast-governor-says/) in Leningrad Oblast, governor says.
The Kirishi refinery is one of the largest in Russia and has a processing capacity of over 17 million tons of oil per year. A fire broke out at the facility during a Ukrainian drone attack, Leningrad Oblast Governor Alexander Drozdenko claimed.

⚡️Ukraine strikes oil refinery (https://kyivindependent.com/ukraine-strikes-oil-refinery-roughly-1-500-kilometers-inside-russias-bashkortostan/) deep behind lines, 1,500 km from border.
Preliminary assessments indicate that key infrastructure at a major oil refinery in Russia’s Bashkortostan region— including a vacuum column essential for primary oil processing—suffered significant damage.

⚡️Ukrainian troops regain control (kyivindependent.com/ukrainian-troops-regain-control-of-dnipropetrovsk-oblast-village-military-says/) of Dnipropetrovsk Oblast village Filia, military says.

⚡️Explosions damage (kyivindependent.com/explosions-damage-railway-infrastructure-near-kyiv-forces-train-route-changes/) railway infrastructure near Kyiv, prompting train route changes.
ZN.UA outlet, citing unnamed sources, reported that explosions were caused by the detonation of munitions being transported by train near the village of Kalynivka in Kyiv Oblast, some 30 kilometers (18 miles) south of the capital.
Ukrainian officials have not commented on these claims and have yet to disclose more details about the incident.

Russia's Shahed-type attack drones are bigger than you think
(kyivindependent.com/everything-we-know-about-russias-drones-including-the-ones-that-reached-poland-2/)
Russia's "unprecedented" violation of Poland's airspace earlier this week made one thing very clear — it's not just Ukraine that has to be concerned about Moscow's long-range attack drones anymore.
For most people outside of Ukraine, their frame of reference for a drone is a typical quadcopter, the size of which can usually be measured in tens of centimeters.
But the long-range attack drones launched in their hundreds almost every night by Russia against Ukrainian cities are in a league of their own and are, in comparison to their quadcopter counterparts, absolutely massive.

⚡️Railway explosion (kyivindependent.com/railway-explosion-in-russias-oryol-oblast-kills-2-national-guard-officers/) in Russia's Oryol Oblast kills 2 National Guard officers.

⚡️Russian attacks kill 4, injure 9 (kyivindependent.com/russian-shelling-kills-5-in-donetsk-and-kharkiv-oblasts/) in Donetsk, Kharkiv oblasts.

⚡️Russian attacks (kyivindependent.com/russian-attacks-kill-7-injure-at-least-34-in-ukraine-over-past-day/) kill 7, injure 34 in Ukraine over past day.
Ukrainian forces downed 52 out of the 58 drones, including Shahed-type attack drones, launched by Russia overnight, the Air Force reported. Russia also launched an Iskander-M/KN-23 ballistic missile.

Ragnar Bjartur Gudmundsson 🇺🇦
‪@ragnarbjartur.bsky.social‬
⚡️ WAR IN UKRAINE & RUSSIA — SEP 14, 2025 (1/2)
■ Engagements near average; decreased casualties
■ Unarmored vehicle & artillery losses well above average, drone losses down
■ Overnight attacks: Relatively few, with a decent interception rate
■ Strikes on both sides above average; double-digit strike ratio
■ 🇺🇦 drones struck the Kirishi oil refinery in Leningrad oblast

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Ukraine Invasion: Part 58
ReleaseTheDucksOfWar · 14/09/2025 11:51

UNITED24 Media Telegram Highlights

NATO has begun exercises to practice the rapid deployment of troops and equipment to Lithuania.
The Netherlands reported the launch of the Grand Eagle 25 maneuvers, aimed at enhancing operational coordination among allies and strengthening the Alliance’s eastern flank.
Earlier, NATO Secretary General Mark Rutte announced the launch of the Eastern Sentinel program, designed to bolster Europe’s defense. He noted that it would involve resources from Denmark, France, the United Kingdom, Germany, and other countries.

Reportedly, the Russian army has deployed Iskander missile systems on a highway in the Kaliningrad region near the Polish border.

New details about the drone attack on the port of Primorsk: two tankers from Russia’s “shadow fleet” were hit.
According to Reuters, during yesterday’s special operation by the SBU, two Russian tankers — Kusto and Cai Yun — were damaged. Both vessels are part of the “shadow fleet” and sail under the flag of the Seychelles.
Following the drone strike, the largest Russian port for exporting oil products in the Baltic Sea suspended operations. The extent of damage to the pumping station, which was also targeted along with the tankers, remains unclear.
Experts note that Primorsk’s daily trade turnover reaches $100 million, meaning even a short-term shutdown inflicts significant economic losses on Russia.

Under the guise of “internships,” Russians are sending students from temporarily occupied territories to military-industrial factories, where they are forced to work on weapons production for the war against Ukraine, the Center for National Resistance reported.
“The occupiers call this process ‘more than work’ or ‘industrial tourism.’ In reality, it is a violation of international law, which prohibits involving the population of occupied territories in work for the benefit of the aggressor’s army,” the Center stressed.

The European Court of Justice has annulled EU authorisation for Russia to build a nuclear power plant in Hungary, ruling that it was unclear whether Viktor Orbán’s government had complied with EU procurement rules when it awarded the contract to Rosatom without a public tender, the Financial Times reports.
Judges in Luxembourg said on Thursday that the European Commission should have assessed compliance with public procurement rules when it approved Budapest’s plans to subsidise the construction of two new Rosatom-built reactors.
“The Commission should have ascertained whether this direct agreement, concluded without a public tender procedure, complied with EU public procurement rules. The Commission considered [that the agreement complied], but this decision was not sufficiently reasoned,” the court stated.
Budapest signed the deal with Rosatom in 2014 to build a two-gigawatt nuclear power plant, a project repeatedly delayed and now scheduled for completion in the early 2030s. The Paks nuclear power plant currently operates four Russian-built reactors dating back to the 1980s.
While other former Eastern Bloc states have turned to Western technology to modernise Soviet-era infrastructure, Hungary has stuck with Rosatom, though it also explored alternatives. Rosatom is leading the project and has engaged several major French and German subcontractors, but the two new reactors are being built by the Nizhny Novgorod Engineering Plant.
The Hungarian government said the project would continue as planned but expressed readiness to cooperate with the Commission to demonstrate compliance with procurement and state aid rules.
“The court did not say the project failed to comply with procurement rules, only that its justification was insufficient. Another procedure established this many years ago, but it was not used to justify the current decision. There is no legal reason not to continue the investment in Paks at the current pace,” said EU Affairs Minister János Bóka.
The European Commission said it would “carefully examine the decision and consider further steps.”

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ReleaseTheDucksOfWar · 14/09/2025 11:54

Kyiv Post Telegram Highlights

High-stakes gambit: Congress leverages government shutdown to force Russia sanctions, (www.kyivpost.com/post/60078) bypass Trump.

[more info] Ukrainian forces carried out an operation to blow up railway lines on the Orel–Kursk route.
Sources in the security services told Kyiv Post that railway workers had discovered unknown mines on the track and called in Russian National Guard sappers. The demining attempt failed — two sappers were killed and another lost his legs.
Another attack was carried out in the night of September 14, when tracks on the St. Petersburg–Pskov line near Stroganovo–Mshinskaya were blown up. A locomotive derailed and 15 fuel tanks were destroyed.

ReleaseTheDucksOfWar · 14/09/2025 11:57

Live: Ukraine Telegram Highlights

🇷🇴 Romanian fighter jets came close to shooting down a Russian drone, but it veered back toward Ukraine, Defense Minister Ionuț Moșteanu said.
According to him, radars detected the drone approaching Romanian airspace, prompting the scramble of two F-16s to intercept it.
“The jets took off and spotted the drone; they were very close to shooting it down. The drone was flying very low and at one point turned back toward Ukraine. It left our airspace, returning to Ukraine,” the minister explained.
He added that under a law adopted this spring, Romanian pilots are authorized to open fire on drones that violate the country’s borders.
Moșteanu also stressed that Russian provocations occur nearly every week, and Romania responds to them systematically.
▪️ On the evening of September 13, Russian drones again entered Romanian territory. According to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, one drone penetrated about 10 km into Romania and remained in NATO airspace for nearly 50 minutes.

Over the past 24 hours, Russian attacks killed 6 people and injured 28 others across several regions of Ukraine.
▪️A 60-year-old man was injured in a Russian FPV drone strike in a village in the Polohy district of Zaporizhzhia region. A minibus was damaged.
▪️In Kharkiv region, Russian strikes hit 7 settlements over the past day, leaving 1 person dead and 5 wounded.
▪️In Kherson region, 1 person was killed and 8 injured due to Russian attacks. Two apartment buildings, 38 private houses, outbuildings, and private cars were damaged.
▪️In Donetsk region, Russians killed 4 civilians in Kostiantynivka on September 13, while 14 others were wounded across the region.

🇬🇧 In London, 110,000 people joined an anti-migration protest.
The rally was organized by Tommy Robinson — a British far-right activist who supports Donald Trump’s policies and opposes UK military aid to Ukraine. Elon Musk appeared via video link, calling for a change of government in Britain.
Clashes broke out between protesters and police — officers were pelted with bottles, flares, and other objects. Nine people were detained.
At the same time, a counter-demonstration in support of migrants gathered around 5,000 participants in the British capital.

In Bulgaria, a man jogging on the beach stumbled upon a drone.
A naval specialist team was dispatched and confirmed it carried no explosives and posed no danger, according to the Bulgarian Defense Ministry.

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notimagain · 14/09/2025 12:27

I think the point upthread about size of drones is a fair one, many people still think terms of hobby drones (shoebox size) or small pro drones (about the size of a small coffee table) but Shahed and certainly the long range vehicles that Ukraine are now using are almost small.light aircraft/micro light size.

notimagain · 14/09/2025 12:41

Sorry to split comments but I think the following needs it's own post, so at the risk of being contoversial, with respect to:

"In London, 110,000 people joined an anti-migration protest.The rally was organized by Tommy Robinson — a British far-right activist who supports Donald Trump’s policies and opposes UK military aid to Ukraine. Elon Musk appeared via video link, calling for a change of government in Britain.Clashes broke out between protesters and police — officers were pelted with bottles, flares, and other objects."
..
I think that slightly misrepresents or certainly doesn't explain why most people marched yesterday.

Robinson is not the most popular figure outside his group of hardcore followers, neither is Musk.

A lot of people attended despite Robinsons presence simply to demonstrate how unhappy they feel about the way the UK is being run ATM.

Many of those who marched were veterans of UK Forces who are and will continue to be solidly behind Ukraine.

The clashes mentioned were apparently small in scale, on the fringe of the demo.

Per capita (suspicion is that actully about 300k marched) the arrests/injuries to police were comparible or even lower than at events such as the recent Nottinghill Hill Carnival.

LlttledrummergirI · 14/09/2025 14:08

notimagain · 14/09/2025 12:41

Sorry to split comments but I think the following needs it's own post, so at the risk of being contoversial, with respect to:

"In London, 110,000 people joined an anti-migration protest.The rally was organized by Tommy Robinson — a British far-right activist who supports Donald Trump’s policies and opposes UK military aid to Ukraine. Elon Musk appeared via video link, calling for a change of government in Britain.Clashes broke out between protesters and police — officers were pelted with bottles, flares, and other objects."
..
I think that slightly misrepresents or certainly doesn't explain why most people marched yesterday.

Robinson is not the most popular figure outside his group of hardcore followers, neither is Musk.

A lot of people attended despite Robinsons presence simply to demonstrate how unhappy they feel about the way the UK is being run ATM.

Many of those who marched were veterans of UK Forces who are and will continue to be solidly behind Ukraine.

The clashes mentioned were apparently small in scale, on the fringe of the demo.

Per capita (suspicion is that actully about 300k marched) the arrests/injuries to police were comparible or even lower than at events such as the recent Nottinghill Hill Carnival.

At the risk of rerunning arguments elsewhere on mnet,

A lot of people attended despite Robinsons presence simply to demonstrate how unhappy they feel about the way the UK is being run ATM.

Many of those who marched were veterans of UK Forces who are and will continue to be solidly behind Ukraine.

This is opinion, not fact, unless you asked every person there why they chose to attend an event organised by a right wing, hate filled thugs, and, if they were ex military, and if they support Ukraine, then you cannot present these claims as fact.

Per capita (suspicion is that actully about 300k marched) the arrests/injuries to police were comparible or even lower than at events such as the recent Nottinghill Hill Carnival.

Speculation and opinion that the numbers were higher. 26 officers were injured- that doesn't say peaceful.

This is not a discussion for this thread, which is Ukraine based, so I won't engage here further.

Igotjelly · 14/09/2025 17:27

LlttledrummergirI · 14/09/2025 14:08

At the risk of rerunning arguments elsewhere on mnet,

A lot of people attended despite Robinsons presence simply to demonstrate how unhappy they feel about the way the UK is being run ATM.

Many of those who marched were veterans of UK Forces who are and will continue to be solidly behind Ukraine.

This is opinion, not fact, unless you asked every person there why they chose to attend an event organised by a right wing, hate filled thugs, and, if they were ex military, and if they support Ukraine, then you cannot present these claims as fact.

Per capita (suspicion is that actully about 300k marched) the arrests/injuries to police were comparible or even lower than at events such as the recent Nottinghill Hill Carnival.

Speculation and opinion that the numbers were higher. 26 officers were injured- that doesn't say peaceful.

This is not a discussion for this thread, which is Ukraine based, so I won't engage here further.

I think it is to a degree since Russia is well known to try to sew divisions amongst the West. I was deeply saddened to see the massive protests yesterday and fear a great deal of it is fuelled by dis and misinformation.

notimagain · 14/09/2025 17:43

and fear a great deal of it is fuelled by dis and misinformation.

Which FWIW (I guess not a lot) is exactly why I had some serious issues with the wording/emphasis of that media report and the impression it may have left in the minds of some overseas, especially with regard to support for Ukraine.

Positivethought · 14/09/2025 17:59

notimagain · 14/09/2025 17:43

and fear a great deal of it is fuelled by dis and misinformation.

Which FWIW (I guess not a lot) is exactly why I had some serious issues with the wording/emphasis of that media report and the impression it may have left in the minds of some overseas, especially with regard to support for Ukraine.

Totally agree. My response and concern was the same as yours @notimagain. Clarity of language and intent is vitally important. Thank you for challenging.

ReleaseTheDucksOfWar · 15/09/2025 11:28

If it's true that Musk did a video appearance at the march and called for a change in govt (as he did around the time of the Southport stabbings didn't he?) ... well, I'm wondering if he is partly the source of all this disinformation and the civil unrest that is rising.

Murdoch's been gunning against middle-of-the-road values forever. Murdoch and Musk together are a true nightmare. Musk Putin and Murdoch together .. ugh. (Musk's father has visited Moscow not long ago and is on good terms with the Kremlin; Musk does at least occasionally speak with very senior Kremlin officials).

I think Musk is incredibly influential because of Twitter.

notimagain · 15/09/2025 12:08

Musk is indeed...and we know what to look for.

All I'm asking is that we also keep an eye out for dis/misinformation/deliberate lack of clarity from the "friendlies"...

Desdemonashandkerchief · 15/09/2025 13:42

United 24 Media:

Russia wants to buy back the S-400 systems it delivered to Türkiye due to a shortage of air defense systems in its own stockpiles, the Turkish newspaper Nefes reports.

According to the publication, Moscow currently has no S-400 systems available for export, which prevents it from fulfilling contracts with various “friendly” countries. For this reason, Russia is considering repurchasing the systems delivered to Türkiye in 2019.

At the same time, Türkiye makes little use of the Russian S-400s, as they do not meet NATO standards. Ankara is also developing its own comprehensive air defense system, the “Steel Dome,” which is expected to reduce its dependence on foreign suppliers. In addition, almost half of the S-400 missiles’ permitted service life has already expired since their delivery.

Sources note that another motivation for Ankara is the prospect of achieving the lifting of U.S. sanctions imposed under the CAATSA law following the S-400 purchase. These sanctions led to Türkiye’s exclusion from the F-35 fighter jet production program.

Moscow and Ankara signed the S-400 contract in 2017, and in 2019 Türkiye received four S-400 divisions.

⚡️HUR and Special Operations Forces disrupted traffic on the Orel–Kursk section of the Russian Railways.

On September 13, Russian Railways workers discovered mines on the Maloarkhangelsk–Glazunovka stretch. A Russian Guard engineering team was sent to clear them, but the attempt failed: three Guardsmen were killed, and more than 15 trains were delayed.

That same night, September 14, the St. Petersburg–Pskov railway line was blown up on the Stroganovo–Mshinskaya section. A locomotive derailed, and 15 fuel tanks along with their contents were destroyed.

Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk has called on Polish politicians to resist, rather than yield to, the spread of “pro-Russian sentiment” in the country.

He noted that Poland is currently witnessing “a growing wave of pro-Russian sentiment and hostility toward Ukraine.”

The UN may send peacekeepers to Ukraine to support a ceasefire and post-war reconstruction, — said UN General Assembly President Annalena Baerbock.

She noted that a peacekeeping mission would be deployed if the majority of member states approve the initiative.

At the same time, Baerbock emphasized that peace talks between Kyiv and Moscow must take place first.

It is the Ukrainians who will teach us how to confront Russia, not the other way around. This is something Western governments and the public must urgently understand, Polish Foreign Minister Radosław Sikorski told The Guardian, noting that Polish anti-drone teams will be trained by Ukrainian specialists.

“The Ukrainians have the best equipment to counter Russian drones, and they have far deeper and more modern experience in confronting the Russian army,” Sikorski said.

He added that the training of Polish teams in Ukraine’s advanced drone warfare tactics will take place at a NATO training center in Poland, which is “safer” than in Ukraine.

Denmark will bypass a number of laws and regulations to allow the Ukrainian company Fire Point to build a solid rocket fuel plant, DR reports.

A new law, passed by a large parliamentary majority, gives the government the right to temporarily suspend more than 20 laws and regulations for projects deemed “essential for national security or civil protection.” These include environmental, urban planning, land use, and environmental protection legislation. The law also allows for possible land expropriation.

Under the new framework and published draft regulations, the plant will be launched through an expedited procedure, with exemptions from multiple requirements.

However, the Danish Business Agency emphasized that this deviation is only a temporary measure to ensure a rapid start. Fire Point will still be required to fully comply with all safety and environmental standards. Authorities will remain engaged in the project, carry out regular inspections, and monitor compliance with safety, health, and environmental rules.

The French Defense Procurement Agency (DGA) has awarded ArianeGroup a contract to develop and produce the fourth version of the M51 submarine-launched ballistic missile (SLBM), known as the “M51.4,” Naval News reports. The M51.4’s improved range, accuracy, and penetration capabilities are expected to strengthen the reliability of France’s sea-based nuclear deterrent in response to new threats.

“This large-scale program will be a transformational driver by introducing innovative technologies, methods, and approaches to achieve ambitious technical and economic goals,” ArianeGroup said.

The M51 is a new-generation intercontinental ballistic missile that began replacing the M45 in 2010. Each missile carries six to ten independently targetable TN 75 thermonuclear warheads (MIRVs).

Since 2015, the TN 75 has been replaced by new Tête nucléaire océanique (TNO) warheads, reportedly maneuverable (MARVs) to evade potential anti-ballistic missile defense systems. The TNO’s yield is estimated to be roughly equal to the TN 75’s 150 kilotons of TNT equivalent, with a circular error probable (CEP) of 150 meters.

The three-stage solid-fuel M51 engine also served as the basis for the boosters used in the European Ariane 5 space rocket. According to open data, the missile weighs 52,000 kg, is 12 meters long, has a diameter of 2.3 meters, and an operational range of 8,000–10,000 km at a speed of Mach 25.

The first test launch of the M51 was carried out successfully at the Center for Missile Tests (CELM) in Biscarrosse, France, on November 9, 2006. The sixth test, on May 5, 2013, failed, but subsequent launches in September 2015, July 2016, June 2020, April 2021, and April 2023 were all successful.

On November 18, 2023, the French military announced the successful land-based test launch of the M51.3 SLBM — its first.

The Younger Generation in Russia Has No Influence — The Times

The Times writes in a new article that Russia is turning into a regime where the younger generation has no influence, and Putin, now 72, has isolated himself and surrounded himself with old cadres.

The Chief of the General Staff, Valery Gerasimov, is 70 and has held the position for 13 years. Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov is 75.

The security bloc is also controlled by people of retirement age — from 73-year-old FSB Director Alexander Bortnikov to 71-year-old Rosgvardia chief Viktor Zolotov.

❗️Donald Trump said that the sanctions imposed on Russia by EU countries are “not tough enough.”

“Europe buys oil from Russia. I don’t want them to buy oil, and the sanctions that they are imposing are not tough enough. I am ready to impose sanctions, but they should strengthen their sanctions in line with what I am doing,” the U.S. president said.

Ukraine Just Put AI Into Its FPV Drones—and They’re Already Winning

Ukraine’s defense sector is accelerating its shift toward AI-driven warfare, as drone maker Vyriy and autonomy developer The Fourth Law (TFL) begin mass production of precision FPV drones equipped with advanced terminal guidance.

The upgraded Vyriy-10, already one of the most widely used drones on the frontlines, will now come standard with TFL’s TFL-1 terminal guidance module, enabling precision strikes even under heavy jamming and electronic warfare.

❗️Russia will lose this war, — Keith Kellogg

If Putin had won, he would already be in Kyiv, west of the Dnipro, in Odesa, and he would have changed the government, the U.S. special representative noted.

He added that the Russians could advance in the Donbas, but if this advance is measured in meters rather than kilometers, it can hardly be considered a success.

“So, do I think the Russians are winning? Putin says so, but the West should answer: ‘No, they are not.’ By the way, this is a good question. Trump asked me the same thing in the Oval Office six weeks ago. I answered firmly and finally said: ‘Mr. President, don’t just listen to me. Your Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Kaine, is in the reception room now. Invite him. Ask him this question. He is your senior chief military advisor.’ And he asked, and Dan said the same thing. ‘Are they winning?’ ‘No, they are not,’” Kellogg concluded.

Russia is returning to barter. In the 1990s, it brought chaos to the economy — Reuters

▪️Russian companies have begun actively using barter in foreign trade.

▪️Wheat is exchanged for Chinese cars, and flax seeds for building materials and equipment due to Western sanctions and concerns about secondary restrictions among Chinese banks.

▪️After Russia was cut off from SWIFT, settlements in dollars and euros largely stopped. Transactions are now carried out on the principle of “grain for a car” or “raw materials for services.”

▪️Over the past year, at least eight such deals have been identified, including exchanges with China and Pakistan.

Barter is seen as a prelude to the chaos of the 1990s, when entire industries operated on exchanges and fraudsters made fortunes, making it impossible to determine the real value of goods.

Starlink satellite internet service restored after outage

As of the morning of September 15, the number of users in the US reporting issues with Starlink had dropped below 1,000, down from a peak of over 43,000, according to Downdetector. The Ukrainian military also reported problems.

Desdemonashandkerchief · 15/09/2025 13:58

Live:Ukraine

🇪🇪 Estonia will allocate more than €100 million in military aid to Ukraine next year, the country’s Defense Minister Hanno Pevkur announced.

“Estonia will continue to firmly support Ukraine in Russia’s war of aggression. Next year, we will also adhere to the principle that 0.25% of our GDP will be directed toward assistance to Ukraine,” Pevkur said.

He added that in 2026, Estonian defense industry companies will play a leading role in providing aid to Ukraine.

According to the Estonian Defense Minister, the country will also continue training Ukrainians and supporting IT solutions in Ukraine’s defense sector.

▪️ Estonia is one of the leaders in supporting Ukraine relative to GDP share. Since the start of Russia’s full-scale invasion, Estonia has provided Ukraine with more than €500 million in military aid — amounting to 1.4% of its GDP.

🇩🇰 Denmark will override more than 20 legal norms to build a fuel plant for Flamingo missiles.

Following the adoption of a new law, the Danish government gained broad powers to suspend other laws, regulations, and citizens’ right to file complaints — if it is necessary to quickly implement construction and operational projects vital to national defense or during a state of emergency.

For the construction of the Flamingo manufacturer Fire Point’s plant, laws on the environment, planning, nature protection, and other regulations will be ignored.

Many in Denmark are concerned that the government may be going too far by bypassing restrictions. The Danish Business Authority noted that the rapid launch of the plant requires exemptions from certain rules. However, Fire Point will “over time” be required to comply with all standard requirements for this type of business.

▪️Earlier, Danish outlet TV 2 reported that Fire Point plans to launch solid fuel production in December 2025. This marks the first time a Ukrainian defense company will be located on Danish territory.

🇵🇱 Polish President Karol Nawrocki has authorized the presence of foreign NATO troops in the country for Operation Eastern Watch.

The operation was announced on September 12 by NATO Secretary General Mark Rutte and the Alliance’s Supreme Allied Commander Europe, Alexus Grynkewich, as a response to Russian drones violating Polish airspace.

Polish Defense Minister Władysław Kosiniak-Kamysz said on September 13 that various types of equipment would be deployed to build a “multi-layered air defense.”

“This is not only about countering drones — air defense covers missiles, aircraft, and all types of threats that may arise,” he added.

The operation will be commanded by the Polish Armed Forces’ Operational Command in coordination with NATO’s Joint Force Command in Brunssum, the Netherlands.

🇲🇩 Moldovan President Maia Sandu said that Russia has expanded its interference in the country’s upcoming parliamentary elections on September 28, now targeting voters living abroad.

Sandu accused Moscow of using Russian Orthodox priests to spread propaganda and deploying the “Matryoshka” bot network to generate fake content disguised as legitimate foreign media outlets.

A global Starlink outage has been reported.

Commander of Ukraine’s Unmanned Systems Forces, Robert “Madyar” Brovdi, said that Starlink connectivity is down across the entire frontline.

Screenshot: Downdetector

🇺🇸 Trump expressed doubt about the possibility of direct talks between Zelensky and Putin due to their deep personal animosity.

“The hatred between Zelensky and Putin is unfathomable,” he said.

When asked whether the next step could be a trilateral summit, Trump replied that the format did not matter.

“There will be talks — whether you call it a summit or just a meeting, it doesn’t matter. But I will probably have to take part. They hate each other so much that they can barely speak,” he concluded.

🔹 Kellogg: Russia’s army isn’t as strong as Putin claims — Ukraine has knocked them down a few notches.

🔸 Trump for the first time called Russia the aggressor in the war against Ukraine, demonstrating a tougher stance toward Moscow — Politico reports.

Speaking about Ukrainian and Russian military losses, Trump told reporters on Sunday:

“Eight thousand soldiers from both countries were killed this week. Slightly more from Russia, but when you’re the aggressor, you lose more.”

🔹 U.S. military personnel have arrived in Belarus to observe the Zapad 2025 military exercises.

According to the Belarusian Ministry of Defense, representatives from 23 countries, including Turkey and Hungary, are also present.

This comes less than a week after Russian drones attacked a NATO country, with part of their flight path passing through Belarus.

🔸 Belarusian political prisoner Mikalai Statkevich, who refused deportation to Lithuania, has been returned to prison.

According to Nasha Niva, Statkevich was taken back to Hlybokaye prison, where he had been held for the past 2.5 years.

▪️Statkevich was released on September 11 along with other political prisoners. However, he refused to leave Belarus and be deported to Lithuania — instead, he “almost broke the door, jumped out of the bus, and ran back onto Belarusian territory.”

blueshoes · 15/09/2025 14:59

https://understandingwar.org/research/russia-ukraine/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-september-14-2025/

Key Takeaways

  1. A Russian drone entered Romanian airspace on the night of September 13, days after a Russian drone incursion into Polish airspace on the night of September 9 to 10.
  2. Poland authorized NATO reinforcements to deploy to Poland for Operation Eastern Sentry in response to the September 9 to 10 Russian drone incursion into Polish territory.
  3. Russian and Belarusian forces continued the Zapad-2025 joint military exercises.
  4. Ukraine continued its long-range drone strike and sabotage campaign against Russian oil, gas, railway, and military infrastructure in Russia and occupied Crimea on the night of September 13 to 14.
  5. The Kremlin is facing a massive budget deficit and may increase consumer taxes to compensate for the deficit rather than decreasing funding for its war machine, passing the economic costs off as a sacrifice that the Russian population must accept to support Russia’s war in Ukraine.
  6. Increasing the VAT could reverse any progress the Russian Central Bank may have made against inflation while also failing to address any of the issues that will likely arise from prematurely lowering the key interest rate.
  7. Russian forces advanced near Pokrovsk and in western Zaporizhia Oblast.

Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment, September 14, 2025

A Russian drone entered Romanian airspace on the night of September 13, days after a Russian drone incursion into Polish airspace.

https://understandingwar.org/research/russia-ukraine/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-september-14-2025/

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