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A teacher was sacked after saying Lucy Connolly’s prison sentence was an example of “two-tier policing”.

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MrsGuyOfGisbo · 06/08/2025 15:23

Terrifying!
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/08/03/teacher-sacked-preston-college-two-tier-lucy-connolly/?fbclid=IwQ0xDSwMARFBleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHkzVENZ7Uuj5t683HKQF_DzYMCjcNAyXrug8djqeWVi30-Us_ALPBq3XIanb_aem_Wo-H97tP5dRGbhHDYGRSSA&ICID=continue_without_subscribing_reg_first

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JamesMacGill · 06/08/2025 21:14

goldenquestion · 06/08/2025 21:13

So is hearing you describe Muslim people in derogatory terms, but doesn’t seem to be stopping you.

Can you please post verbatim where I have described Muslims in derogatory terms?

You can’t and won’t and will deflect, but I will still ask.

Aprilrainagainagain · 06/08/2025 21:15

Good. She should be sacked.

goldenquestion · 06/08/2025 21:17

JamesMacGill · 06/08/2025 21:11

It’s a factually wrong post, but you’d be foolish to assume it’s a fringe view - look at the popularity of Reform. If nobody you know will vote for them, then who are the 30% (ish) who tell YouGov they will?

The Manchester Airport incident is irrelevant to basically everything. Unrelated to immigration, Lucy, Southport and whatever else.

Lucy’s sentence may have been permissible but it was to me wildly excessive - 30 months for a tweet? Absolutely ridiculous, and by all accounts she will be martyred when she comes out as Reform already have her in their sights as some kind of free speech ambassador. Huge own goal.

I do think a huge number of people don’t really understand the difference between opposing Netanyahu and his methods (as I do) and actually advocating for the creation of an Islamist state with terror cells directly next door to Israel. This would make the whole of the West more unsafe. There are a LOT of useful idiots around whose brains can only compute sound bites and cliches and run off at the gentlest of questioning.

Reform voters keep each other company, I’m sure. I choose to spend time with people who I like and to like someone I tend to have to share their values, so no, no one I know does align themselves with Reform.

The fact it was a tweet is irrelevant. If someone hires a hitman via text message and is charged with murder, as they can be in this country, would you say ‘that sentence is excessive for a text?’ It’s the intent that’s got her in trouble, not the method of delivery.

also I’ve not seen anyone advocating for an Islamist state, just to recognise the state of Palestine. Not all Palestinians are Islamic?

ilovesooty · 06/08/2025 21:19

Uniworries · 06/08/2025 18:27

I wouldn't be too sure of that, lots of the British public think she got what she deserved, others just understand the law. But it's irrelevant If your a teacher, you don't spout it. That's what you sign up to when you sign your contract.

People who don't care about the contracts they sign, don't deserve to stay in the roles they're contracted for.

Agreed. He should have been well aware that posting views like that would have him in trouble.

goldenquestion · 06/08/2025 21:21

JamesMacGill · 06/08/2025 21:14

Can you please post verbatim where I have described Muslims in derogatory terms?

You can’t and won’t and will deflect, but I will still ask.

No deflection here, that’s your style, not mine.

Here you go:

I doubt they would tell you. I went to a wedding last year and spent most of the time chatting to a youngish Muslim woman who was lovely, and I mean seriously lovely. She added me on Facebook shortly after. Last month she reposted a picture saying women who don’t wear a head covering are destined for hell. You never know what people are thinking.

telling a story mentioning someone’s religion when it has no bearing on the story and no relation to the thing being discussed (during which you need to reinforce that a Muslim can in fact be lovely), and then finishing with her saying people are destined for hell and trying to imply that she’s said a horrible thing, because she’s a Muslim…is Islamophobia (not strictly racism, but if the shoe fits).

try telling stories that are relevant and don’t bring race and/or religion into it unnecessarily and people might not jump to conclusions about you

JamesMacGill · 06/08/2025 21:31

goldenquestion · 06/08/2025 21:21

No deflection here, that’s your style, not mine.

Here you go:

I doubt they would tell you. I went to a wedding last year and spent most of the time chatting to a youngish Muslim woman who was lovely, and I mean seriously lovely. She added me on Facebook shortly after. Last month she reposted a picture saying women who don’t wear a head covering are destined for hell. You never know what people are thinking.

telling a story mentioning someone’s religion when it has no bearing on the story and no relation to the thing being discussed (during which you need to reinforce that a Muslim can in fact be lovely), and then finishing with her saying people are destined for hell and trying to imply that she’s said a horrible thing, because she’s a Muslim…is Islamophobia (not strictly racism, but if the shoe fits).

try telling stories that are relevant and don’t bring race and/or religion into it unnecessarily and people might not jump to conclusions about you

Why doesn’t it have bearing on the story? It’s directly relevant as her religion was the reason she posted the picture. I was using an example of how you never know what somebody is thinking. The polling booth is private and the ‘shy Tory effect’ is a known phenomenon.

Please tell me how 1 story about 1 lady is ‘describing Muslims in derogatory terms’?

Milliejacksonhouseforsale · 06/08/2025 21:34

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Ah so your a racist now.. Father Ted.😁
So many of these types of threads lately.

goldenquestion · 06/08/2025 21:42

JamesMacGill · 06/08/2025 21:31

Why doesn’t it have bearing on the story? It’s directly relevant as her religion was the reason she posted the picture. I was using an example of how you never know what somebody is thinking. The polling booth is private and the ‘shy Tory effect’ is a known phenomenon.

Please tell me how 1 story about 1 lady is ‘describing Muslims in derogatory terms’?

Of course it has no bearing, the conversation you replied to was talking about Lucy Connolly, not Muslims. religion played no part in her case. You could have said “you don’t know what people are thinking” and told the same story without mentioning anyones religion.

I already described how it’s derogatory for you, in detail. As with everything else, you disagree. Me explaining it again isn’t going to change that is it.

thats not deflection, its another fact you won’t want to hear

JamesMacGill · 06/08/2025 21:43

goldenquestion · 06/08/2025 21:42

Of course it has no bearing, the conversation you replied to was talking about Lucy Connolly, not Muslims. religion played no part in her case. You could have said “you don’t know what people are thinking” and told the same story without mentioning anyones religion.

I already described how it’s derogatory for you, in detail. As with everything else, you disagree. Me explaining it again isn’t going to change that is it.

thats not deflection, its another fact you won’t want to hear

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How does 1 story about 1 person, with no generalising, equate to being derogatory about Muslims?

JamesMacGill · 06/08/2025 21:43

Milliejacksonhouseforsale · 06/08/2025 21:34

Ah so your a racist now.. Father Ted.😁
So many of these types of threads lately.

No it’s ’I hear you’re a racist now Father’

goldenquestion · 06/08/2025 21:44

JamesMacGill · 06/08/2025 21:43

No it’s ’I hear you’re a racist now Father’

They weren’t quoting the line verbatim

Milliejacksonhouseforsale · 06/08/2025 21:45

JamesMacGill · 06/08/2025 21:43

No it’s ’I hear you’re a racist now Father’

I know I couldn't be bothered typing it out.
Still a very funny episode.👍😁

Bringmeahigherlove · 06/08/2025 21:47

Picked out a tiny section of the story. Pathetic.

Milliejacksonhouseforsale · 06/08/2025 21:49

Bringmeahigherlove · 06/08/2025 21:47

Picked out a tiny section of the story. Pathetic.

Is that aimed at me?
It was a comedy not a documentary.

JamesMacGill · 06/08/2025 22:01

Milliejacksonhouseforsale · 06/08/2025 21:45

I know I couldn't be bothered typing it out.
Still a very funny episode.👍😁

I love Father Ted

JamesMacGill · 06/08/2025 22:02

goldenquestion · 06/08/2025 21:44

They weren’t quoting the line verbatim

Just like you! Lol

goldenquestion · 06/08/2025 22:04

JamesMacGill · 06/08/2025 22:02

Just like you! Lol

Eh?

TheGrimSmile · 06/08/2025 22:08

Good. Morons shouldn't be teachers.

Underthinker · 06/08/2025 22:25

goldenquestion · 06/08/2025 21:09

But what people believe plays no part. The law is the law and the guidelines are the guidelines. They didn’t change before she was sentenced, she chose to commit a crime with that as the potential sentences. She can read I presume. You can bet your last penny that if I’m ever in her position I’ll be reading every last available fact about potential sentences before entering a plea.

And more importantly, I absolutely wouldn’t be pleading guilty if I hadn’t done the crime.

In addition, Point 10 of the sentencing remarks points out that she remarked “if I am arrested, I’ll play the mental health card”. Pretty aware of herself there isn’t she?

No one can be 100% sure if she'd have been found guilty or not guilty, even different legal experts would call it differently.

Therefore believing she would be found not guilty is a valid stance.

Therefore thinking a custodial sentence is harsh compared to an expected acquittal is an entiely reasonable position to hold, and doesn't demonstrate the ignorance of the law that your original, very black and white post on the topic implied.

goldenquestion · 06/08/2025 22:29

Underthinker · 06/08/2025 22:25

No one can be 100% sure if she'd have been found guilty or not guilty, even different legal experts would call it differently.

Therefore believing she would be found not guilty is a valid stance.

Therefore thinking a custodial sentence is harsh compared to an expected acquittal is an entiely reasonable position to hold, and doesn't demonstrate the ignorance of the law that your original, very black and white post on the topic implied.

You can only “expect an acquittal” if you are innocent and don’t please guilty.

People saying her sentence is too harsh, must understand the sentence was passed AFTER she plead guilty. So given the facts, she was sentenced appropriately.

Thinking someone that pleads guilty is being made an example of with inflated sentencing, is not a valid position to have. The judge can only sentence within the available framework, he couldn’t have given her a harsher sentence than was available to him, purely by way of not liking her, making an example of her or some other two tier factor. The fact that she’s also had an appeal dismissed should probably tell people the sentence was correct.

MyDeftHedgehog · 06/08/2025 22:30

Definitely 2 tier justice going on. Last month 3 young men appeared in court in charges of sexually abusing a young teenage girl; filming it and posting it on the net. They walked away with suspended sentences.
Mike Amesbury the labour MP who punched a man to the ground got 10 weeks jail, appealed and 3 days later got the sentence suspended. Lucy Connolly, whose own child died through NHS neglect, made an inadvisable post which she later deleted. She was sentenced to 31 months in prison. A community sentence would have surfficed imho, rather than tear a mother away from her child. I read a lot of newsfeeds and never fail to astonished at the paltry sentences that violent thugs are given, time after time, many with a long list of previous violent offences

JamesMacGill · 06/08/2025 22:31

goldenquestion · 06/08/2025 22:29

You can only “expect an acquittal” if you are innocent and don’t please guilty.

People saying her sentence is too harsh, must understand the sentence was passed AFTER she plead guilty. So given the facts, she was sentenced appropriately.

Thinking someone that pleads guilty is being made an example of with inflated sentencing, is not a valid position to have. The judge can only sentence within the available framework, he couldn’t have given her a harsher sentence than was available to him, purely by way of not liking her, making an example of her or some other two tier factor. The fact that she’s also had an appeal dismissed should probably tell people the sentence was correct.

Judges absolutely have a level of discretion when it comes to sentencing. I saw somebody convicted of rape walk free from court with no custodial sentence due to what the judge saw as mitigating factors.

goldenquestion · 06/08/2025 22:32

JamesMacGill · 06/08/2025 22:31

Judges absolutely have a level of discretion when it comes to sentencing. I saw somebody convicted of rape walk free from court with no custodial sentence due to what the judge saw as mitigating factors.

Only within the available guidelines. A judge can’t give a murderer a £50 fine because he likes his skin colour.

goldenquestion · 06/08/2025 22:32

MyDeftHedgehog · 06/08/2025 22:30

Definitely 2 tier justice going on. Last month 3 young men appeared in court in charges of sexually abusing a young teenage girl; filming it and posting it on the net. They walked away with suspended sentences.
Mike Amesbury the labour MP who punched a man to the ground got 10 weeks jail, appealed and 3 days later got the sentence suspended. Lucy Connolly, whose own child died through NHS neglect, made an inadvisable post which she later deleted. She was sentenced to 31 months in prison. A community sentence would have surfficed imho, rather than tear a mother away from her child. I read a lot of newsfeeds and never fail to astonished at the paltry sentences that violent thugs are given, time after time, many with a long list of previous violent offences

What is the link between your own child dying and wishing death on other peoples children?

MyDeftHedgehog · 06/08/2025 22:37

goldenquestion · 06/08/2025 22:32

What is the link between your own child dying and wishing death on other peoples children?

She wasn't wishing death on other peoples children. She didnt even tell anyone to burn anything down. She actually said burn them.down for all I care. Not a wise thing to say but when 3 little girls were murdered in cold blood by someone known to be dangerous by the authorities,who, lets not forget, lied about the perpetrators identity, well perhaps she was triggered by thoughts of her own child's death

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