Lucy Letby - programme on ITV now

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I think this must be a new programme and not a repeat. Experts are being wheeled out to try and say Letby is innocent. I'm not convinced at all. None of them were even at the trial or worked with Letby. It's all theories and opinions..

@Oftenaddled you will defend anything she does. If it was during a routine procedure do you not think she would've mentioned that? Don't you think the parents might've been told their baby was about to undergo a procedure or have a new treatment? If it was accidental a nurse would immediately put it back in not take a photo. Anymore excuses for why it was out? Now the serial killer is just being "kind and thoughtful" FFS 🙄and of course the blame lies elsewhere as usual-someone else removed the tube, yeah ok.

Very similar happened with my friend's baby.

The real situation was the baby needed it taking out for a short time, can't remember why, and the nurse took a photo while it was being done, and sent it to them.
It's one of their most prized photos because they could see his face much better without it.

They regarded that as being something done with full empathy for their situation and were full of praise for the nurse for taking the initiative and doing it while they had the opportunity. No it wasn't LL.

A nasogastric tube is used primarily for feeding (and sometimes aspirating stomach contents). It goes into the stomach. If the tape used to secure a NG tube comes loose the patient can easily pull it out.

An ET tube goes into the trachea to actively deliver an air/oxygen mixture into the lungs using a ventilator which makes the lungs inflate and then deflate, mimicking normal breathing.

A NG tube is important, but its removal is not in any way life threatening. An ET tube is critically important.

That poor woman.

She should have been reassured that the removal of the NG tube, and temporary removal of an oxygen mask (which just delivers a higher concentration of oxygen while the baby breathes for herself) is normal and not life threatening in any way.

Instead she’s been used as a pawn in a disgusting game.

edited for clarity and typo

Yes clearly ordinary people exploited for clickbait. I suppose the timing of the piece is context but it’s still the absolute pits. Just the sort of thing @Firefly1987 relishes to feed her salacious, witch hunting appetite.

Of course. The child is not going to have an oxygen mask and an ETT at the same time. Thank you.

@Firefly1987 , this sort of tube would be changed once a week on a neonatal ward. Nothing sinister.

Letby's ward had a mobile phone camera that the nurses used for photos like this.

This is just a story of a nurse doing something kind and sharing a photo with parents. That's all.

Yes but the difference is your friends knew their child's tube needed taking out for some reason (you might not know or remember why but I'm sure they do) the parents here had no idea this was going to happen LL just sent the photo to them with no explanation. If they had an explanation it wouldn't be suspicious...

Was it an NG tube or an ET tube?

Can you still not understand the difference, and therefore the significance of removal, despite you having it explained to you?

Don't you think they probably asked at the time, if they had questions?

It says he needed 24hr oxygen. It doesn't mention which type of tube. Why would it be NG when it was for breathing not food? The 40x figure is breathing tube dislodgements yes? Why are you trying to muddy things?

OR giving a voice to parents whose babies weren't in the trial but were more than likely harmed in a smaller way by LL. More stuff that makes her look guilty as hell, so you don't like it. Big surprise there.

They didn't know at the time, why are you making that assumption? They just received the photo.

it was a couple of days later that they thanked the nurse for it, and the nurse mentioned that "as we'd had to take the line out anyway I thought it would be a good time..."
It could easily not have been mentioned.

It said he had an oxygen mask. He would get oxygen that way. He would have either an oxygen mask or an ETT, not both. So if he had a tube and an oxygen mask, the tube wasn't an ETT.

Even if it was an ETT, people are tried for periods off them. After an accidental dislodgement, they are often left off for a while, with the child monitored. Same for any other form of ventilation.

I think we've said everything there is to say about this anecdote. I'm sorry the parents were so worried after the conviction, but it's natural they'd feel that way if they believed Lucy Letby was a murderer. Obviously, there's nothing to the story except a kindly gesture.

OK. There are actually two Chester Standard reports. The one I was reading involved a baby who was definitely being tube fed and using oxygen via a mask/ nasal tubes. This is the poor woman who was being misled and used by reporters.

In your article, the mum says the baby had no mask on and mentions tubes. This implies that the baby was on passive oxygen (mask/nasal cannula) and a NG tube for feeding.

Your leap to infer that the baby had been extubated is insane. It’s just not feasible that LL could have extubated and re-intubated the baby. I don’t believe intubation is a nursing skill (COVID times excepted) in any case - maybe a current nurse can keep me right on this.

And you're the one who accused the other poster of not wanting to engage in good faith??

You said 'can you explain it to me?' and then when people gave you possible reasons you launch into the same crap again 'you'll defend anything she does....".

Every time!!

Everything she does is being defended. Maybe she is just extra kind. Maybe this maybe that. Maybe she is a serial killer who has been found guilty.

But there was nothing sinister about the photo. I don't understand why you're both being weird about it. It was being kind, and honestly the parent saying otherwise just sounds a bit...misinformed.

Misinformed is indeed one interpretation. The article is deeply unsavoury. So many years later with their child unharmed and presumably thriving, and having been grateful for the gesture at the time, it’s hard to find a reason for them giving the interview which isn’t a bit…attention seeking maybe 🤔

There is another very distressing story re the treatment of baby J. Another of Letbys probable victims but there wasn't enough evidence to convict her. The parents refused to allow the baby back to the Countess of Chester hospital and could not understand why the management didn't act sooner.

Was there any evidence that Letby removed the stoma bag? Or that she was the nurse the parents spoke to on realising the stoma bag had come off?

I don't remember reading that.

Well I'm not surpised they didn't want her to go back to the COCH considering what they said about how different the standard of care was there compared to Alder Hey. , did you even read their statement from the inquiry?

Well I'm not a nurse I'm not an expert on all the kinds of breathing equipment a baby would need-I'm just going by the article. I agree it could've been clearer regarding what was actually removed. The parents seemed to think it should never have happened (whatever actual scenario it was) so why would I argue otherwise?

I'm not sure how you can possibly say the mother is being used by reporters! Presumably she contacted them as no one would've known about any of it otherwise.

Did you read the full article? About how there were other things that happened to their baby? About how he always seemed to go downhill when LL was on shift?

In another incident, the baby was found with an unusual amount of blood in his nappy when Letby was looking after him - which doctors could find no real cause. In a third incident, the infant suddenly collapsed inexplicably just as Letby was about to hand him over to night staff. Fortunately he recovered after a senior nurse took over and a doctor came to his aid.

And how she would get so angry when she didn't get to look after this baby. Totally normal professional behaviour there...

Wow just wow, I can't even believe what I'm reading. Attention seeking?! The parents who very likely had their child harmed? Is there anyone you won't go after in this case to defend Letby?

Letby was the designated nurse, but she wasn't the nurse that the mum spoke to at the time when she discovered that, she said there were 2 nurses and one of them was pregnant and she knew the other one had kids so she said to them 'you are mums, what would you do in this situation? Why has she been left like this?'.
She said they didn't really engage in discussion and that her and her husband made a complaint on that day.

And when they did complain it was turned around on them that maybe they were tired and stressed and should go home.

Their child wasn’t harmed and the tone of the article is sensationalist and in poor taste. It was also a long time after their child had been in hospital. You are the one dragging up anything and everything from the sewer level press so don’t wow me!

It's been explained to you in detail that there was absolutely nothing sinister about the photo and the baby was unharmed.

Wow just wow at your addiction to misinformation.