Page 11 | Ozzy Osbourne - we shouldn't speak ill of the dead but has his domestic abuse and serial infidelity been glossed over in all the eulogies?

mids2019 · 2025-07-23T20:03:57+00:00

Maybe because he was a rocker firm the 70s but it seems Ozzy's real character flaws have been warped into a 'charismatic hell raiser ' image to be admired. In reality should we also be critical about his actions and views?

crumblingschools · 26/07/2025 20:34

He’s admitted to all these horrible things

Goldenbear · 26/07/2025 20:40

beguilingeyes · 26/07/2025 20:23

There are a lot of armchair experts here who don't know anything about Black Sabbath but are also intimate experts in someone they never met's private life and every move.
See also The Beatles/John Lennon.

What do you mean by Armchair expert in this context?

DBSFstupid · 26/07/2025 20:46

Velmy · 26/07/2025 19:28

With all due respect - it didn't happen. The show was first broadcast in 2002. You are misremembering it.

Just use some common sense - Why would they need to 'cover up' something on a pre-recorded show? They just wouldn't have shown it in the first place.

People being 'stoned or pissed' while watching it is irrelevant. There are very strict regulations around broadcasting cruelty to animals. Channel 4 would not have been allowed to broadcast such footage.

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I don't agree. At all

Velmy · 26/07/2025 20:54

DBSFstupid · 26/07/2025 20:46

I don't agree. At all

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It doesn't matter if you agree or not, it didn't happen 😅

Sundaybananas · 26/07/2025 21:03

@DBSFstupid A lot of people felt like you did at the time. If you read some contemporaneous chatter from the time the episode aired it might help make sense of it?

At the time, reality tv was a brand new genre and they were making it up as they went along.

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DBSFstupid · 26/07/2025 21:28

Sundaybananas · 26/07/2025 21:03

@DBSFstupid A lot of people felt like you did at the time. If you read some contemporaneous chatter from the time the episode aired it might help make sense of it?

At the time, reality tv was a brand new genre and they were making it up as they went along.

https://jacqui.livejournal.com/399115.html?

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I'll have a look at it @Sundaybananas

user1476613140 · 27/07/2025 21:21

Brunettesmorefun · 25/07/2025 08:38

Well said.

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Definitely many HM fans are intelligent types. It does seem to attract the nicest people to this genre of music, many very tolerant and open minded. His music will live on. That's what's really important, the music.

Currently watching Back to the Beginning 9hr marathon gig. Slayer on. Great times🤟

xSideshowAuntSallyXx · 28/07/2025 06:52

MyHeartyCoralSnail · 24/07/2025 15:26

I find the MSM reaction to Ozzys passing really interesting as is the reaction of the people who aren’t part of the heavy metal community. They just don’t get it.

Generally that community is about the music, the lifestyle of the fans and the family that is the HM community.

Science has repeatedly shown that HM fans are some of the most intelligent (although there’s a chicken and egg argument about it), are the happiest and kindest fanbase, are the most loyal fans, they’re certainly erudite for the most part. HM lyrics are the most lyrically intelligent as a whole. People are generally chilled, accepting and forgiving. Many have very different perspectives on the world. People outside that community whether through prejudice, fear or just lack of understanding rarely “get it” A few weeks ago news circulated that a well known HM journalist was ill and he needed financial help. Within a few days £25,000 had been raised by fans.. if a long term fan is struggling to afford a ticket, it won’t be long before someone offers them one. It’s a community, it’s family. And just like any family members have their ups and downs but largely we forgive and forget, esp when people change. I can only think of one crime where a person would be permanently rejected by all.

Did everyone in the HM community know Ozzy did some bad things 40 plus years ago? Sure. But we’ve had 40 odd years of seeing Ozzy change to the point PETA have commented on his wonderful work on animal welfare. We know that HM and all the bands we love probably wouldn’t exist without Ozzy and Sabbath. We know he created, over the course of 7 decades, some amazing music that has been integral to our lives from teenagers to retirement (for some). It is part of who we are. That is what people are mourning. it’s a death of part of their lives, the death of something that’s shaped their lives. It’s the soundtrack of Friday nights hiding under bedclothes listening to Tommy Vance playing songs that took us away from the ostracisation we might have felt as teenagers (metalheads rarely fitted in at school). It’s the soundtrack of finding out first boyfriends/girlfriends and life partners, it’s the soundtrack of finding friends that finally got us and where we suddenly breathed with relief at finding home.

People outside that community might not get it, they might suddenly be horrified at what a man in his 70s did in his 20s because it’s new. They read headlines and don’t see the full picture. To us, for all his faults, Ozzy was family. We’ve lost one of our own.

But to us, people who reject the celebrity culture, who accept people change and value the impact music and its creators we value Ozzy for the impact he had on our lives. God bless you Ozzy - seems you’re still annoying the haters, the poseurs, the soundbite morons, the unbelievers from beyond the grave, and for that, we salute you.

Completely agree!

Music, (Heavy Metal, Grunge), has always been there for me. It got me through my teenage years, it got me through years of bullying. I was the odd one out at school (I was posh and into heavy metal, an easy target for bullies) and always retreated into music. I still clearly remember the night Kurt Cobain died, I remember the song on the radio and what I was doing. I met one of my best friends because he was a massive Nirvana fan and we just clicked, we were inseparable (my Dad mentioned him in his speech at my wedding so my parents still remember him 30+ years later). We went to many gigs and festivals together, and met many lovely and welcoming people.

It's the same with the Rave/Club scene, they all look out for each other, have each other's backs. Are a family.

Unless you're part of these things you don't understand. I've been privileged enough to be part of both.

crumblingschools · 28/07/2025 09:02

@user1476613140 was Ozzy the nicest person? He doesn’t seem to fit the HM persona described in that post

MyHeartyCoralSnail · 28/07/2025 19:45

crumblingschools · 28/07/2025 09:02

@user1476613140 was Ozzy the nicest person? He doesn’t seem to fit the HM persona described in that post

Actually as he got older he very much did fit that persona from what I’ve heard. As we’ve discussed in his younger years, he was very much troubled and Took to drink and drugs and did some bad things, no one is denying that. But he very much changed. Many people in the HM community often come to it because they haven’t fit in for one reason or another, many have had rough starts. But most find a supportive network and often change. People who change should be very much supported. You obviously don’t believe people can change or should be forgiven. That’s up to you. Thankfully many people think differently

crumblingschools · 28/07/2025 22:50

Not sure I would ever trust anyone who had tried to strangle their wife, no matter how much they try and convince me they have changed.

When you do safer recruitment safeguarding training for schools they tell you to be very wary of anyone who has evidence of abuse to animals as there is a recognised link to abuse to children/adults

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mids2019 · 29/07/2025 06:29

I think the concerning thing is that somehow you can buy a refresh of republic persons by public works. Russell Brand would probably argue he has given a great deal to charity and otherwise promote well being and therefore he hopes we go lightly with his reputation.

The horrible thing is doesn't this make us cynical about the virtuous charity raising man (Seville at the extreme). I now think anyone who seems to excessively jump on charity bandwagons has something to hide or there is some kind of redemptive urge.

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rubicustellitall · 29/07/2025 11:15

i just wonder,mainly to myself, how any woman would find any of the lifestyle remotely attractive in the dark days enough to think it was a good idea to bring children into that world?I couldn't .

RobertaFirmino · 29/07/2025 11:37

Ozzy admitted he was an arsehole of the highest order. He recognised that the drink/drugs affected his behaviour then he got clean and sober. Sharon forgave him (for the umpteenth time, I expect).

Neither of them glossed over events. They both told the truth. At no point did either of them minimise the behaviour.

It's a rare event when an abusive man changes. So I can see why people are concentrating on the man he became rather than the man he was.

ILoveBrum · 29/07/2025 13:45

I agree @RobertaFirmino

crumblingschools · 29/07/2025 14:14

@RobertaFirmino the obituaries glossed over the behaviour. Also, it's not just the spouse that is impacted by the behaviour, the children are too. All very well Sharon forgiving him but that doesn't help the kids being dragged up in dysfunctional family

MyHeartyCoralSnail · 29/07/2025 14:23

RobertaFirmino · 29/07/2025 11:37

Ozzy admitted he was an arsehole of the highest order. He recognised that the drink/drugs affected his behaviour then he got clean and sober. Sharon forgave him (for the umpteenth time, I expect).

Neither of them glossed over events. They both told the truth. At no point did either of them minimise the behaviour.

It's a rare event when an abusive man changes. So I can see why people are concentrating on the man he became rather than the man he was.

Well exactly- I’ve no idea why some posters on here are more concerned with a man’s actions from 40 years ago than the intervening period where he had clearly changed.

MyHeartyCoralSnail · 29/07/2025 14:27

crumblingschools · 29/07/2025 14:14

@RobertaFirmino the obituaries glossed over the behaviour. Also, it's not just the spouse that is impacted by the behaviour, the children are too. All very well Sharon forgiving him but that doesn't help the kids being dragged up in dysfunctional family

Well Jack and Kelly (and from what I understand Amiee) seem fairly OK and seemed very close to their Dad.

Why do you think the obituaries wouldn’t concentrate on the good. That’s what they do all the time.

user1476613140 · 29/07/2025 14:33

rubicustellitall · 29/07/2025 11:15

i just wonder,mainly to myself, how any woman would find any of the lifestyle remotely attractive in the dark days enough to think it was a good idea to bring children into that world?I couldn't .

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Being raised in a chaotic household is their "normal". Sharon probably didn't know any different.

crumblingschools · 29/07/2025 15:36

@MyHeartyCoralSnail both Kelly and Jack are recovering addicts, including heroin. Wouldn't want that for my DC

MyHeartyCoralSnail · 29/07/2025 17:00

crumblingschools · 29/07/2025 15:36

@MyHeartyCoralSnail both Kelly and Jack are recovering addicts, including heroin. Wouldn't want that for my DC

Many rich kids dabble in drugs. I doubt Sharon and Ozzy wanted it for their kids either. Although clearly they have been supported by their parents in overcoming their addictions and they all appear to be a very loving family.

DBSFstupid · 29/07/2025 19:43

DBSFstupid · 26/07/2025 21:28

I'll have a look at it @Sundaybananas

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I've looked at it and think it is BS. @Sundaybananas.

Recyclejunkie · 30/07/2025 22:28

It's a choice to take those drugs

Velmy · 30/07/2025 23:52

DBSFstupid · 29/07/2025 19:43

I've looked at it and think it is BS. @Sundaybananas.

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What is it that you think is BS, given that multiple people have told you that you're incorrect, and you're unable to provide a shred of evidence to the contrary?

Here's fun: Post a link to the episode of The Osbournes that you claim shows a dog having its neck broken. When you do, I will donate £1,000 to the animal charity of your choice. Every episode is available unedited on Amazon Prime, FYI.

Velmy · 30/07/2025 23:58

rubicustellitall · 29/07/2025 11:15

i just wonder,mainly to myself, how any woman would find any of the lifestyle remotely attractive in the dark days enough to think it was a good idea to bring children into that world?I couldn't .

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Sharon was as big of a head case herself back in the day, and was hell bent on making herself a success in the eyes of her father.

The whole 'Ozzy biting animals heads' off' thing only happened twice, and she was almost certainly behind one of them, and allegedly behind the other.

She put their family on MTV when Ozzy was in no fit state to consent.

Ozzy Osbourne - we shouldn't speak ill of the dead but has his domestic abuse and serial infidelity been glossed over in all the eulogies?

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