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Firefly1987 · 19/07/2025 21:35

@CJFJ1 BBC news are now reporting on it?! I know they're clearly the two most terrible evil people in the world right now for having an affair, but surely the BBC has some real news to actually report?

FairyMaclary · 19/07/2025 22:21

Putting a loved one at risk of a life altering std is abuse.

Not allowing them to consent to being in a non Monogamous relationship is abuse.

Gaslighting and lying to their face every day is abuse.

Cheating can cause a form of PTSD (pisd) in the betrayed. It is horrific to watch the weight loss, the repetition needed to process, the gaslighting and trickle truth. The lack of belief in self, fear to trust. The trip to the std clinic to make sure they don’t have hiv or another nasty std or hpv. That they haven’t maybe passed something onto a breast fed baby or toddler or their newborn.

Affairs aren’t sexy or cool - they are cheap. And they are abusive.

Lundy Bancroft covers men who cheat in several places in his book ‘why does he do that’. Some people cheat to punish their spouses. Others due to entitlement. Some because they have poor boundaries. But for all it’s a choice made after many micro decisions. And they hide it because they know it’s wrong.

Zov · 19/07/2025 22:39

Excellent post @FairyMaclary ^ 👏

Vvbs · 19/07/2025 22:41

MuckFusk · 19/07/2025 21:17

You may not see it that way, but lots of other people do, which makes it justifiable, by your own reasoning, to try to clean the cheater out. Not that they ever really succeed anyway. The family courts don't care about justice for a wronged spouse. They just divide the assets as the law dictates they should be divided.

They might "see it" as abuse. But it really isn't. It's breaking an agreement. It's really shitty. But it's not abuse.

Given that the CEO is an American he probably has a good prenup.

ItDoesntHaveToBeASnowman · 19/07/2025 22:43

As entertaining as this has been, I don’t really understand why it’s news..?

pearcrumblee · 19/07/2025 22:48

BBC should be reporting actual news, not the latest fad on twittter.

TheCheekyCyanHelper · 19/07/2025 22:56

Bunny65 · 19/07/2025 02:52

i read that she was divorced but he has wife and kids

No, she remarried in 2023. Just bought a house with him!

TheCheekyCyanHelper · 19/07/2025 22:59

Vvbs · 19/07/2025 13:13

But what if the relationship was completely consensual?

Breaks the code of ethics most companies have these days. Most have rules about those in leadership dating within the company. Dating married people within the company is a nightmare. The CEO having an affair with the married head of HR is a public relations shtstorm.

Bobafett2020 · 19/07/2025 23:37

MuckFusk · 19/07/2025 21:17

You may not see it that way, but lots of other people do, which makes it justifiable, by your own reasoning, to try to clean the cheater out. Not that they ever really succeed anyway. The family courts don't care about justice for a wronged spouse. They just divide the assets as the law dictates they should be divided.

That's because fortunately divorce settlements aren't about justice. They are about she equal sharing of assets in a fair way, taking into account each sides contributions and ongoing needs. Its ridiculous, and really regressive, to suggest that the settlement should be used as some sort of revenge.

IJWMM · 19/07/2025 23:41

Bobafett2020 · 19/07/2025 19:19

I know I am in a minority here but I find this public shaming really nasty, and why are you outing the womans husband on the internet?
Yes having affairs is not great behaviour but its not illegal, we dont actually stone or brandish adulterers anymore, or put them in the stocks. We all read enough statistics to know that a sizable proportion of the pearl clutchers have had affairs themselves. This couple made poor decisions and behaved badly to their partners (assuming they were not in open marriages) but really its nobody else business and they don't deserve to have their lives ruined in some bizzare game of thrones style public pile on.
Personally I'm judging anybody who is joining in with this. It reminds me of the ridiculous Strictly fiasco where the couple had to actually come on TV to publicly apologise to the population of the UK for having a consensual kiss. Worth remembering that he had suicidal thoughts following this.

Eh? Not sure why you singled out my post here. And I certainly haven’t outed the woman’s husband.

I stand by what I posted though.

Bobafett2020 · 20/07/2025 00:03

IJWMM · 19/07/2025 23:41

Eh? Not sure why you singled out my post here. And I certainly haven’t outed the woman’s husband.

I stand by what I posted though.

Sorry it was somebody else in the quote thread who did that, I thought i was quoting them but must have clicked the wrong thing

MuckFusk · 20/07/2025 01:50

Bobafett2020 · 19/07/2025 23:37

That's because fortunately divorce settlements aren't about justice. They are about she equal sharing of assets in a fair way, taking into account each sides contributions and ongoing needs. Its ridiculous, and really regressive, to suggest that the settlement should be used as some sort of revenge.

I agree that family court is not the place to do that. However, it is far from ridiculous to think a wronged person is owed compensation for the harm done. For that reason I think you should be able to sue your spouse for cheating.

MuckFusk · 20/07/2025 01:57

Vvbs · 19/07/2025 22:41

They might "see it" as abuse. But it really isn't. It's breaking an agreement. It's really shitty. But it's not abuse.

Given that the CEO is an American he probably has a good prenup.

Again, that is your opinion.
Many others don't share it. You aren't the arbiter of what is and is not abuse for everyone else on the planet.

If by that you mean it's not abuse under the law, that is of course correct. But then any kind of emotional abuse is perfectly legal. That doesn't mean the behaviour isn't abusive and doesn't cause harm, just because it's not a crime.

MuckFusk · 20/07/2025 02:00

FairyMaclary · 19/07/2025 22:21

Putting a loved one at risk of a life altering std is abuse.

Not allowing them to consent to being in a non Monogamous relationship is abuse.

Gaslighting and lying to their face every day is abuse.

Cheating can cause a form of PTSD (pisd) in the betrayed. It is horrific to watch the weight loss, the repetition needed to process, the gaslighting and trickle truth. The lack of belief in self, fear to trust. The trip to the std clinic to make sure they don’t have hiv or another nasty std or hpv. That they haven’t maybe passed something onto a breast fed baby or toddler or their newborn.

Affairs aren’t sexy or cool - they are cheap. And they are abusive.

Lundy Bancroft covers men who cheat in several places in his book ‘why does he do that’. Some people cheat to punish their spouses. Others due to entitlement. Some because they have poor boundaries. But for all it’s a choice made after many micro decisions. And they hide it because they know it’s wrong.

Pure truth.
The only thing I would add is not just the risk of a life altering STD, but a potentially deadly one. There is no way taking that risk with somebody else's health is anything but abuse.

FrodoBiggins · 20/07/2025 02:04

MuckFusk · 20/07/2025 01:57

Again, that is your opinion.
Many others don't share it. You aren't the arbiter of what is and is not abuse for everyone else on the planet.

If by that you mean it's not abuse under the law, that is of course correct. But then any kind of emotional abuse is perfectly legal. That doesn't mean the behaviour isn't abusive and doesn't cause harm, just because it's not a crime.

There's an interesting bit in Mark Ronson's book "so you've been publicly shamed" where he says something like "think about the worst thing you have ever done to someone, and the worst thing that anyone has ever done to you", and then do the same exercise about crimes. I know for me the worst crime I have done is smoking weed, the worst done to me was being mugged for my phone. Both are miles away from being the worst things which I ever did, or which anyone ever did to me. The most terrible and harmful behaviour often isn't a criminal offence.

FrodoBiggins · 20/07/2025 02:05

MuckFusk · 20/07/2025 01:50

I agree that family court is not the place to do that. However, it is far from ridiculous to think a wronged person is owed compensation for the harm done. For that reason I think you should be able to sue your spouse for cheating.

iirc you used to be able to sue for breach of a contract to marry (ie getting engaged and then breaking it off)

FrodoBiggins · 20/07/2025 02:07

FrodoBiggins · 20/07/2025 02:05

iirc you used to be able to sue for breach of a contract to marry (ie getting engaged and then breaking it off)

When I say iirc I mean from law school, I wasn't alive in the Victorian period.

Hang on having typed that I went to check when the law changed and it was only 1970! From wiki - "The last prominent case was in 1969, when Eva Haraldsted sued George Best, a prominent footballer, for breach of promise."

MuckFusk · 20/07/2025 02:12

FrodoBiggins · 20/07/2025 02:04

There's an interesting bit in Mark Ronson's book "so you've been publicly shamed" where he says something like "think about the worst thing you have ever done to someone, and the worst thing that anyone has ever done to you", and then do the same exercise about crimes. I know for me the worst crime I have done is smoking weed, the worst done to me was being mugged for my phone. Both are miles away from being the worst things which I ever did, or which anyone ever did to me. The most terrible and harmful behaviour often isn't a criminal offence.

Edited

Agree. There are two things which are neck and neck for the worst thing anyone has ever done to me and one of them was legal.
I'll have to think on what's the worst thing I've ever done. Thanks for giving me food for thought.

MuckFusk · 20/07/2025 02:14

FrodoBiggins · 20/07/2025 02:05

iirc you used to be able to sue for breach of a contract to marry (ie getting engaged and then breaking it off)

We also used to be able to sue the affair partner for alienation of affection.

Vvbs · 20/07/2025 11:20

MuckFusk · 20/07/2025 01:57

Again, that is your opinion.
Many others don't share it. You aren't the arbiter of what is and is not abuse for everyone else on the planet.

If by that you mean it's not abuse under the law, that is of course correct. But then any kind of emotional abuse is perfectly legal. That doesn't mean the behaviour isn't abusive and doesn't cause harm, just because it's not a crime.

So I was correct all along.

Zov · 20/07/2025 11:31

pearcrumblee · 19/07/2025 22:48

BBC should be reporting actual news, not the latest fad on twittter.

Why should the BBC not report on this? It makes a change from all the news about wars. The news has been saturated with news on war for the past 3-4 years. For some people, this is a bit of a break from it.

CortadoPlease · 20/07/2025 11:33

CreationNat1on · 19/07/2025 13:55

The amount of attention it is generating is really odd.

Agreed. Who truly gives a toss about two complete randoms - affair or not (except for their partners)? It’s like the world is bored. It was even mentioned on BBC World Service ffs.🤦‍♀️

Arran2024 · 20/07/2025 11:42

CortadoPlease · 20/07/2025 11:33

Agreed. Who truly gives a toss about two complete randoms - affair or not (except for their partners)? It’s like the world is bored. It was even mentioned on BBC World Service ffs.🤦‍♀️

It is acting as a public service notification to employees everywhere!

Bobafett2020 · 20/07/2025 13:06

FrodoBiggins · 20/07/2025 02:05

iirc you used to be able to sue for breach of a contract to marry (ie getting engaged and then breaking it off)

This is all starting to sound a bit handmaid's tale to me

MarySueSaidBoo · 20/07/2025 13:14

It was amusing initially, but there are now two families having their entire lives dissected online for entertainment. I can't say I'm remotely comfortable with it.... and hopefully those cheating on partners won't be doing so at concerts going forwards. These two have learned a very public hard lesson over this.