Thread 27 Starmer: He's a very clever cat

[DuncinToffee]

A nod to the Chief Mouser

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I can’t believe this, it’s worthy of Reform 😔

Meanwhile, Farage has admitted he was "slightly inaccurate on the details" on GBeebies, but apparently "the gist" of what he was saying was right. Because, APPARENTLY, bussing people to a protest is fundamentally the same as maintaining the peace when a group that wants to protest turns up.

https://bsky.app/profile/sturdyalex.bsky.social/post/3lunv4w4sqc2p

Pretty casual with truth isn’t he.
More than happy to put the police in harms way.

For God's sake. The might as well dust off May's Go Home bus, too.

What is wrong with them? All they are doing is turning off their own voters.

As for Farage, I think he will be the cause of something (else) bad happening. But he will wriggle out of the blame.

That advert is terrible - really don’t like the immigration policies/comms of Labour.

Because, of course they did...

https://www.jewishnews.co.uk/reform-uk-council-candidate-accused-of-attending-neo-nazi-summer-camp/

"Reform UK faced a significant number of revelations about highly problematic candidates ahead of the general election in 2024. Nigel Farage subsequently blamed a vetting company the party had used at the time and announced that the party would be instituting a more rigorous vetting system. But in March of this year there were reports of significant unhappiness from the party’s rank and file at ‘extreme vetting’. Earlier this month, Farage contacted all party members to tell them that the party would be introducing a new vetting system, which he described as a “blank state”. In the message, the Reform UK leader said that “if you have previously failed vetting, you are strongly encouraged to reapply under the new standards”, which implies the new system may be less stringent than the old".

So neo Nazis welcome to reapply?

This boils my fucking piss. I just wrote a long reply and deleted it. If those employers aren't following the law, then the directors should go to prison.

I would expect those companies to do due diligence around rtw. It's not a difficult process, it's part of my day job. If the home office sorts out its record keeping it would be easier to stay compliant.
The government needs a better audit system to pick up illegal workers.

Oh well done Labour <slow hand clap>
Scary shadowed figure - check
Playing on stereotypes around delivery bike riders - check
Ignoring the fact there are existing procedures that companies need to be following - check

Shouldn't it read 'Delivered by whom?'

Perhaps that isn't the most important take away (pun intended) from that poster - but I really would have thought that Starmer could do better.

The govt minister on Sky yesterday, didn't seem to want to crack down on employers and/or withdraw the right to asylum from people who work illegally...and are committing fraud, by taking someone else's account.

...She was all about "Working with the industry" like high street food outlets and Deliveroo etc are going to give a fuck about who is making them money.

Looks like the French are right, the issue is our "pull factors"

The government can and do go after small business owners for employing illegal workers (chip shop owner fined £40,000 for example) so why not do the same with Deliveroo etc.

I really doubt that being a delivery rider is big pull factor. Simple solution, allow asylum seekers to work legally.

Simple solution, allow asylum seekers to work legally.

This would make so much sense.

Oops

https://bsky.app/profile/sundersays.bsky.social/post/3lup44zx6mk2f

Lionel Shriver's Times polemic against both legal and illegal migration even reports that she has now overstayed her residency renewal date in Portugal, so is in "residency limbo"

Couldn’t happen to a nicer person. 😂

Hahaha.

Who remembers the scene from Schindlers List of Amon Goth taking pot shots at children who were allowed to run through the grounds near the camp ?

This was specifically stopped by I think iirc the Blair government to prevent them undercutting UK job seekers

She says she is crap at languages, so obviously hasn't bothered to learn the local one.

Also, what is "British Culture"? The Reform lot bang on about that, but can never define it.

A cross party parliamentary group produced a report last year advising the then Conservative government to allow asylum seekers to work. It said that the current system was designed to push them into poverty in the hope that was a deterrent but that wasn't working.
The Conservatives didnt take any notice of the report and neither have Labour.

Would allowing asylum seekers to work legally, be another pull to come here?

I think the food delivery thing is likely to be the tip of the iceberg, it is incredibly easy to work in the UK's economy, so why work legally, paying tax on an emergency code for possibly a short time whilst asylum case heard, when you can work tax free?

Who would take you on for such a short time?

Labour need to get a handle on X channel migration as its drowning out everything else they are doing

It’s being used to drown out everything else they are doing. In the grand scheme of immigration and government expense it’s really not a major deal. If they ‘fix’ that (what would a fix look like?) the RW press will pull another spurious issue out of the hat.

Would allowing asylum seekers to work legally, be another pull to come here?

The response to that is to process asylum applications within (say) 4 weeks. Once accepted you can work, rejected it's back to (presumably) France.

However in a country where it can take 6 weeks to see a doctor and 1 year to see a consultant, that level of resource deployment brings it's own problems.

And tackling the problem in the UK is a bit dim anyway. If we really wanted to sort the problem (spoiler alert: we don't) then working to improve the lives back in the countries people are fleeing would be a much better investment. However it would be much harder for people to milk the system for their private companies that have infected the process that way.

It would be entirely possible to create a graph showing that the number of people seeking asylum is indirectly proportional to the UKs foreign aid budget.

They are not going to get a grip on it any time soon, just like the previous government didn't manage for 6 years.

The narrative needs to be changed but it suits many people to keep it.

https://news.sky.com/story/why-do-so-many-from-around-the-world-try-to-cross-the-english-channel-13394345

The major pull factors to the. U.K. are

1. the language. It’s a common second/third language around t(e world, particularly in places where we’ve had a presence.
2. the perception that British police are fair and honest and British people are not as racist as many places. I might disagree with this, but it’s a perception I’ve heard on podcasts etc with people who have spoken to refugees.

I don’t think there’s much we can do about 1 and 2 isn’t something we would want to alter, is it? Though Farage and crew are doing their best on that I suppose.