Thread 27 Starmer: He's a very clever cat

[DuncinToffee]

A nod to the Chief Mouser

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As an absolute figure I’m sure that is right. But that is not what the figures will when you look at nationals convicted and where they come from, then it’s going to shock people.

I don’t agree with Reform but pretending that there is not an issue with foreign nationals offending in the UK is wrong. It’s been clear for over a decade. Nothing has been done, and when the figures are released, a lot of people are going to say “I knew it”.

Labour had better have a very good idea about how they will manage it.

Prison stats from March 2025

76,663 British Nationals

10,838 Foreign nationals

Yet 1/7th of the population are not foreign nationals..

There is something much deeper at work here. Not that we'll ever find out with the racket the drooling racists are making.

It is indeed around 1/7 ie 13.4% in last census 2021 so likely a little more now

But that includes dual nationals, I believe ?

Now I am a Reform voter, relieved of the burden of dong any research, I wonder how that prison population figure accounts for that ?

ECHR is becoming the same red herring as the EU was. Convenient to blame it for the fact we have the weakest politicians and the most liberal judges. There's no political will, so before you know it Nigel Farage is Prime Minister because Starmer the human rights lawyer has no interest in deporting anyone. They'll pay 5 grand for someone to leave after overstaying their visa just to make it look like they're doing something.

We're the joke of the world.

Not to mention our ridiculously lax sentencing.

A lot of foreigners are escaping prison for heinous crimes, or get pathetically short sentences.

A lot of foreigners are escaping prison for heinous crimes, or get pathetically short sentences.

Proof of that statement?

Ah yes, those pesky woke tofu eating judges

Are you saying foreigners get lower sentences for the same crime than Brits? Evidence or it didn't happen.

JFC. AS is a very useful tool.

I don’t think you will find any evidence that a foreign national gets a lesser sentence than a British one. The evidence is likely the other way around. But crime is so individual that like for like crime and circumstances are nearly impossible.

What does need looking at is sentencing for violent and sexual offending. Particularly against women and girls. Now that is pathetic, and sex offending should be getting you custody. The fact it doesn’t in many cases is outrageous. So too with domestic violence. That isn’t deal with properly either.

Neither are party political. Both Labour and Tory are just as full of shit as the other on this stuff. Neither party in my lifetime has done anything to really deal with the light sentencing given to these damaging crimes. I never believe any government that claims they will address violence against women and children. How different the UK would be if that were true.

So you think that there are less dual nationals in prison than in the general population?

14% [prison] vs 13.5% [general pop] non UK nationals is just a coincidence?

The obvious confounding factor is that non-UK nationals are not evenly distributed within the UK - and some are more visible/ more stigmatised than others

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/jul/21/keir-starmer-to-replace-post-ministerial-jobs-watchdog-with-tougher-regime

Abolishing ACOBA, the “toothless” post-ministerial jobs watchdog.
Financial penalties to be imposed on those who break the rules.
New independent Ethics & Integrity commission to oversee standards in public life.
Ministers will only get a pay-off if they serve more than six months.

As I indicated, I'm so done with facts. 😀

The less confrontational answer is simply, I don't know. Just presenting numbers with very little (if no) context as the media does means all of us have to do that much more work to understand them - eventually you just wear out.

Meanwhile, untroubled by the nuances of statistics, or indeed any connection to reality, the mob bays on.

Somedays it can wash over. Somedays it can leave you with no will to live.

Hmm. Some interesting points.

I don't think Farage will be PM. Reform is already losing some of the council seats it won.

Are you saying Reform will be paying people £5 k? Or Labour? It is a bit unclear.

Meanwhile, interesting to note that a court ruled the superinjunction about Afghans was to be lifted last year on 21st May.

The election was called on 22nd May.

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/rishi-sunak-afghan-data-leak-395740/

Philps got granted an UQ to ask the Home Secretary if she will make a statement on criminal activity by migrants at asylum hotels'

Shadow Home Sec had one sentence saying 'violent protest in response to those appalling crimes is never justified; the public though are rightly sick of this illegal immigrant crime wave: it has to end'

Asks her to close the hotel, repeal ECHR + deport all arrivals without judicial process

MAGA is calling

Why are there not protests about British Nationals who commit crimes that involve violence against women and children?

Obviously when non British Nationals are involved in drug crimes no one protests.

Save our children protests are exploitative. For a purpose to other. How do these people get there and organise. It's through local apps.

Why are there not protests about British Nationals who commit crimes that involve violence against women and children?

Maybe they all vote Reform ?

I think you're giving the more credit than they deserve regards to the voting. Though it would be good to know how many voted Reform via postal vote.

People who vote Reform are mainly disaffected Tory voters, though I do agree that the same can be applied to Labour voters too.

Starmer is. The odd voluntary departure from a visa overstay but we won't deport criminals and failed asylum seekers and hide behind ECHR. It's weak politicians and the worlds softest judges.

And your evidence is?

Why are there not protests about British Nationals who commit crimes that involve violence against women and children?

I suspect that the people that go on these protests wouldn't, er, like to see that happen...