Why do some countries feel they’re entitled to hold nuclear weapons and others can’t?

[Changingplace]

Considering the USA is the only country ever to have used a nuclear weapon on war, why do some countries consider themselves entitled to them and others not?

Especially considering the more recent instability of the US, much as I might not agree with the politics of countries who don’t hold them/are stopped from developing them, surely they’re within their rights to be able to defend themselves in the same way as anyone else?

Israel should be disarmed by the United Nations and Iran should be made to permit international investigations to ensure they make no nuclear weapons.

We know that Iran was flouting agreements about building nuclear weaponry. What do you think we should do about that?

What evidence do you have?

If Israel disarms, Israel will cease to exist. I think the Israelis would strongly resist that happening.

Do you mean the Iran that was willing to sign NPT and was allowing international oversight before Trump based on and destroyed all the work of Democrats (Obama)?
Also, Israel’s nukes are the worst kept secret in the world and they have fully demonstrated the atrocities their regime is capable of.

Both of these countries need reigning in. And yesterday.

It’s the same ‘strong’ evidence that we had for the weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. That is, zero. 😂

Because from the IAEA investigations we know that Iran enriched uranium beyond the 3.67% cap allowed under the JCPOA 2015 nuclear deal.

i meant disarmed of nukes. Israel must allow international investigators on their ground, must be made to sign the NPT at the very least.
Iran must be brought back to the table.
not gonna happen while Trump is there. It’s working out well for him, isn’t it?

Is it that investigations and rules should be implemented to thwart Iran from becoming a nuclear power or is it that you don't trust investigations that thwart Iran from becoming a nuclear power? Try picking one.

We have adequate rules and regulations but neither Israel nor Iran will follow them. So both should be made to abandon their nuclear programmes. Both should be investigated and have sanctions imposed if found guilty.

And Israel has never even permitted any international investigations whether they have these weapons. Seeing what Netenyahu and his regime is, not beyond them to nuke Iran.
so yeah, both must be disarmed and yesterday.

Oh, so not a sham then? Is this evidence stronger than the evidence of weapons of mass destruction then? If you do think so, maybe you could apologise for suggesting I made up my statement for sport.

Wasn't that in 2019? In March, Tulsi Gabbard said the US “continues to assess that Iran is not building nuclear weapons and Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei has not authorised the nuclear weapons programme he suspended in 2003”.

The US and Iran were discussing a new deal in exchange for lifting sanctions.

You said you have evidence. I said both must be investigated because one is not permitting any international investigations and the other is very likely lying already. Both ruled by rogue regimes and both need reigning in so sense can prevail somehow.

So, when people say that Iran should be held accountable through investigation - and it has been - don't you think that is pertinent?

Are you aware that Khamenei decades ago issued a fatwa - religious edict - against the development of nuclear weaponry in Iran? I suppose that doesn’t fit your conflation of Islam with aggression though, does it? Which nuclear-weapon-holding power in the Middle East has shown zero restraint over the past nearly two years? Why not mention the religion they claim to justify their occupation of land and genocide? The actions of Israel and the complicity in those actions by the US and allies like the UK have been thoroughly proven to flout international law entirely, but I suppose international law and human rights are only the domain of non-Muslim nations and people?

Until the orange Buffon waded in with his heavy interests in the military industrial complex of the U.S.
I mean what can go wrong. 😑

It is pertinent. And they were very close to signing the treaty till Trump tore everything Obama had built with the Irani side.
And he was all like ‘oh there wouldn’t be war on my watch!’. But MAGA will rather die than admit they were wrong. 😂

So, now there is evidence of Iran building nuclear bombs and it's not at all like the 'weapons of mass destruction' distraction? Are we both in agreement on that now?

To be fair, France has just removed Israel from their weapons exhibition/show. Australia wants to sign defence treaties with the EU and not with the U.S. and the wording of their statements is very interesting also.
UK must follow suit.

Hopefully, the tide is turning.

What benefit is there in the performance of signing a treaty when it has been mobilising to become a nuclear power long before Trump was elected?

You will only find any evidence if both sides back down and allow international oversight. Iran has a history of doing that. Israel has not.

You're just saying words now. The answer is yes or no.

Because I'm not wasting breath on the circular logic of the ideologically blind.

There's no evidence of that.