Why do some countries feel they’re entitled to hold nuclear weapons and others can’t?

[Changingplace]

Considering the USA is the only country ever to have used a nuclear weapon on war, why do some countries consider themselves entitled to them and others not?

Especially considering the more recent instability of the US, much as I might not agree with the politics of countries who don’t hold them/are stopped from developing them, surely they’re within their rights to be able to defend themselves in the same way as anyone else?

Funnily enough, your list has a top name missing: the country being ruled by war criminal naps as per the ICC.

and last time I checked, the whole region was destabilised, especially after 9/11, when USA started an illegal war in Iraq without any evidence.
Guess who is following suit now without producing evidence? Israel.

May I ask why have you avoided all my questions about whose weapons are being sold to arm both sides?

Are you in the U.K.? Which top three states would you say MI5 are concerned about?

I will repeat: war criminal regimes obsessed with land grabs cannot be trusted to spread world peace.

on the contrary, we must ask for their motives and must investigate them and ban them.

like I said upthread, France has removed Israeli exhibition from their show and it is beginning thankfully (I hope!).

I wouldn't bother arguing with people who don't believe in international law and think states should act with impunity.

It won't. Most westen countries will condemn for the sake of diplomacy and then go home and sigh in relief.

Quite. How many people have suffered and died in the ME as a consequence of Iran’s mad theocratic regime? Israel and Saudi Arabia were progressing towards ‘normalising relations’ - when Oct 7 happened. Do you think the other ME countries want Iran and their proxies destabilising the whole region? No, they are happy enough to sit back and let Israel take on Iran.

Thank you @Abra1t for sharing that article.

Edited to say I intended to quote @User37482 at the beginning of my comment.

Sorry but I cannot trust MI5 and the Labour government with being on the right side of history. Wasn’t Blair sure as hell that Iraq had WMDs? Where has that led to?
Now the Israelis regime, consisting of war criminals as per international bodies, is crying wolf. Do I trust them. No, not at all. In fact, I suspect them and they must be investigated as to why they have initiated this.

Again, you are avoiding my point about who is arming Israel and Iran and who is getting the profit from selling all these weapons?

I am sure you mean Israel by this, the ones who attacked Iran first and are being run by war criminals as per ICC?

I should add to my post above:

The ones that have killed thousands of children in Gaza while doing blatant land grabs and firing at interventions diplomats.

Yup, I trust them with world peace. 😂

I'm not talking about countries, I'm talking about posters who think the world is the wild west and countries should invade others without consequence. I'm sure they agree with Putin invading Ukraine. Why not?

I am also sure Israel were thinking of all flowers and rainbows when they initiated that Iran attack.

in other news, Trump has become a decent human being overnight.

This is what you call “a really good article”? The only “death cult” in the Middle East is Israel. Or does Palestinian life and therefore death not count?

listen to the actions, not words.

Trump, Netenyahu, Khameni, Putin - what is the common thread? Where is the money from the sale of all these weapons going?

I'm completely anti war, but if such things exist, presumably primarily as a deterrent, then it's only fair everyone should have it. All or nothing.

It would be better if they just all agreed not to, but as it stands I can't blame those who want what the other team's got.

Also the 'defence' industry is massively lucrative. UK companies make bombs and warheads etc and sell them to their 'enemies'.

It's really wrong in every way.

its so disheartening to see Keir Starmer so spineless.
The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have directly led to waves upon waves of migration to the West, affecting mostly European countries incidentally and not the U.S. or Israel!

And here we are full circle again.

I find some posts on here concerning tbh. You seem to dismiss Mi5 reports on hostile states' terrorist activity and Iran having nuclear weapons is not an issue.

There seems to be SM activity supporting those who are against us.

I think you asked another poster the last question.

Question: Who comprises the UN's army?

Answer: They borrow from member states, mostly the US. They are also wholly dependent on the US to fund all of their "peacekeeping" missions.

Now figure the odds on the US forcibly dismantling Israel's nuclear capability. Not gonna happen under any president, republican or democrat.

I am questioning MI5 and the Labour government based on their record in assessing who in the Mid East has weapons of mass destruction.
As a British citizen paying a huge amount of tax, do you think I have no right to ask where my money is going, especially considering how wrong g these two have been in past and how UK has faced the resultant migration?

Why do you think British citizens have no right to questions their own government and demand evidence before they lead our soldiers and our weapons and tax money to another war started on false premises?

Why do I not have this right?

i agree it is all very disheartening.

But at least we can hope.

After seeing the No Kings protests in the U.S., I am cautiously feeling optimistic. We cannot give up now. We are already on a slippery slope where we, the people, didn’t want to be.

It is Trump and Netanyahu and Putin and Khameni.

It is not us or the people of their respective countries.

I agree re Labour, I think they have war mongered in the past and use it now at times for gain.

However I question your view on Mi5. This is from a security speech from the head last year.

'Since January 2022, with police partners, we have responded to twenty Iran-backed plots presenting potentially lethal threats to British citizens and UK residents.'

Do you think that's not true? And if so would you stop being vigilant against future threat to the UK from Iran?

You didn't answer my question.

And you echoed the blood libel.

The problem with agreeing that no-one should have them is that countries like Iran will continue to have (or want to have) them…. So what good would an agreement like that be? So it seems reasonable that the countries who do have them try and control who can have them based on some sort of agreement.

I am sure MI5 have done a good job in thwarting these threats. However, it does not at all mean we support an all-out attack on Iran by Israel without demanding solid proof.

Russia has done loads of terrorist activities within the U.K. and we have not attacked them, and rightly so too. I am also sure Israeli Mossad is doing similar on Iran’s soil.

This is one more of my fears: U.K. could become a ground for proxy wars between these two countries. So we need to stop this madness at the source and bring both to a negotiation table. An all out war is only strengthening their respective murderous regimes and this is not going to do anyone any good, including the U.K.
It is of course very good for Trump. His links to this escalation are obvious and must be investigated in depth. It is very convenient timing for both him and the Israeli regime. Why?

Which question? Sorry I am writing while eating a very cheesy sandwich so might have been distracted! 😂

Has anyone ever seen "The mouse that roared" - about a small country that everyone thinks has a new super weapon that could destroy another country?

Or Dr Strangelove - all about the atomic bomb

Nuclear weapons are strange things - countries spend a fortune on a weapon they will never use because they hope that another country with such a weapon would also never use it - as that would be destruction for them as well