Why do some countries feel they’re entitled to hold nuclear weapons and others can’t?

[Changingplace]

Considering the USA is the only country ever to have used a nuclear weapon on war, why do some countries consider themselves entitled to them and others not?

Especially considering the more recent instability of the US, much as I might not agree with the politics of countries who don’t hold them/are stopped from developing them, surely they’re within their rights to be able to defend themselves in the same way as anyone else?

Can you answer a question? Before Russia attacked Ukraine, there was all indication that Zelenskyy will lose the next election.

Given the choice again, do you think Ukrainians will choose to keep their nuclear programme going? I believe they will. Will they elect Zelenskyy again?

This is the situation the maniacs Netenyahu and Trump have put the Iranian people in.
In their sheer thirst for blood and lands and minerals, they may actually unite the Iranians behind their current regime.

I forgot to ask: your post implies that Iran not having nukes will be unfair. Am I correct?

Bear in mind that the Iranian government has had the stated aim of destroying Israel for decades now. What should Israel sit and do? Wait for Iran to roll out the nukes?

You might find this article interesting:
https://www.thetimes.com/comment/columnists/article/israel-knows-what-we-wont-accept-the-mullahs-want-nuclear-war-7m89m099l

I don’t know about you but I am not feeling too kindly toward the Israeli war criminal regime and totally wish to eradicate them off the face of earth after what they have done and are doing in Gaza and to Palestinians and the rest of the countries around them.

Very good timing to cry nukes, is it not?

I don’t think you know what “death cult” meant in that argument.

Iran’s deranged leaders are a death cult because they encourage their own people to kill themselves. Their own deaths are a positive outcome because they become martyrs rewarded in the afterlife. They used preteen children as cannon fodder and suicide weapons by convincing they they would sit with Mohammed in the afterlife.

The war criminal Netanyahu isn’t part of a death cult, he’s just a murderous bastard.

Your minimising of war crimes and genocide is criminal and gaslighting at par with the best propaganda machines out there.

The man in my city that murdered a child for a few thousand pounds was a murderous bastard - he did not have to kill, he could still rob and run away.

Netanyahu has committed genocide and has been cleared a war criminal by the International Court of Justice, most wanted in lots of countries already.

He is leading a death cult that is doing ethnic cleansing and has killed tens of thousands of children already, has attacked nearly every neighbouring country by now and has now destabilised the whole region by attacking Israel to distract the world away from his own regime’s crimes! All with full backing from Trump, who by the way, as shared by Zelensky just this evening, has been actively protecting Putin’s lifeline (energy supplies for his troops).

This gaslighting must stop. The world is not fooled anymore. This is Iraq and respond of mass destruction all over again. Only that U.K. and other EU countries will pay the price when another tens of millions of refugees come over.

@Amplepombear If you think my describing Netanyahu as a war criminal and murderous bastard is minimising and gaslighting, I think your grasp of what words mean is subpar at best.

You are gaslighting again.
You said Netenyahu and his regime are ‘just murderous bastards’ in comparison to Irani regime.
This war criminal and his regime has committed ethnic cleansing with impunity; has now started a unilateral war in the region after attacking their neighbouring countries one by one. I don’t believe for a second that them destroying Gaza and the region is anything but cult behavior and a thirst for blood, power and likely the land and the oil in the region.

Good to see the G7 are clear that:
"Iran is the principal source of regional instability and terror". Including, of course Macron.

US is now basically using Israel to do its dirty work so they don’t have to put boots on the ground like they did in Iraq. This will have massive consequences for the region and will only destabilise it more.

Anyone believing this war being transmitted live around the world is going to buy Israel any sympathy is deluded. On the contrary, this will create a new wave of radicals and lunatics who will seed the next generation of unrest. So the cycle can continue to keep the next generation of Trump and Netenyahu’s likes in power.

I'm so pleased that there's a consensus and strong response from the G7 towards this and the real threat is declared and explicit.

The real threat is Israel right now to the region. The seeds they are sowing and have sown already will last generations, making sure the military industrial complexes backing Trump and Netenyahu can sell their weapons for generations to come.

The Israelis having been 'crying nukes' for YEARS.
I'm sure they'd rather not be fighting on two fronts.

Really? Despite having unregulated, uninvestigated nukes themselves while being ruled by a murderous, war criminal regime whose ministers were about to be banned in the U.K. just days ago. Sure. I really trust their genocidal hearts with world peace.

No. That's just your skewed personal opinion, which you've written as fact.

We will see when millions more come our way that our economies can’t handle.

It is Iraq and the weapons of mass destruction all over again that a murderous regime in Israel is doing for the U.S. all over again.

I don't think this merry-go-round is very persuasive. I'll leave you to your personal opinions

I have seen a pattern emerging over these threads. Europe is currently only advocating diplomacy as the best way forward. Yet all the Israeli regime’s supporters are collectively going ‘we can’t argue with this madness so we bow out’ when challenged with direct questions about Israeli regime’s crimes.

Please feel free so drop back in as I would like to discuss further why you think Israel is justified despite the civilised world advocating for diplomacy. Could it be that they have a war criminal at the helm whose murderous thirst and greed for land only matches Trump’s?
It is also very convenient timing for Trump that no one is paying attention to what his government is doing on the streets of the USA in face masks and full gear! Very good timing.

It’s not just the Israelis crying nukes though is it? The international atomic energy agency is ringing the alarm bells about Iran enriching uranium to near weapons grade. It’s believed they aren’t far off having enough for up to 9 nuclear weapons. Imagine the destruction of even one dirty bomb in a suitcase.

I think they timed the Iran attacks as it was believed that in the upcoming talks in Oman the U.S. would of said Iran could keep a small amount of enriched uranium for civilian purposes. They wanted to attack before any American backed deal was agreed.

I understand the Israeli fears tbh, it certainly feels like a case of when rather than if, nuclear grade weapons would be used against Israel.

And this is why an international involvement was crucial.

Israeli regime has literally just proven Iran’s point with both their actions in the last two years and with what they are doing now. Is this what we wanted? More war mongering mullahs and a potential nuke? Were Netenyahu and his right wing mullahs (of whatever religion they follow - certainly ain’t Judaism or humanity) not enough in the region? And then you indirectly question why Europe’s approach of diplomacy is not the best options

Yes phrases such as ‘crying nukes’ isn’t useful.

The G7 and EC have spoken out in the threat.

Diplomacy is always the best option. There was a lot of diplomacy work done by Obama in getting JCPOA signed, another thing fucked by Trump because he can.

I don’t understand your reasoning the Israelis attacked nuclear sites as they were concerned about uranium enrichment. Therefore that justifies Iran in enriching Uranium despite them being in breach of their treaty obligations? If that’s not what you mean please feel free to try again.

I’m not a massive Zionist or anything but there’s a long and convoluted history and neither side is blameless. I don’t find it helpful to reduce to reduce the conflict to sound bytes or propaganda.

In order for any kind of diplomacy to work there has to be acknowledgement of the realities of the situation.

This unilateral attack from Israel (with USA’s backing and weapons) is going to lead to the radical regimes around the world justifying to their people why they should prioritise nuke building/buying. Not that I am justifying it. Hope that is clear now.

As for Trump’s fuck ups, i can’t even begin. It’s as if he is in race with himself to outdo what he had done before. Most of it leaves you rather stunned and speechless.

And have they used their nukes?
Nope.
Not even little ones.

They have used all types of ammunition under the sun. You don’t need a nuke to kill thousands of children. Bullets appeared to be plenty and did the job, didn’t they?