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🚨 Assisted dying passes the Commons - 314 votes to 291

Brilliant news.

Bill goes to the HoL now

I have to say I am not particularly happy about it.

There will be many mixed feelings Pandora

The bill needs work. But the status8 quo isn't a valid option.

I have reservations, but I think even if you feel it is not for you then you don’t have a right to take the choice from others.

My main concern is people feeling pressure due to a lack of suitable care or wanting to leave money to their children rather than it being spent on care.

Presumably his job is now done by "AI"

@Evenstar I would rather my money go to my children than a care home.

Can't wait to update my will shortly.

Telling that the majority of MPs in London and boroughs voted Noe.

36 no votes recorded (I'm not including Sinn Fein who don't sit in Parliament).

If it only means people can go to Switzerland and know on their return they won't be prosecuted, it'd be a step forwards.

My DM died in the manner she most feared - to an aggressive dementia that went from compus mentis in 2014 to catatonia in 2016. Eventually after breaking a hip and it not being detected for 2 days, she was admitted to hospital where they basically starved her to death.

I don't really go for vows and all that frippery, but I'll carry the weight of not being able to fulfil the vow that I would never let her end like that. Who knows what might have happened if it had been 2024 instead ?

I understand reservations on the bill which hopefully the HoL will address although the bishops will use religious reasons to object.

I have reservations around coercion, vulnerability and disability, but I am fully aware of how much the passing of this Bill means to so many and that they will feel great relief at the result.

I personally want the right to choose when to die. It is the impact on vulnerable people (which any of us could end up being) that worries me.

Telling that the majority of MPs in London and boroughs voted Noe

What do you mean by that @placemats ?

@placemats I totally understand that, I just would hate to think of an unwell or elderly person feeling it was what they ought to do.

It’s limited to such a small group of people that I hope that won’t be an issue. It’s not just anyone who is ill. You have to be terminal with 6 months or fewer to live as far as I’m aware.

My DM died in a horrible manner and said she would have gone to Switzerland if she could and I would have helped her end her life if I could have. But I still think this bill was rushed and lacks safeguards.

My mother would never have used assisted dying as she was a Catholic @Evenstar However her last few weeks of life was a smooth as anyone would want, she had full capacity mentally and did refuse intravenous antibiotics.

I mean @PandoraSocks the majority of Labour MPs in London voted against.

I know that, but you said it was "telling" that they did so. That's what I was asking about. What do you mean?

Perhaps telling was the wrong word though many did have concerns about coercion.

@cardibach yes I hope that the limited group that will have this available and the safeguards will ensure that nobody will be pressured into this decision.

@placemats I am glad your mother was able to state her wishes 💐, I think my own position would be similar, not an active choice to end my life (I am also religious) but no aggressive treatment for infections or further illnesses if I was already at the end of my life.

My MP voted against, which I am pleased about for the reasons I gave above. Our palliative and social care systems just aren’t robust enough to make it safe legislation for all. I wish they were, so those who want to make that choice can do, but at the moment they are not. I am not against it for any religious reasons and may even find myself in the situation where I want to make that choice personally. However, I’ve seen too many vulnerable people slapped with DNRs they didn’t want (some with a criminal level of deceit imo) to have faith that the system will not have consequences unintended by those championing it.

I’m glad it’s passed as long as the safety net of it being the persons own decision is secure.

my mum died of cancer and it’s a horrid death. They do have morphine driver and lots of sedatives so they are comfy and it does make death quicker but I think having the choice to do it earlier should be an option.

O will add my mum had excellent palliative care too - she was in a hospice.