Thread 25 Starmer - Cheers for a falling out among thieves

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I had a nosey at Hollobone's wiki. He went to school with Farage. He was a member of the Conservative Monday Club. He supported banning the burka and bringing back capital punishment, voted against same sex marriage and wanted to rename the August Bank Holiday (I assume just in England,Wales & NI) as Margaret Thatcher Day.
Plenty of stuff there for Badenoch to reuse.

Does he know when?!

Yes I can see when she is told she can’t discriminate a headline about how we are so woke she has to accept people in “burkas” and how they are becoming the minority and taking over the country. And she can’t stop it because of lefty lawyers.

Don’t give her ideas 😂

There is an implication in St. Kemis simple view that she would refuse to meet with a single constituent in a burka niqab, but quite happily meet with a woman without a niqab, but with their husband alongside checking their speech. Which does sound fairly traditional Tory, actually .....

I suppose someone has to. She's too thick to think of any of her own.

No. Or how. I actually feel sorry for him. He’ll keep on voting for them as long as they’re there to vote for. All the kids keep telling him he’s a political dinosaur.

Sounds like one of these people who have decided the answer, and then just change the question until it fits.

Pretty much. Strangely - and thankfully - it’s only in this one area of his life he’s like this.

There is also an implication that she believes it's the woman's fault for complying.

It’s certainly the woman she’s punishing for it.
What if the be-burqa-ed woman was coming to ask for help in freeing herself from a controlling husband? Not that Kemi would be the person I’d pick to ask for help with anything, but…

In my old job I had conversations with quite a lot of women wearing a niqab. One or two wearing the full burqa. It wasn’t particularly difficult to hear them, plenty of people not wearing them presented barriers to communication (strong accents, communication difficulties, extreme anger, being off their faces on drugs being a few that spring to mind). There was never any question of me, or any of my colleagues, refusing to deal with their enquiries. As a public servant, where the actual fuck does KB get off with refusing to speak to them.

She doesn’t recognise that she’s a public servant. She’s far too arrogant to ever acknowledge that.

Yes, she seems to think the public serve her interests rather than vice versa.

I think that’s the crux of it to be honest.

Braverman seems to sing from the same hymn book. We should all agree with her opinions and she’s always telling us how we should think and what she’s done for us - I’ve never known her ask. Even at her clinics (to be fair to her she does hold lots of various meetings) it’s less about listening and more about telling.

Sums her up perfectly, I’m bloody glad she is no where near having any power would be stuff of nightmares although the love in Farage receives from the media really does scare me & the conservatives diving headfirst into the cesspit of out reforming reform is stomach churning, so depressing how infantile it all is.

Nor have I but I live in two places where it would be very unlikely to see women wearing burkas.
In other news my Highland Show rams have dippy backs. 😡

The Muslim population in Badenoch's constituency is 0. 9%. I doubt if she encounters women in niqabs on a regular basis.

No one earning over £500,000 per year should be allowed to stand for Parliament as an MP.

It seems as Badenoch has eyes on the prize for a coalition with Reform after the next general election 4 years from now. She won't last that long. Fighting from the ropes isn't a good look.

I saw suggestion of Cleverly being pushed to bid for party leadership. More recycling.

To me the bigger issue is the money PMs and MPs can make during and after their terms in office.

Take May for example, earned millions on the speech circuit whilst still an MP... how does that work?
Thought MPs where over worked and deserved every penny of the 90k salary? plus a very generous expenses package..

Blair went from PM to multi millionaire... Johnson similar.

So is the motivation to be an MP, to serve the country and community OR to become extremely wealthy???

There are quite a lot of former Tory MPs who lost their seats last year on their uppers. I don’t really care about them making a lot of money afterwards if they’ve done a decent job in office. Johnson was loaded by most people’s standards before he took up politics.

I'm more concerned about the motivation to be an MP.

For me it would be to improve my community and country but i do wonder if for many, its just a means to an end, either a power trip or for financial gain.

Though tbh, i don't know how you'd every be able to put in rules to "encourage" decent behaviours, other than to further restrict post parliament work.

EXCLUSIVE: The BBC has drawn up plans to win over Reform voters by changing its news and drama output.

BBC Director General Tim Davie and other execs discussed altering "story selection" in order to win the "trust" of supporters of Nigel Farage

https://bylinetimes.com/2025/06/09/bbc-news-tim-davie-robbie-gibb-reform-voters-nigel-farage-trust/

No one earning over £500,000 per year should be allowed to stand for Parliament as an MP.

Really, the Tory ideal would be no one earning anything should be allowed to stand for parliament. We don't want "trade" in parliament. Ugh !