Thread 24 Starmer -Casting the net wider

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Ah the 1990s. When you had social justice, ill fitting suits and you got interviewed on your pro bono work around the back of your Islington town house which was then considered a bit scuzzy…

I think it's Falconer who also said Starmer was excellent with judges but poor with juries.

Cardi so happy for you completing such an arduous trek I imagine it must have have been both physically & mentally gruelling also love the tattoo I applaud you👏
Pointy do hope dc1 is recovering well & glad A&E wasn’t a mission & massive congratulations for dc2 a truly fabulous achievement.
thank you for some very thought provoking posts over the last couple of days I think I’ve always been a bit ambivalent towards KS as I’m much more naturally on the left I certainly don’t hate him more I think frustrated especially as the comms appears so inept & it’s not fecking rocket science as most of Reforms proposals are pure nonsense, surely call them out & the journalists/media who constantly keep getting away with spouting soundbites as Cakeorwine posted be bold they might as well as it seems as though most of the country hate the government.

That Telegraph story was complete fiction and has now been deleted

https://bsky.app/profile/ianfraser.bsky.social/post/3lpyolfrkpk2a

Also get rid of unfair practices that harm the consumer. Enough people would like not to have to use an app, to have the option to pay in cash, don't want dynamic pricing for gig tickets, want broadband charges to only go up with inflation, and no doubt a few other things that could be legislated for.

" Enough people would like not to have to use an app, to have the option to pay in cash, don't want dynamic pricing for gig tickets, want broadband charges to only go up with inflation, and no doubt a few other things that could be legislated for."

So many simple things they could do.

Look at rogue parking companies
Unfair parking fines
Parking machines
Banking deserts
Look at high streets and how they can be revitalised

And some radical ideas about nationalising certain industries.

All things that Reform might oppose

I support Sir Keir Starmer and absolutely feel that at present there is not much hope of any support from the wealthy media owners.
Seemingly they prefer a rather different set of policies and style of PM's.
He and his government might as well crack on with their planned work.
We can see what the voters think at the next election.
We are living in a fragile world on many fronts.

In other news .....
I have finally stopped watched LK on sunday, simply could not stand it any longer.
Congrats Cardi on an epic walk and also to those clever young people with their fantastic exam results and wonderful, huge range of interests and great knowledge of their subject.

Bloody hell. Maybe we should all make complaints to IPSO?

Once lost my big toenail before an Irish dancing competition (ran into a shovel). I got a bronze medal.

Doesn't compare to your achievement.

Bien Hecho!

Sure Start should be reinstated because it saves billions.

Couldn’t agree more on the rumours of Boris 🤡 making a comeback

bsky.app/profile/13sarahmurphy.bsky.social/post/3lq2kyuiixs2g

There are a number of obstacles (good ones I think):

Finding a seat to stand in, and be elected. His laziness, record, infidelity and so many other things would be raised on the doorstep.

Then he would have to face the standards committee response to his lying, and you can bet the current House would vote to suspend him long enough for the recall petition.

Then you'd easily get enough signatures for recall and so he'd have to go through all that again.

Then even if the Tories did elect him as leader, Keir Starmer would make mincemeat of him at PMQs.

@LlynTegid I believe he is permanently barred from the Parliamentary estate as well, so that could be awkward!

Biggest obstacle would be giving up the easy money he is earning now.

4??? I think I missed #3.

Really? What for? I mean, I could think of several reasons but they don't seem to have prevented him in the past.

I think so. He was constantly in debt, despite all the subsidies from his wealthy friends, when he was PM. He now has four children under five and he still has expensive tastes.

He probably did, too.

Of course the real "story" isn't "the story". The real story - which is not being reported - is how plausible "the story" was to a large %age of people. Not just detractors - there were some people who were supporters.

That story is still running. And it's not a good one.

He was a master at grifting I’d forgotten some of the strokes he pulled was reminded of a few on the bluesky thread posted above one of the most long reaching stunts was the decimation of moderate one nation conservatives & we are all paying the price for it.

@Zonder, there was a vote in Parliament denying him a former members pass https://news.sky.com/story/boris-johnson-denied-special-access-to-parliament-as-mps-endorse-report-which-said-he-lied-12905498

I think it was reported by some as a lifetime ban from the Parliamentary estate, but perhaps it wouldn’t be if he was ever elected as an MP again, but as @LlynTegid said I think he would have to face the Standards Committee as he avoided that by resigning.

There was an analysis of Johnsons downfall a while back. Some people noticed it was predicated on questions Starmer had put to Johnson in the cut and thrust of a debate months before.

Something for the "Starmer is useless" camp to ponder.

https://www.itv.com/news/2023-06-19/the-partygate-questions-that-caused-the-demise-of-boris-johnson

A day after ITV News published a leaked video of a mock press conference appearing to confirm reports of a party, Sir Keir grilled Mr Johnson in the Commons again.

The public "were lied to", he told Mr Johnson, to which he replied: "I have been repeatedly assured since these allegations emerged that there was no party, and that no Covid rules had been broken. That is what I've been repeatedly assured."

These two statements from December 1 and December 8 amounted to one complete denial and another insistence that, whatever happened, he was unaware of any rule-breaking.

It was these questions from Sir Keir that became central to the 14-month investigation by the privileges committee, which ruled Mr Johnson recklessly misled MPs.

As I have stated on several occasions before, I think Mr Johnson should be facing charges that upon conviction would lead to a lengthy prison sentence. Which would stop him standing for election. Added to that I view the unlawful suspension of Parliament as treasonous, though sadly not sure the law would view it that way.

You have to wonder what back room deals have been done around this.

It's all akin to when Nixon resigned. I wander what promises Johnsons successor was forced to honour to him ? You can speculate they were so abhorrent to anyone with a shred of scruples that they simply had to get Liz Truss on the job.