Thread 23 Starmer - Reflux Remedy

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I'm fine with the way and the context in which you have used it :)

I have recently noticed its rise in sue on MN often, but not always , used in a derisory fashion. Why is there no 'rightie'?? Is it too infantilising a term perhaps?

Now they have gone down this route they can't really challenge some of the complete BS like housing being a problem because of Immigrants. DH is an Architect, has been involved with social housing projects over the years and absolutely refutes this, it is about the supply of homes and housing policies under the Tories over the last 14 years that has caused the problems we have today.

In my silly Utopian way, I want to say 'both'. The SNP perhaps most sits in that view now, and Greens. Ironic , considering the SNP were once dubbed the Tartan Tories. Before anyone jumps on me, I know they have their own ideological issues and in fights.

'Tartan Tories' 😂

I peeked at one of those threads today that I always lecture the rest of you to ignore. Goodness, the racism from people 'from Birmingham' (longstanding multicultural city which they claim they only can't recognise 'now'??) really does reek of Powell or possibly Thatcher's proclamations.

I never thought much about immigration. I lived my whole adult life in one of the most diverse boroughs in the UK. There were waves of immigrants from various parts of the world over the 36 years I lived there.

I moved to Wales a few years ago, to a fairly white area (though the city as a whole is quite diverse). I have to say I have heard more moaning about immigration in this area than I ever did in my previous borough. That says something, eh?

That's quite well known isn't it as a values phenomenon?

I think you are right. I have been shocked a few times that other white people have felt free to share their racism with me, obviously thinking I would agree. Reform came third here in the GE.

Interesting point but the point is that your area has ‘gentrified’ and presumably improved. There are parts of my town which haven’t. Never will. On top of that we are a low CoL area which has naturally attracted a lot of vulnerable immigrants/asylum seekers who have complex social needs. I suspect that white working class northern boys now perform worse than children from migrant families in London where opportunities are undoubtedly better. I suppose t e point is, how do we improve everyone’s chances, wherever they live. Shame that levelling up never happened 😢

I think we should all wait for Monday when the EU Summit will start to really annoy Reform and the Tories.

Put it better than I could Goldenbear I grew up in south east London was a teenager in the seventies & the child of first generation Irish immigrants also remember the marches through Lewisham by the BNP I have absolutely no desire to relive those times.

I don't live there now, I couldn't afford to even by early 00s I had to go to where I am now that said, where I am now has become expensive but it has totally changed the tone of the place but I'm probably being sentimental, miss my youth 😄!

Yes, I hear you, I have a parent that has moved back to where they grew up in the Midlands and she has a nice property but the market town is pretty run down, it is really sad to see and a stark contrast to where I live. It wasn't like that twenty years ago.

My parents actually met at a young socialist event in the 60s but my Dad became an Economist based on free uni education and they were more 'liberal' by the Thatcher years, Dad in particular blamed her for most things, suppose I have been heavily influenced by them as has DH who's family had a prominent Labour MP in the extended family pre-1980 so I would say we are not living in a privileged vacuum but do appreciate we've been lucky. As a teenager If I wanted to rebel I should have voted Tory!

Not just 14 years in my opinion, goes back to 1979 and selling council houses and not replacing them.

Oh yes, definitely!

Totally agree, along with becoming the spivs of Europe selling off utilities & now the chickens are well & truly coming home to roost.

@Goldenbear what an interesting story about your family ! Funny how we’re influenced by our parents etc. My granddad was a proper working class Tory living in a small Yorkshire pit village. Not a miner though ! Used to toddle off to the local Conservative club every week in Barnsley ! Mum’s side were miners and very much the opposite, caused some discussions !

I wonder what could possibly have caused this problem?

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I bet it did! Do you think you were influenced by your Mum or is it just a coincidence?

My parents (divorced now) were quite active in the Labour party, my Dad who is tall and strong had quite a few stand offs with the young Tories in his day!

@Rivypike Of course immigration needs some controls, we are a small country with housing and infrastructure problems.

I'm more Corbyn than Starmer & pro EU but uncontrolled immigration is a recipe for disaster.
The beauty of the EU is it had controls and people coming here, generally speaking, could easily assimilate and go back home as their countries economies improved... friends of ours in trades have seen hourly rates increase but also have issues getting trades themselves for bigger jobs, this wasn't a problem pre Brexit.

Anyway, apologies for derailing the thread.

I voted for Andy Burnham as first preference when he stood as leader.

Cardibach, have a wonderful time. I'm also dipping in and out due to limited Internet, and, probably far too much alcohol.
We landed in Naples yesterday, and spent today in Pompeii- amazing by the way. Highly recommend.

It's a proper melting pot of people here. Today I've talked to Americans on the train, some pro Trump, some against. I've heard all nationalities. It's been wonderful. Anyway thank you all for the updates on pmqs, and I've enjoyed reading your discussion this evening. Grazi.

I am jealous littledrummergirls, we went to Rome, Naples and Pompeii the summer before Covid and absolutely loved it.

It's an interesting derail Goldenbear

@placemats I think we would have saved ourselves a lot of grief if he had won. I voted for Starmer because the country couldn’t afford for Corbyn to remain, after the 2019 election it was clear if he stayed on there would no longer be an effective Opposition.

I was never a Corbyn fan and a long time member at my branch said Corbyn was unelectable partly due to the right wing media coverage but in himself I think he was not a leader. He was like a person who in a business has been promoted above their ability, he would never have stood down voluntarily. That member had voted for Starmer and persuaded others too and bitterly regrets it now.

Other people have expressed that they thought the party would shift left once elected, depressingly the opposite seems to have been the case, and the view on the doorstep at the recent council elections even from lifelong Labour voters is that they are completely untrustworthy. The WFA and PIP issues are regarded as a betrayal of the poorest and most vulnerable in society, Labour’s traditional core vote.