Thread 23 Starmer - Reflux Remedy

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@ilovesooty at least he didn’t bite the vet! One of my children loved the Mog books and there was one called Mog and the Vee Ee Tee where she ran amok at the surgery and bit the vet!

I suppose I should be grateful he didn't do that! However he has to go for his vaccinations and full health check at the end of the month. As he's in the Pet Club that will involve bloods. His appointment is in the afternoon and he has to starve all day. He will be Very Cross.

I see the benefit bashing and unpleasant comments about mental health have caused one poster to ask for her thread to be removed. I'm not normally much in sympathy with OP s requesting that but I don't blame her. Some posters are just horrible.

That’s the problem with a lot of jobs - they are seen as a vocation and therefore the pay is considerate with being unskilled.

Yet to manage medications, patients with dementia, moving and handling etc it’s a highly skilled job that it does take a certain type of person to do - but they aren’t low skilled - they just have a patient and caring personality.

Yes. A lot of carers are only paid for the time they are at someone’s property and caring.

So an 8 hour day could mean 6 hours pay. It’s not acceptable in my eyes.

Carers should be paid for the shift and inclusive of travel time and either be paid a good amount of expenses or have company cars. Care work is undervalued too much and that’s created this mess. As piggy said nobody aims for care work now as a career and yet it should be valued as a career the same as nursing. There’s a lot of training and responsibility.

I made the mistake of switching on LBC, where some utter fool of a caller was saying that unemployed people should be forced to take jobs as carers or lose their benefits.

I switched to radio three.

@ilovesooty Little Tennyson is a tyke!

I think I know which one you mean. The OP was taking everything on board and thanking posters despite some being extremely rude and querying everything and almost felt like they were trying to catch her out.

I see this trotted out a lot on MN.

Care work treated as a punishment.

Cos it’s ’low skilled’. All ‘low skilled’ workers should go on strike, all at once and we’ll see how much difference that makes across the country. No care work, no bins emptied, no service in shops, cafes or restaurants, no TAs in the classroom inc 1:1s…….

Yes it pisses me off more than most things.

It just solidifies people opinions that it’s an unskilled job for people who can’t do anything else.

when the reality is it takes a really special person to care for someone else’s loved one as if they are their own.

I'm pretty sure I saw this as an OP yesterday, except it was 'volunteering'.

Yes I saw that too and swiftly ignored.

Some sort of government funded volunteering scheme wouldn’t be a bad thing.

but it would be to gain experience - so maybe 6 months of volunteering where you earn a UC/ job seekers top up. Support people to take a different career path or get into work.

But don’t punish those who can’t work into forced free labour or labour you think is beneath you.

I am glad I didn't see that. Might have been banned.l!

Yep just listened to Chris Philp dong the same on R4, "They need just a short amount of training..."

Thats BS, my DD did care work whilst at Uni, she did the 2 weeks online and shadowing stuff but it was probably 6 months in before she could handle most of situations, they issue prescrip meds, have to be able to spot infections, confusion, work with physio's and OTs and have a great dela of empathy, something that cannot be "trained"

Salaries need around a £2 per hour up lift, people leave to work in a pub or a supermarket but its considered womens work, so that wont happen.

Perhaps a Social Care collective insurance scheme, all pay in, regardless of whether we claim or not.

This has been suggested before but no one will do it :(

After seeing what happened to Theresa May it’s not really surprising that no political party will go anywhere near it. The backlash over WFA is bad enough - and that’s just £150. Everyone wants reform until it affects them, just watch all those people who want NI extended to pensioners change their minds when they reach pension age. I think it’s a good idea but it would be political suicide.

Well yes that may be so but the current situation is causing great suffering to the elderly and others who need SC.

I think a guaranteed scheme that means peoples houses will not be sold to pay for care could work & been seen as a positive, whether Starmer could market it as such, is another matter!!

WFA was just plain stupid, having a cut off of around 11k for additional help was never going to work... putting pensions into IHT has not caused similar problems for the Govt but is a significant increase in death duties... why? because it affects only the better off.

A scheme where we all participate, inc those on benefits, a nominal amount, is the way forward... obviously imho!!

Just watched the immigration press conference with the PM. Quite an assured performance but in the end it will be about whether migration figures go done, and there is less competition for jobs.

I did like the argument that the idea that migration equals economic growth has been tested to destruction; contrary to all the Treasury ideals it’s clearly not done anything of the kind over the last five years.

The thing with Starmer is that message cutting through. The anxiety making “barbarians are at the gate” narrative of Reform definitely does

The problem Labour have is this speech will be seen as a response to Reform, so Reform Lite!

Should have been announced earlier.

Also, without changes to how growth is calculated ie migration automatically increases growth, the incentive is to have more and more, not less.

I agree, the headline figure on net migration is really all that Labour will be judged on.

Immigration is already falling, down a third in 2024.

The DM is already showing that Labour's anti immigration rhetoric won't make the slightest difference.

Yes the timing is poor, agree.

The Treasury was mentioned by a journalist as being the source of “migration equals growth”. They have made this argument to every PM since Blair, because this was cheaper than training up UK workers. Starmer is the first PM in my lifetime to have rejected it. If this comes with improved training and working conditions for my fellows then I will be very pleased.

Last one remains to be seen, of course.

The Mail will never be happy with Labour....

Yep headline figure is all that matters, i'm surprised Labour don't make more of the Tory policies on migration... you can bet they would in Starmers position.

The problem is, Labour cannot make business increase training etc etc there seems to be a belief that UK workers are lazy and foreign ones are not... this is nonsense of course but will business improve their home grown training and start giving people already here, a chance?

I think that is the point. Business will not have this release valve.

If UK citizens have employment and better working conditions then Reform will crumble. People who are making reasonable money are not usually obsessive about others coming to the UK. People with insecure employment, low wages and competing against new entrants are. It’s these people who are new Reform voters.