So how do I live in the female gender?

[Definitelynamechanged123]

There are 8834 people in the UK who have a Gender Recognition Certificate.
I am one of them.

To get it, I had to show evidence of transition, surgery etc. Lots of hoops

I also had to swear a Statutory Declaration. I had to go to a Magistrates Court and swear a legal declaration in front of a magistrate. It was all very formal.

I had to swear this:

" have lived as a (insert ‘male’ or ‘female’ as appropriate)
throughout the period of years before the date of this statutory
declaration and I intend to live in that gender until death."

This declaration is legally binding. Apparently if I don't follow this, I can be done for perjury.

So...how do I live as a female and live in that gender until death - I have sworn to do this in front of a magistrate.

I was very surprised that so few trans people have Gender Recognition Certificates.

So true.

Had back some of your salary OP

Then lie down and let everyone walk all over you

I would like to read those clinical peer reviewed papers

You are unlikely to be charged with perjury. And if you were the prosecution would have to prove your intentions were not honestly stated at the time you confirmed them. And presumably they were honestly stated so you have nothing to worry about if you change your mind. It's a thing people do.

Be a creator and grow a human in your own body, breastfeed and carefully nurture a child to adulthood. Have painful periods, go through the menopause which in my experience was hell on earth. Be oppressed by men and treated like a 2nd class citizen. You can't ever be a woman sorry. You can't be black either, nobody can live their experience unless you are black. Same with women.

You can’t live as a woman because you aren’t one . Yes you can put on a dress , apply make up badly , totter around in heels etc . You can play dress up but you aren’t a real woman hence the reason you asked your question.

All this hassle for 8k people? That’s the bonkers bit! Repeal those bloody certificates. You’re born into one sex. You may be fucked up and mentally ill and think you don’t “belong” in your sex or you may get turned on dressing up in women’s stereotypical clothing and underwear but I don’t give a fuck. You are not my problem. I do not consent to your sexual act of dressing up, I do not want to be forced by my employer to pretend you are a man or a woman. I don’t want to be in my non cubicle gym changing room and expected to change my obese arse in front of a man who is either mental ill or being turned on pretending to be a woman.

8000 odd people have led to absolute madness. Enough.

Agree Flopsy
OP you are looking to live as a person with a female gender.

Thats not a woman.
A women is a biological women. It’s their sex, it has nothing to do with gender at all!

They are completely different.

So OP. You’ve agreed to do something but you don’t know what that is. How can you legally agree to something with no knowledge of it ? Wouldn’t you say it’s a bit late to be asking now. And why ask mumsnet. Most people on here are women!

I Think you’re in the wrong place

Which is why the whole thing was a complete joke from the beginning.

I've never heard of this certificate
Nearly 9000 people is a lot of people who have one .
I doubt anyone would hold you to it ,if you wanted to go back to your original sex
How would anyone possibly know you had swapped back
I wouldn't worry ,it's to many people for the powers that be to keep a check of

Women use men’s toilets all the time. Big old queues in the ladies.

If all female people adopted gender neutral clothing, stopped wearing make up and got a crew cut how then would transwomen be able to present as "women"?

They deny that you have to be female to be a woman while being totally reliant on female people' s choices in clothes etc in order to be seen as "women".

I wouldn’t worry too much. Freddie McConnell did all the swearing you did about living in their new male body forever so help me God, in the fulll knowledge that they had already stopped taking hormones and had booked an appointment at a fertility clinic for the following week to discuss ivf. As far as I know they are still walking around Deal a free parent of two.

I think you just can't win with this because you're forced, by law into an inescapable paradox.

Living according to a female gender is, as many others have commented, a societal and cultural oppression (in the West, thankfully just those; in many countries it's a legal oppression sometimes enforced by threat of death) all self-respecting women desperately try to free themselves from; most make some sort of compromise and wear make up, humour men to keep the peace, accept lower pay and more unpaid work; others internalise the misogyny.

As a result, living in accordance with female gender stereotypes makes you stand out as different from the majority of women – who feel deeply distressed by or uncomfortable with "femininity" – and more likely to be seen as being probably a male.

The poster said none of those things ever crossed her mind.
That's very different to 'being scared to leave the house.

I don't see the point of her post in the context of this thread.

It's badly explained whatever she was trying to say.

At least no risk of pregnancy eh? But jokes aside you the risk is different. This is a choice you made. You chose to live a life that placed you at an increased risk.

Here’s a parallel. My niece is fisgnosed anorexic. She is now largely in recovery but it’s a daily battle. Because she looks in the mirror and sees fat. She says daily “I am not comfortable in my body. I never will be”. Do you know what no one did? Told her she was fat and prescribed mounjaro.

@Definitelynamechanged123

Perhaps it could help to think about how by not using spaces defined as being single sex spaces, you're thinking about, respecting and prioritising the needs of women. That in itself is something that counts towards "living as female" because an awful lot of men don't think about what women need.

"Living as female" or "living as male" is such a vague and ill-defined concept that it's largely meaningless. Live as yourself, think about the needs of others, and ask for help in having your own needs met. If there are no suitable spaces for you to use bathroom facilities, try on clothes in shops, etc., raise your voice and ask for them. Many people, male and female, will support you if you ask for your needs to be met in ways which also respect the needs of others.

9000 out of the 66+ million in the UK?

That's what's so mad about all of this.

A tiny, tiny minority and some of the 8K haven't had surgery. They've just had to live as a man or woman for 2 years and show they were committed to doing that.

His post.

You know all women are different ? The concept of living as a woman is a misogynistic stereotype.
There is no definition of what 'living life a s a woman' constitutes because women live different lives.
Live your life however you choose, I have no objection to that. But only women can live life as a woman.

Speak for yourself.
I would mind him in my changing room.

I wasn't aware that @adviceneeded1990 was male.

Female isn’t a gender it’s a sex. And sex is immutable, so you can’t.

I’m not, but anyone who doesn’t agree with @Riaanna must be, because all women have to think the same.

This thread isn’t about fear of rape etc so I won’t continue on that road, it’s pointless and moving away from the point. The point I was trying to make (probably clumsily as I’m multitasking) was that there are no real commonalities between ALL women in regard to how we think, behave and what we are scared of, because we all think differently.

There is a thread elsewhere about two sisters, one is into hair, make up, clothes, her mum loves dressing her up.

The older one like jeans and t shirts and loves caterpillars and dinosaurs.

Both female. What's the most important thing here? Go figure!

For those asking how I live my life - I try not to stand out. I try to blend in and to not be seen as male. I also don't want to stand out as those transwomen - who I know - who really stand out, who are so so obviously trans. Who are that stereotype that people know about transwomen.

I don't want to be seen as male. Even though - as has been pointed out - that's the chromosomes and biology I was born with and had growing up.

I want to blend in, to try to be invisible - so far I have had just 1 incident of abuse in my life as being trans. I get the occasional stare, a second glance, but not much.

I won't put myself out there as a trans advocate because of the abuse I have got before online. I worry about where I live and people there. I have lived my life here quite happily.

All I am trying to do is to blend in. And to not be seen as society as male. I can't help being born male but every cell in my body has rejected that - and being seen as male by others is something I don't want to happen.