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Has the US crossed the Rubicon? - Trump thread #142

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Spandauer · 15/04/2025 18:42

Here be dragons.

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logicisall · 24/04/2025 12:50

I joined this thread very recently, so apologies if this has already been mentioned. Today I came across this 8 April speech by the PM of Singapore and the first 17mins are a wide ranging yet succinct, calm and logical summing up of where the world is now re Trump's tariffs. I hope our politicians are equally intelligent and well informed.

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logicisall · 24/04/2025 13:27

China have set up a digital yuan based on Bitcoin that bypasses SWIFT, traders and businesses can trade.
@HawaiiWake this made me realise that I know nothing about e-currencies. I went to ChatGPT for a summary then followed it up by asking for a prediction that takes account of Trump's current tariff disruption to world economies.

Prediction: The Fragmented Financial Future (2025–2035)
🌐 1. Multipolar Financial Systems Replace the Dollar-Centric Model

  • The US dollar will remain dominant, but its monopoly on global trade and finance will erode.
  • The digital yuan becomes a preferred trade currency within parts of Asia, Africa, and the Global South, especially where Chinese infrastructure projects (like Belt & Road) operate.
  • Tariffs under Trump taught many nations how vulnerable they are to US economic pressure — this accelerates interest in alternatives to USD-anchored systems.

2. Two (or More) Financial Internets Emerge

  • Think of it like the splinternet, but for money:
  • One orbiting the US/EU, with digital dollar/euro, SWIFT, etc.
  • Another orbiting China, with the e-CNY, mBridge, UnionPay systems, etc.
  • Possibly a third BRICS-bloc system with digital rubles, rupees, and a shared cross-border settlement layer.
  • Cross-border trade becomes technically more complex, but politically safer for countries avoiding US or Chinese pressure.

3. Nations Prioritize ‘Currency Sovereignty’ Like Energy Security

  • The Trump tariffs forced countries to rethink dependency — on the US dollar, US tech, US trade routes.
  • Countries increasingly build or join CBDC networks to control their own economic destiny, just like they diversify energy supply chains.
  • Digital currencies become a key part of national security planning.

4. SWIFT’s Influence Declines, but Doesn’t Die

  • SWIFT adapts, but loses dominance in cross-border trade.
  • It will still be used in Western-aligned countries, but alternatives like mBridge, RippleNet, or other blockchain-based systems gain real traction.
  • Expect even US allies to hedge their bets — using both SWIFT and non-SWIFT systems, just in case.

5. Trade Wars Go Digital

  • Future "sanctions" won’t just be about goods, but access to financial networks.
  • Countries might cut access to their digital currencies the way they used to cut off SWIFT or impose tariffs.
  • Example: A country using e-CNY could geofence or freeze wallets for non-compliant trade partners. Same with a digital dollar.

Bottom Line
Trump’s tariffs were a wake-up call: economic power can be used as a weapon. The digital yuan is part of China's answer — a way to bypass US financial power, control its own destiny, and export a new model of global finance.
By 2030, expect a world where:

  • Dollar dominance is dented, not destroyed.
  • Multiple financial systems compete, not just collaborate.
  • And countries increasingly use digital currency infrastructure as geopolitical leverage.

It gives me much food for thought. Are Trump's tariffs then a last gasp effort to stop China's increasing geopolitical influence?

PerkingFaintly · 24/04/2025 13:35

Thanks, @logicisall . I hadn't seen that Singapore speech.

And in general it's always welcome to post important stuff again - things are easy to miss in a long thread.

Interested in this thread?

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PerkingFaintly · 24/04/2025 13:37

Don't worry about your post being temporarily hidden, by the way. There's an automated anti-spam thingy that hides mentions of some currencies until a human has checked them

Talkinpeace · 24/04/2025 13:47

HCR this morning all about the Russian interference in US elections linked to the taking of Ukraine.

Her readers are pretty up to speed but even they seem shocked

Igotjelly · 24/04/2025 13:54

Ooh the 🍊 dictator wannabe is unhappy!

Has the US crossed the Rubicon? - Trump thread #142
AnnaBalfour · 24/04/2025 14:05

Putin is making an absolute mockery of him as usual.

Spandauer · 24/04/2025 14:24

Fox watchers not showing due appreciation.

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littlebilliie · 24/04/2025 14:26

Igotjelly · 24/04/2025 13:54

Ooh the 🍊 dictator wannabe is unhappy!

He has no power over Russia, they are mocking him

DuncinToffee · 24/04/2025 15:00

They are considering $5000 baby bonuses. Does that even cover medical bills?

Spandauer · 24/04/2025 15:12

DuncinToffee · 24/04/2025 15:00

They are considering $5000 baby bonuses. Does that even cover medical bills?

Edited

Average cost to just to give birth $18,000-$20,000.
Average cost for pregnancy, birth and post-partum probably more like $30,000

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Igotjelly · 24/04/2025 15:15

Spandauer · 24/04/2025 15:12

Average cost to just to give birth $18,000-$20,000.
Average cost for pregnancy, birth and post-partum probably more like $30,000

Trauma caused $priceless

Spandauer · 24/04/2025 15:15

More up to date costs
www.investopedia.com/how-much-does-it-cost-to-have-a-baby-in-america-6745508

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alphabetacharlie · 24/04/2025 16:03

https://open.substack.com/pub/heathercoxrichardson/p/april-23-2025?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

This is what @Talkinpeace mentioned upthread. It is truly shocking when you see it in black and white. Trump's peace plan has a score sheet of Russia 10 Ukraine 0. It will be tough for Zalensky as he watches his countrymen suffer, but from TV interviews today, they are not willing to surrender to Russia. Interestingly, Trump's peace plan is very much like Putin's Mariupol plan.

April 23, 2025

After previously suggesting that the U.S.

https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/april-23-2025?triedRedirect=true

AcrossthePond55 · 24/04/2025 16:17

Zonder · 24/04/2025 07:15

Wow this could go so very wrong for Trump.

And yet still somehow there would be MAGA supporters saying Trump is doing it right.

See, this is another of the eleventy billion things wrong with Scrotus. He is like a bull in a china shop (no pun intended). He doesn't understand subtlety, inscrutability, or diplomacy. He also isn't able to comprehend that, should push come to shove, he's not the biggest bully on the block.

And this is another of the things that will take us (US citizens) all down with him.

SerendipityJane · 24/04/2025 16:45

TomPinch · 24/04/2025 11:32

I can't imagine the US has any way of preventing dumping of Tbonds. They're traded. The US could try redeeming them all I suppose.

I am not typing the "c" word in full. However one of the features they have is the ability to enforce how that asset lives in the future.

People need to understand that once the switch to a "c" word is done, then it becomes possible to simply flick a switch and revalue the currency, or enforce tiered values (so if you have a million, each one is worth more than if you had a thousand).

(When I was actively researching blockchain, there was a member of the working group I was in who contacted Ticketmaster explaining that a blockchain would mean that resale of tickets could be prevented by a smart contract. In a telling reply, Ticketmaster said there was no industry appetite for preventing ticket resale).

SerendipityJane · 24/04/2025 16:51

AcrossthePond55 · 24/04/2025 16:17

See, this is another of the eleventy billion things wrong with Scrotus. He is like a bull in a china shop (no pun intended). He doesn't understand subtlety, inscrutability, or diplomacy. He also isn't able to comprehend that, should push come to shove, he's not the biggest bully on the block.

And this is another of the things that will take us (US citizens) all down with him.

.... with a dawning realisation that quite a lot of the rest of the world think it's rather well deserved. Hubris and all that.

It is impossible to understate the damage that not being interested in your own country can do. That's a sympathetic wave from the UK, which was first out of the gates on that one 😭

SerendipityJane · 24/04/2025 17:05

How long before red states get to trawl all that data that DOGE liberated for evidence of abortions, miscarriages and other events they can lock women up for ?

As RFK is showing with his autism index, there's nothing to stop them now.

Remember that Lincoln project ad ? Don't seem so fanciful now.

Spandauer · 24/04/2025 17:44

Trump has agreed to meet with Jeffrey Goldberg of The Atlantic.

Later today I will be meeting with, of all people, Jeffrey Goldberg, the Editor of The Atlantic, and the person responsible for many fictional stories about me, including the made-up HOAX on ‘Suckers and Losers’ and, SignalGate, something he was somewhat more ‘successful’ with.”
Trump went on to say that Goldberg is bringing along with him the Atlantic’s reporters Michael Scherer and Ashley Parker. He added that he was told by his representatives that the story the Atlantic is writing will be called “The Most Consequential President of this Century.”
I am doing this interview out of curiosity, and as a competition with myself, just to see if it’s possible for The Atlantic to be ‘truthful.’ Are they capable of writing a fair story on ‘TRUMP’?” he said in his Truth Social post.

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PickAChew · 24/04/2025 17:56

Ooh. Consequential is such a long word. He must feel quite flattered by it.

countrygirl99 · 24/04/2025 17:58

Consequential doesn't necessarily mean in a good way. I'd love if thet do a complete takedown when he's thinking it's going to be gloryfying.

AcrossthePond55 · 24/04/2025 18:20

countrygirl99 · 24/04/2025 17:58

Consequential doesn't necessarily mean in a good way. I'd love if thet do a complete takedown when he's thinking it's going to be gloryfying.

Too true. One could certainly say that Hitler or Caligula were 'consequential' according to Webster's definition, points 3 & 4..

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countrygirl99 · 24/04/2025 18:33

And Stalin, Pol Pot. Oh and the black death🤣

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