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Is being a pilot a good job?

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thecatislying · 09/04/2025 17:30

One of my nephews is looking into it. We can find all the official info about the ways to qualify, time it takes, how to do it, salary expectations, what the job is like, etc, but we don't know anyone who has done this job, or even who knows someone who has done it.

Nephew is practical, reliable, very good at maths an science, gets good grades. Not really enjoying school, doesn't like writing, not thrilled about the idea of 4 more years at university so exploring other ideas.

If you have personal experience of either being a pilot or know someone who is one, what's your thoughts? Is it a good job to have?

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ohnowwhatcanitbe · 09/04/2025 21:54

I know someone who had a private licence and then trained as an airline pilot. It cost an absolute fortune. He lasted two years in the job. I think once the novelty wore off, he got rather bored with the endless Dusseldorf to Edinburgh, Edinburgh to Nice, back to Dusseldorf again... repeat ad infinitum. You get the picture.

It wasn't anywhere near as exciting and glamorous as he thought it would be.

SnoozingFox · 09/04/2025 21:56

He could also look into air traffic control - obvs no travel, but well paid and many similar skills.

AgricolaOrBed · 09/04/2025 21:57

It suits a certain personality. You need a VERY low boredom threshold - lots of sitting and staring ahead, without losing concentration, as the autopilot does its thing.

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Tiiiiina · 09/04/2025 21:58

I imagine it being really boring. All the waiting around. I don’t think it’s very different from being a bus driver tbh

wishiwasupahill · 09/04/2025 22:00

IDontHateRainbows · 09/04/2025 21:45

I seem.to remember food poisoning being in the plot of 80s classic film airplane! Maybe that's where it comes from?

Haha, I remember that too. “That’s right, I had the lasagne” Grin

OP, I don’t know much about being a pilot but think it sounds like a great job for the right type person.

im very much a sleep in my own bed every night sort of person so it wouldn’t be for me, but I can certainly see why it appeals to people.

I found @notimagaincomments very interesting.

SpottedDonkey · 09/04/2025 22:07

On balance, yes. Most pilots are lifelong aviation geeks and are doing the only job they ever wanted to do. They love it. There is obviously a lot of responsibility and salaries are good once you get to Captain level. The job still carries a lot of respect & status. Work-life balance is generally good. Being a Captain on long haul aircraft, flying the world with time off down route & being payed £150k+ is still living the dream and many pilots who have worked themselves up to this level dread retirement.

First things first. If your nephew is serious about becoming a pilot, he needs to make sure he can obtain a CAA Class 1 Medical Certificate. This is a prerequisite for a career as a commercial pilot.

Now, the downsides. Unless his parents are rich, he will need to accumulate a LOT of debt (£100k+) paying for his training. Rightly or wrongly, this isn’t like normal student ‘debt’; it’s real debt & he will actually have to pay all of it back. Some airlines have started to offer traineeships, but numbers are tiny & competition is ferocious.

In the UK, a job as a first officer for Ryanair is many people’s first step as a pilot. This is the unglamorous end of the industry. They are posted to whatever obscure corner of Europe suits the company, salaries aren’t great & they have to work as much as regulations allow. It’s a good way to build up flying hours quickly, though.

Source : I worked in the industry for many years.

notimagain · 09/04/2025 22:22

AgricolaOrBed · 09/04/2025 21:57

It suits a certain personality. You need a VERY low boredom threshold - lots of sitting and staring ahead, without losing concentration, as the autopilot does its thing.

There's often enough going on to stave off boredom.

It's not a supersonic battle of wits but if you're doing the job properly whilst the autopilot is doing it's thing you',re keeping an eye on quite a few items that require a bit of consideration that the autopilot can't cope with, limited examples being what and where are the options with regard to enroute alternates, whats the terrain like below (in terms of height) if there's a need to descend due pressurisation probs...

A lot of the time it true it is very routine, yes it can be grim early AM on a nightflight but It's certainly nothing like driving a bus, especially when you get the odd niggles like medical emergencies, avoiding lines of thunderstorms or finding out your destination is closed due weather - you certainly can't pull over and put the handbrake on to give yourself thinking time....

notimagain · 09/04/2025 22:28

ohnowwhatcanitbe · 09/04/2025 21:54

I know someone who had a private licence and then trained as an airline pilot. It cost an absolute fortune. He lasted two years in the job. I think once the novelty wore off, he got rather bored with the endless Dusseldorf to Edinburgh, Edinburgh to Nice, back to Dusseldorf again... repeat ad infinitum. You get the picture.

It wasn't anywhere near as exciting and glamorous as he thought it would be.

What you describe can be an issue at some airlines..bouncing between a limited number of destinations can"t be good for motivation.

Most people's ideal would probably be an airline with a lot of destinations, and a good work allocation (that allows a bit/a lot of choice) and hopefully for short haul a few night stops.

ohnowwhatcanitbe · 10/04/2025 13:32

notimagain · 09/04/2025 22:28

What you describe can be an issue at some airlines..bouncing between a limited number of destinations can"t be good for motivation.

Most people's ideal would probably be an airline with a lot of destinations, and a good work allocation (that allows a bit/a lot of choice) and hopefully for short haul a few night stops.

Well yes, but for a newly-qualified pilot without any prior experience (eg having been in the RAF etc), then the job opportunities are such that you have to take what you can get, and that usually means doing short-haul flights in the UK and/or Europe.

Jane958 · 10/04/2025 13:33

OH was a pilot with a well-known European airline based in Germany. He has retired now, but it still lecturing to trainees and ATC trainees.
In his day the selection process was very tough, everyone took their packed bag to the daily sessions as you were booted out immediately, if you did not pass a session.
Even though he was employed by the airline, he still had to fund his training.
However, once qualified, the world was his oyster. He did mid-haul flights in Europe.
The money is not that brilliant, I could earn more than him working as a freelance, the hours are brutal - shiftwork, even if you are "in the office", but he absolutely loved it.
It is not a career that is conducive to family life, unless you have a very tolerant and independent partner.
There were lots of interesting perks, such as trips to Ferrari and such like, although the traditional flying perks, flights for family etc. were ramped down to zero in the early 2000s.
If you are fascinated by technology, level-headed and enjoy interacting with the public you will be very happy.
Yes, it is true that the captain and co-pilot are given different meals to one another, just in case. It is also true that you almost always fly with people you have never met - that is a safety aspect.

notimagain · 10/04/2025 14:30

ohnowwhatcanitbe · 10/04/2025 13:32

Well yes, but for a newly-qualified pilot without any prior experience (eg having been in the RAF etc), then the job opportunities are such that you have to take what you can get, and that usually means doing short-haul flights in the UK and/or Europe.

True,.not denying that..as a PP mentioned the likes Ryanair and Easy mop up a lot of the newbies, and they are airlines that tend not to nightstop.

The likes of BA shorthaul have more variety and night stops but I know there are grumbles about rostering and other issue there.

There's no way around the fact that the first few years in the industry can be tough, regardless of the image some of the flying training organisations try to project.

notimagain · 10/04/2025 15:04

@Jane958

Yes, it is true that the captain and co-pilot are given different meals to one another, just in case.
For info where I was the medics looked at the whole separate meals thing and dumped the requirement..it was pretty pointless given both.pilots could have dined at McDs on the same items in the hours prior to the flight.

It is also true that you almost always fly with people you have never met - that is a safety aspect.

A lot depends.on the airline, bidding system for trips and pilot numbers.

Where I was we had a thousand plus pilots on some individual fleets, several thousand across the company, pure randomness meant you didn't fly with the same people very often...

crumpet · 10/04/2025 15:08

IDontHateRainbows · 09/04/2025 20:49

What if the pilots meals give them food poisoning though? Or do the pilot and co pilot have different meals?

They do on Cabin Pressure!

Ohthedaffodils · 10/04/2025 18:12

My dh was a military pilot RAF. He started his flying career in the Air Cadets - your nephew might want to take a look at that. Got his PPL at 17.

notimagain · 14/04/2025 10:13

I.know this reactivates a slightly dormant thread but over the weekend remembered a discussion elsewhere:

https://www.pprune.org/professional-pilot-training-includes-ground-studies/521590-my-dream-advice-please-collective-thread.html

Might be of interest to OP, looks fairly level headed and mostly good advice once you edit out old posts (so maybe start near the back) and ignore anything not relevant to your continent of interest (e.g FAA info not really relevant to UK)

The other sections of pprune treat with care, it can be like the wild west at times and not everyone posting is as well informed as they like to make out.

Hope that's of use.

TheSandgroper · 14/04/2025 10:46

John Williamson has a song.

“She was in love with a pilot, he was in love with the sky”.

Quite a few newly trained pilots flying on small, outback lines in Australia, New Guinea etc paying off one bit of debt to prepare for the bigger debt.

notimagain · 14/04/2025 10:57

TheSandgroper · 14/04/2025 10:46

John Williamson has a song.

“She was in love with a pilot, he was in love with the sky”.

Quite a few newly trained pilots flying on small, outback lines in Australia, New Guinea etc paying off one bit of debt to prepare for the bigger debt.

Very true..

Yep, the Aussies seem to have generally held onto working up the ladder from General Aviation, similar in a way in the US. Used to be called "hours building" back in the day.

The "pay >£100 k, for a course, then go straight to the airlines " has become the European way.

Tauranga · 14/04/2025 16:18

notimagain · 14/04/2025 10:57

Very true..

Yep, the Aussies seem to have generally held onto working up the ladder from General Aviation, similar in a way in the US. Used to be called "hours building" back in the day.

The "pay >£100 k, for a course, then go straight to the airlines " has become the European way.

If you did do the pay >£100k....are you guaranteed a job if tou pass the course?
Seems a bit scary to me!
My son is interested but it's so much money!

notanothernamechangemother · 14/04/2025 16:30

Tauranga · 14/04/2025 16:18

If you did do the pay >£100k....are you guaranteed a job if tou pass the course?
Seems a bit scary to me!
My son is interested but it's so much money!

There isn't a guaranteed job if you pass the course. But some airlines 'tag' students which means they will work for the airline once they qualify.

Some of the students take longer to find work, but more than 95% find pilot or aviation roles after they graduate.

notimagain · 14/04/2025 16:38

If you did do the pay >£100k....are you guaranteed a job if tou pass the course?

Ultimately no.😮

A lot of students start training with no job offer and hope it works out when they finish training - most probably get a job of sorts if the market is good, but it might not with their favoured airline at a nice base.

OTOH some students sign up for courses are linked to, even part sponsored by Airlines with promises of job offers at the end but if the industry goes into a slump just as a student graduates the jobs can disappear - and that does happen, maybe once a decade (happened on 2020) - the industry is cyclical and can be fickle as heck.

NainAGP · 14/04/2025 16:40

My son joined the Navy in his early twenties after an aerospace engineering degree and trained as a helicopter pilot. Twenty years later he is now a test pilot and has had experience with fast jets and small planes as well. His quality of life seems excellent; a good income and plenty of travel but more importantly has had great opportunities to use his brain laterally and solve problems. He was always one who needed to keep busy and stimulated though, it may not suit everyone.

backinthebox · 14/04/2025 17:31

Airline pilot here, I’ve just landed from a 5 day trip where I took my DH and DC because it’s the school hols and why not go and have an adventure? In the last year I’ve taken friends and family to the Caribbean, the Far East, on safari, skiing etc. I’ve been in the industry for nearly 30 years, so am far away from the recruitment and initial years side of things, but I’d like to answer a few of the queries that have come up earlier in the thread.

Firstly, it is expensive to get into and the pay isn’t that great….?? Well, it’s like a lot of things. It takes a lot of effort and costs a lot to train, but as another poster has said, many of the airlines are recruiting straight from flying school atm, there is a definite shortage of newly qualified pilots. However, it is a very cyclical industry, and at other times there has been a glut of fresh pilots and not enough jobs (after 911, Gulf War, etc. you can’t predict these things. You can get good luck or bad luck, I know pilots who’ve been at both ends of this particular spectrum.)

Pay, pick of the route networks, trips and days off, priority on staff travel and other perks, and more, are all related to ‘seniority,’ ie how long you have been in the company. If you don’t like your company, you generally don’t get to take your current T&Cs with you, you start again at the bottom of the seniority list. As a result pilots often stay with one airline for much of their career, and this is the main reason that pilots will protest bitterly (to the point of going on strike) if their company doesn’t treat them well, as we can’t just move companies easily. However, ultimately pay isn’t good, regardless of which company you work for. There will always be companies that pay more, but a long haul captain will easily be able to take home £200k+. A freshly qualified pilot with a brand new jet type rating is more likely to be on around 60-70k.

As well as salary, you generally get pension, staff travel, and private medical insurance (airlines don’t like you unfit to fly but otherwise well to work, they need you back flying asap, a pilot is an expensive commodity!) Maternity benefits are generally lousy though, but getting better. Staff Travel varies from airline to airline, but it’s a bit of a skill just to pick a flight you can get on with your cheap standby ticket! OTOH, you do get used to jump seat travel and being bumped off flights, but you also get used to travelling in Business or First too. I book family holidays at very last minute usually based on where we can get to.

’It is rather boring….’ Seriously? I never tire of looking out of the window at the Grand Canyon, the Alps, the ITCZ over Africa (the giant thunderstorms that occur over the Equator,) Greenland and its icebergs. The northern lights, sunsets and sunrises, full moons, Starlink, strange lights in the sky we can’t identify. Roads across deserts that seem to go to nowhere, volcanoes, the Pyramids, the Amazon or the Congo rainforests, the Petronas Towers lit up at night, with all the little fishing boats lit by green lights off the Malaysian coast. The Palace of Westminster and Winter Wonderland in Hyde Park lit up for Christmas, fireworks at Diwali, the islands of the Maldives picking out the little water bungalows, the Eye of Africa meteor crater, Kilimanjaro, Everest, Mont Blanc, Christ the Redeemer and the Sugar Loaf Mountain in Rio, the Corinth Canal, Niagara Falls, the Manhattan Skyline. All of these and more, you see them all the time and they are spectacular from the air.

Then we have the aircraft and it’s possible defects to find workarounds so we can complete the flight, weather to avoid and negotiate our way around, passenger issues - everything from medical emergencies to ‘far too merry’ holiday makers kicking up trouble. We have to be able to make plans and change them under considerable time pressure, because once a situation starts to roll, you have to see it out to its conclusion without stopping flying the aircraft. We deal with cultures both familiar and strange to us, and are expected to be able to work in the most foreign of situations as though we go there all the time (sometimes we do, sometimes we go somewhere we’ve never been before in our lives.)

We get to explore these destinations we go to, sometimes just for an hour or so, other times for as many as 5 or 6 days. I’ve stayed in some of the most exciting places in the world over the last 3 decades, and had adventures I cannot even begin to describe. This year alone I have slept in a tent in the bush listening to lions roar outside, I’ve scuba dived with sharks, eaten a curry so good it’s spoilt British takeaways forever for me, climbed a famous mountain, and partied on 3 different continents.

Lifestyle…. there is no sugar coating this, it can be tough, especially at the beginning. You are away from home a lot, you work antisocial hours and the airlines run every day of the year, including weekends and bank holiday. You miss school plays, birthdays, Christmas, family occasions, etc. but having just listened to ex-doctor Adam Kaye’s ‘This is Going To Hurt’ on audiobook, we are not the only profession who work these weird hours. As a community we set up little groups and networks to swap trips so you can make special events at home if you need to, and rather quickly many pilots with family go part time to spend more time at home. You can fly short haul and be home every night, but then you miss the adventure of travel and downroute fun. OTOH, you will probably not be being bored, as flying round Europe seems to consist of school holidays madness, or dealing with awful weather in the winter, both of which can be challenging situations. As a very senior part time long haul pilot these days I do 2 trips a month, normally a total of around 8 days, and can pick my destinations. I am just trying to decide whether I like the look of Singapore, Cancun or Mauritius best for my next month’s picks. And the great thing about the job is that once you are at the airport, there is very little you can do outside of channeling this runaway train which is your next flight. You just have to go with it, and cannot be distracted by anything at home. It can be a nice escape this feeling, or a terrible distraction if you’ve got complicate stuff going on.

The conviction some posters seem to have that you have to be a complete aviation geek is not entirely true. I got into flying because I like the sensation of flight and looking at the scenery. I am a map geek, not a plane geek. It takes all sorts to be a pilot, and I fly with some very interesting people. My latest co-pilot I flew with has a lucrative sideline as a famous lookalike, but a lot of the pilots I fly with have successful sidelines or hobbies. I’ve flown with expert sportsmen and women, mountaineers, authors, business men and women, even a diamond dealer. Some of them have already had one exciting career before flying for the airlines - former Red Arrows pilots, doctors, academics, lawyers and more. But there are also a lot of pilots who just want to go to work, do a good job in an interesting profession, and get back to their families. Many of them live overseas somewhere sunny or snowy or just cheaper, and commute on their Staff Travel. Some make their job more interesting by becoming trainers or airline managers.

It’s a tough job to get into, and 6 monthly exams in the simulator and a medical examination annually mean it’s a tough job to keep too. But it is definitely not badly paid or boring! Only someone who had never done it would say that.

EndorsingPRActice · 14/04/2025 17:39

A friend’s son is now 20 and is on the BA traineeship program. It was very competitive to get in, he needed top grade maths and science A levels, also several interviews and workshops as part of the recruitment process. Since starting at 18 it has been intensive and hard work. He is enjoying it but it’s not for the faint hearted and my friend is a bit worried by how exhausted he is at the moment. He did spend several months in Spain last year which I think he loved.

nopineapplepizza · 14/04/2025 17:55

It’s a shift work job that can have a massive knock-on effect to your work-life balance, especially in the early years when you have very little sway in where you’re sent.

So he needs to be the type of person that won’t mind potentially missing weddings and special occasions or even the birth of your child if you end up overseas when the baby pops out.

Also, when everyone is partying in the evening, you may be ready for bed because you’ve worked all night and when you want to socialise, others may not be free as they have traditional Mon-Fri, 9-5 jobs and your days/time off vary massively.

Whilst you’re young, free and single it’s a good way to see the world and have some fun.

Sunshineandgrapefruit · 14/04/2025 18:41

I would imagine like anything it depends what type. Military/ research/ specialised planes/ flying school probably really interesting. Flying London to Majorca twice a day several times a week probably really dull.

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