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Police arrest parents who slate school on class WhatsApp

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noblegiraffe · 29/03/2025 09:29

A primary school sought advice from the police after '“a high volume of direct correspondence and public social media posts” that had become upsetting for staff, parents and governors.' and the police response was to send 6 officers to their house to arrest the couple making the posts and put them in a cell all day.

Although the couple sound like an absolute pain in the arse who should pack it in, 6 police officers seems like a teensy bit of overkill, particularly with the amount of crime currently going uninvestigated. But with schools faced with spiralling numbers of vexatious parental complaints, something needs to happen. I think some unions are starting to offer legal advice and template solicitor letters for this situation.

https://www.thetimes.com/article/d8c8566b-99b1-45c6-814b-008042d74a3a?shareToken=6deab807d148cf7695ed4d9d3664c51e

Police arrest parents who complained in school WhatsApp group

The couple were detained in front of their daughter and kept in a cell for eight hours over their messages on the app as well as emails sent to the school

https://www.thetimes.com/article/d8c8566b-99b1-45c6-814b-008042d74a3a?shareToken=6deab807d148cf7695ed4d9d3664c51e

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TheCastleDoesNotReply · 02/04/2025 02:46

Hercisback1 · 01/04/2025 18:44

This is similar to arguing with the zero exclusions people. They're convinced every exclusion is illegal and little Freddie didn't deserve it because his needs weren't being met.

It is highly unlikely that parents were banned from the site for a minor reason. My experience in multiple schools is that parents should be banned for their behaviour, long before they are.

It’s not though, is it? Posters who have said the school’s behaviour in this case was unjustifiable generally have put forward their views in a balanced and nuanced way, stated that the school was in the wrong in this case and have referred to the available evidence which demonstrates this. Many (including me) have also acknowledged that sometimes schools do indeed have to deal with unreasonable or intimidating parents, it’s merely that there is no evidence (as far as we know) that these particular ones fell into that category. Many posters who believe based on the available evidence that this school acted wrongly in this case have also recognised that some schools have decent Heads who would never behave in such a manner and that most class teachers are excellent and not responsible for there being a significant proportion of schools where the leadership ignore the law, statutory responsibilities and treat parents with contempt.

It appears to be the school that in this case applied a blanket assumption that all complaints must be unwarranted and therefore constitute “harassment” rather than have looked at the individual circumstances and the merit of it and tried to work with the parents to resolve things constructively. And it appears to be posters who work in the education sector who have vociferously defended this school’s behaviour despite the evidence of extremely unreasonable behaviour from this school to these parents, and assumed that these parents contacting this school frequently and making a complaint in itself is an indicator of wrongdoing and that them doing so was “vexatious” despite there being no available evidence which supports this. It is these posters defending the school who seems to be taking an extreme, implausible and biased position of “parents = bad, school = good”.

TheCastleDoesNotReply · 02/04/2025 02:55

Hercisback1 · 01/04/2025 18:46

Schools really don't do things for no reason. We work hard enough as it is. Why would we make extra effort for no reason?

You seem to come from the other extreme that schools are always doing unreasonable things, and best fire all those teachers ASAP.

(newsflash, they're already walking due to people like you).

This post is a perfect example of the above. ^^

”Schools don’t really do thingd for no reason.” Aka, when there is a disagreement between a school and parents you assume the school must be correct, and must have acted with integrity. Yet there is a great deal of evidence that the one in this case did not do so, and that many others do not do so either.

Would it not be strange if education was the only sector in which there were absolutely perfect professionals, no bad apples, and everything was always done competently and legally? Hence there being deemed to be no need for a proper regulator to enforce the law, I suppose!

Your position is simply unrealistic, and doesn’t correspond to the large amount of piblicly available data, especially in cases where the disagreement is between a school and the parents of a child with SEND. Do you genuinely believe that all of these cases are made up, and that objective judges are getting their decisions wrong in the 98% of such cases that come before them, in which they find in favour of the parents? If you are a rational person it should be quite clear to you that schools are not always in the right and it is not a tenable position to argue. A determination to maintain such a belief despite all evidence to the contrary will inevitably significantly cloud your judgement and capacity to be objective.

TheCastleDoesNotReply · 02/04/2025 03:00

Lolapusht · 01/04/2025 18:59

What evidence?

I mean actual evidence rather than an extrapolation of evidence based on the school’s actions?

You are taking the fact they were banned from the premises as evidence that they should have been banned from the premises.

Countless examples have been given of the unreasonable behaviour, all of which are totally unreasonable, that some people have experienced at the hands of abusive parents. All of them have been worse than what has been described on countless news outlets.

Do you accept that it might be a possibility that this has resulted from someone at the school taking an unreasonable stance on what the parents wrote then doubling down and banning them form the premises?

The police involvement may have come from an overly sensitive reaction to parental griping. From what has been said, the detectives hadn’t reviewed the evidence so the arrests would have been done to further their investigation. Sounds like when they did look at the emails/whatsapps they decided they didn’t meet the legal standard of criminal activity.

So someone at school thinks they’ve got a pair of really abusive, horrible parents. Bans them from the premises. Decides to involve the police. Tells them they’ve got malicious communications etc from parents. Police assume that because a complaint has been made it must be true, cracks on with the process. Arrests the parents to further their investigation. Detectives actually read the emails etc and decide there’s nothing there. Decides no further action is necessary. And the advice they sought from the police? How did it end up becoming an investigation rather than an informal chat?

I absolutely condemn abusive behaviour and know exactly what teachers have to put up with, but I have seen nothing to suggest these particulars parents were abusive and that police involvement was required.

Exactly. Perfectly put.

TheCastleDoesNotReply · 02/04/2025 04:34

LittleBigHead · 01/04/2025 18:56

That was my first response, but you should listen to the husband giving his side of the story on Andrew Gold's Heretics podcast/YouTube. It was overkill.

This is such an enlightening interview. Thank you for posting it. The father seems to be a very calm, reasonable and rational person. It really is appalling if no action is taken against the school staff involved for having demonised this family like this, with no consideration at all for the impact on the little girl who has had her school life so horribly disrupted as a result. I think everyone who has posted here about this should watch this. It’s also interesting that he mentions the GDPR issue that I noted earlier in the thread.

These were private messages not data released in a public forum, and extracting such data and using it for other purposes without consent is an offence. A PP tried to argue that this doesn’t fall under GDPR but this is not legally correct and this is an offence. The PP then tried to draw a false equivalence between parents expecting open and transparent communication from the school about their children (a legal requirement) and a school expecting to be able to either access private conversations between parents and process the personal data they have extracted from spying on these conversations for other purposes, or indeed try to implement illegal policies to try to prevent people from having private conversations at all if they involve scrutiny or criticism of a public organisation such as a school, and the organisation doesn’t like it.

Clearly these two things are not equivalent. Misuse of personal data shared in a private context like this is totally unacceptable and the law prohibits it. It is in no way equivalent to expecting transparency in the direct communications between school and home. This invasion into private discussion is more akin to a school demanding that they can put a camera in your home 1984 style. There is no difference, in substance, to a private conversation via Whatsapp and a private face-to-face conversation. Do the school staff want a camera put in their staff room so parents can live-view their conversations? Will they provide all of their private Whatsapp messages to family or friends that mention anything about their job or the children or parents at school? Privacy of private conversations and correspondence is essential for democracy to function and these invasions of privacy are very serious. This is in no way comparable to the legal requirement for transparency in direct communications between public bodies and individuals, and members of the public having access through SARs to the data an organisation holds on them for valid organisational purposes for which the individual has consented to provide that data.

Fundamentally, as well as very unreasonable behaviour to these individual parents, this case highlights huge overreach from some public bodies including clearly some schools, invading people’s privacy. It’s in everyone’s interests that this has been brought to light. I think these parents are very brave to have come forward to speak about what happened to them as the entire thing seems to have been designed to intimidate and shame them to deter them from doing exactly that, so they’ve performed quite a significant public service by doing so (which inevitably would and has involved quite some additional intrusion into their lives). One can only hope that things will change as a result of this and that schools in particular will rethink similar behaviour to other parents and have a better understanding of the extent of their legal rights and obligations in their communication with children and parents.

TheCastleDoesNotReply · 02/04/2025 05:19

Fabulosia · 01/04/2025 19:41

Does anyone have screenshots of any of the WhatsApp messages so we can see what it was actually all about?

The “worst” ones were published by the couple voluntarily in the article in The Times. They consist of the mother referring to one member of school staff as a “control freak” (after they issued a letter to all parents with children at the school demanding that they should not have any private discussions about the school, so arguably a fair comment) and another message where she said that in her opinion, one member of SLT “didn’t know what they were doing” (also seemingly quite accurate given the school clearly not having appropriate procedures in place even to comply with basic legal requirements).

To characterise such comments - in private conversations which the school should not have been spying on anyway - as “malicious communications” or “harassment” is farcical, as the police evidently concluded. I think it’s highly likely that the school staff in question said far worse about the parents. I wonder if the school staff are offering up for public scrutiny all private messages they exchanged with family and friends about the situation? The parents should certainly issue an SAR to obtain all data held about them by the school, which I’d be not at all surprised to show far worse personal comments than that.

As I said earlier in the thread, it is surely the very definition of being a “control freak” to report someone to the police accusing them of “harassment” and “malicious communication” for having called you a “control freak” in a private conversation which you later heard about second-hand because you had people snooping on their private discussions and relaying private information to you illegally.

FrippEnos · 02/04/2025 07:32

LittleBigHead · 01/04/2025 18:56

That was my first response, but you should listen to the husband giving his side of the story on Andrew Gold's Heretics podcast/YouTube. It was overkill.

He is certainly pulling in a few favours.

TheCastleDoesNotReply · 02/04/2025 07:59

FrippEnos · 02/04/2025 07:32

He is certainly pulling in a few favours.

So yet again, trying to cast aspertions on the parents rather than engaging with any of the substantive points, i.e. (in no particular order):

  1. there being no evidence at all of illegal behaviour from the parents;

  2. the police having reviewed all of the evidence - which would have evidenced the school’s claims of alleged “malicious communications” and “harassment” if such offences had taken place because all communication was in writing, at the school’s behest, yet the police found not a single communication that provided any evidence to support the school’s accusation;

  3. the parents, therefore, having been unreasonably banned from the school and communication with their child’s teacher, creating huge safeguarding risks given her medical conditions and in breach of various laws and regulations;

  4. the impact on this family of these false accusations and their false arrest;

  5. the impact on this vulnerable, disabled 9 year old of having been treated in such an unacceptable way and not allowed to participate in school life in the same way as her peers due to the treatment of her parents by the school;

  6. the serious implications for democracy and privacy of schools breaking the law and invading the privacy of parents by spying on private communications and gathering personal data then misusing this without consent, and also trying to dictate what parents can communicate about privately which is completely outwith their jurisdiction, and the indications that they may well have breached GDPR by illegally processing personal data without consent;

  7. evidence of clear legal breaches by the school regarding education law and in particular their legal responsibilities to children with SEND and their families, particularly in respect of illegal communication policies implemented which put a child with a potentially fatal medical condition at unnecessary risk, breached the Children and Families Act 2014, the statutory SEND Code of Practice 2015;

  8. the disturbing fact that despite a significant amount of the evidence in the public domain about this case indicating misconduct by school staff, breaches of professional standards and the law and regulations, there has been complete silence as far as I know from OFSTED and the TRA regarding what action they will take on this matter, when they should be suspending the school staff involved pending investigation and then removing their professional qualifications and levying significant fines on the Local Authority and school, if they were a competent regulator;

  9. the police interference with the legitimate work of a democratic representative with oversight of education; and

  10. why the police were making arrests for a crime of which they did not even know the legal definition and so clearly had no established grounds for arrest, despite already being in possession of the evidence that proved no crime had been committed.

I could go on.

Pomegranatecarnage · 02/04/2025 08:03

User46576 · 01/04/2025 09:39

Where are you getting “violent sexual comments” from? You mean calling the acting head a “control freak”? That’s not criminal.

people should be absolutely free to discuss others and state their opinions on a private WhatsApp group provided they are not advocating violence or anything unlawful which the couple in this case were not. You might not like people saying unfavorable things about public bodies but we should have the right to do so.

Look at the quote history. I was replying to another poster about sexually aggressive comments posted online in my school’s local facebook book about a female teacher-comments such as “I bet she ……up the ……”. I said it was unacceptable but another poster saw it as free speech.

Pomegranatecarnage · 02/04/2025 08:07

User46576 · 01/04/2025 09:39

Where are you getting “violent sexual comments” from? You mean calling the acting head a “control freak”? That’s not criminal.

people should be absolutely free to discuss others and state their opinions on a private WhatsApp group provided they are not advocating violence or anything unlawful which the couple in this case were not. You might not like people saying unfavorable things about public bodies but we should have the right to do so.

@User46576

Police arrest parents who slate school on class WhatsApp
FrippEnos · 02/04/2025 08:10

TheCastleDoesNotReply · 02/04/2025 07:59

So yet again, trying to cast aspertions on the parents rather than engaging with any of the substantive points, i.e. (in no particular order):

  1. there being no evidence at all of illegal behaviour from the parents;

  2. the police having reviewed all of the evidence - which would have evidenced the school’s claims of alleged “malicious communications” and “harassment” if such offences had taken place because all communication was in writing, at the school’s behest, yet the police found not a single communication that provided any evidence to support the school’s accusation;

  3. the parents, therefore, having been unreasonably banned from the school and communication with their child’s teacher, creating huge safeguarding risks given her medical conditions and in breach of various laws and regulations;

  4. the impact on this family of these false accusations and their false arrest;

  5. the impact on this vulnerable, disabled 9 year old of having been treated in such an unacceptable way and not allowed to participate in school life in the same way as her peers due to the treatment of her parents by the school;

  6. the serious implications for democracy and privacy of schools breaking the law and invading the privacy of parents by spying on private communications and gathering personal data then misusing this without consent, and also trying to dictate what parents can communicate about privately which is completely outwith their jurisdiction, and the indications that they may well have breached GDPR by illegally processing personal data without consent;

  7. evidence of clear legal breaches by the school regarding education law and in particular their legal responsibilities to children with SEND and their families, particularly in respect of illegal communication policies implemented which put a child with a potentially fatal medical condition at unnecessary risk, breached the Children and Families Act 2014, the statutory SEND Code of Practice 2015;

  8. the disturbing fact that despite a significant amount of the evidence in the public domain about this case indicating misconduct by school staff, breaches of professional standards and the law and regulations, there has been complete silence as far as I know from OFSTED and the TRA regarding what action they will take on this matter, when they should be suspending the school staff involved pending investigation and then removing their professional qualifications and levying significant fines on the Local Authority and school, if they were a competent regulator;

  9. the police interference with the legitimate work of a democratic representative with oversight of education; and

  10. why the police were making arrests for a crime of which they did not even know the legal definition and so clearly had no established grounds for arrest, despite already being in possession of the evidence that proved no crime had been committed.

I could go on.

Edited

Please do, It will make a change from the comments that you have made that have contained disparaging swipes against those that have a different view from you.

But given the amount of airtime, media presence and twisting of what has gone on, its almost as if their is some sort of campaign behind this.

TheCastleDoesNotReply · 02/04/2025 08:19

FrippEnos · 02/04/2025 08:10

Please do, It will make a change from the comments that you have made that have contained disparaging swipes against those that have a different view from you.

But given the amount of airtime, media presence and twisting of what has gone on, its almost as if their is some sort of campaign behind this.

I see. Moved on to conspiracy theories now, have we? Do you have any evidence for this or is it just motivated by prejudice and bias like your other unevidenced assertions in previous posts?

FrippEnos · 02/04/2025 13:08

TheCastleDoesNotReply · 02/04/2025 08:19

I see. Moved on to conspiracy theories now, have we? Do you have any evidence for this or is it just motivated by prejudice and bias like your other unevidenced assertions in previous posts?

I no longer believe that you are posting in good faith.

TheCastleDoesNotReply · 02/04/2025 14:08

Excuse me? You’re now trying to cast aspersions on me? That’s really inappropriate.

SinnerBoy · 02/04/2025 16:43

Well, this has been quite the thread! Guesswork heaped with conjecture, draped with supposition, supported by a veritable regiment of strawmen!

The facts appear to be that the couple complained about the selection process,or lack thereof, for finding a new head. Some sneak told the head, who banned them and told them to communicate by email.

Some posters have said, "It's obvious that they've been aggressive and intimidating, otherwise the school wouldn't have banned them." There is zero evidence to support such a bold statement.

Next, "But they had 45 email chains! That's definitely harassment!" Here, the evidence points the other way, logically, because the Police have said that there was no case to answer. There is no evidence of harassment, or abuse.

OK, so next we move on to, "A teacher at my school was sworn at an threatened!" And then "A teacher at my school was stalked to her home!" And then "Our head was assaulted!" The posters writing this come to the counterfactual conclusion, that because of these actual cases, the couple here are guilty of at least aggression and intimidation, deserving arrest.

There's also a narrative that teachers are always consumate professionals, are only ever victims and would never do anything underhand, so the couple must be guilty.

Finally, we have, "Well, the Police were investigated and found to have done no wrong." Yes, Herts Police investigated themselves and to everyone's surprise, ruled themselves to be as pure as the driven snow.

AzurePanda · 03/04/2025 09:15

@SinnerBoy agree with your summary. When I heard about this story my first reaction was “nightmare parents”. It very quickly became apparent though that the whole thing was a grotesque overreach by the school.

leli · 03/04/2025 13:59

AzurePanda · 03/04/2025 09:15

@SinnerBoy agree with your summary. When I heard about this story my first reaction was “nightmare parents”. It very quickly became apparent though that the whole thing was a grotesque overreach by the school.

And the police! Most of all the police who are now a law unto themselves.

AzurePanda · 03/04/2025 16:34

@leli, absolutely - I should have also said the police. They really behaved appallingly.

zenactive · 04/04/2025 14:00

TheCastleDoesNotReply · 02/04/2025 14:08

Excuse me? You’re now trying to cast aspersions on me? That’s really inappropriate.

I just wanted to offer some solidarity here, as I have been on the receiving end of "I no longer believe you are posting in good faith" - not on an education thread, though the same thing applied that I was clearly posting not only in good faith but also good sense! I wondered about it at the time.

The seige mentality you mentioned earlier in the thread feels like an attack by a mob when you are on the receiving end. I have seen it on school threads, but also politics (Trump vs Harris) world affairs (peace negotiations vs raising defence budgets etc) literacy (spelling and grammar). On one of the school threads I have seen, the OP was saying that they were unhappy about certain things at their DC's senior school and wanted help with strategies to help dc cope until they could move, and was faced with around 90 % of posters telling her that her child was behaving badly, she should parent better, her child was lying, that lying leads to terrorism, all completely irrelevant to the question asked.

Re this thread, policies which are brought in to protect staff from threats are good, but if the policies are misused for whatever reason then this sort of thing (this thread) could be the thin edge of the wedge.

There are quite a few interest groups getting a lot of money in funding at the moment, some of them minority, some of them with conflicting interests, and because vast amounts of money are involved then changes are being brought about, and that all feels slightly out of control too.

I watched a Sky News Aus report about a toddler being excluded from nursery due to being anti trans in the UK earlier this week. The report commented that over 90 children of varying ages had been excluded or sanctioned for similar reasons in UK schools 2022-3. One of the commentators also referred to concerns about the state gaining more control over parent choices re education.

No doubt someone will tell me now that they no longer believe that I am posting in good faith!

TheCastleDoesNotReply · 05/04/2025 12:31

zenactive · 04/04/2025 14:00

I just wanted to offer some solidarity here, as I have been on the receiving end of "I no longer believe you are posting in good faith" - not on an education thread, though the same thing applied that I was clearly posting not only in good faith but also good sense! I wondered about it at the time.

The seige mentality you mentioned earlier in the thread feels like an attack by a mob when you are on the receiving end. I have seen it on school threads, but also politics (Trump vs Harris) world affairs (peace negotiations vs raising defence budgets etc) literacy (spelling and grammar). On one of the school threads I have seen, the OP was saying that they were unhappy about certain things at their DC's senior school and wanted help with strategies to help dc cope until they could move, and was faced with around 90 % of posters telling her that her child was behaving badly, she should parent better, her child was lying, that lying leads to terrorism, all completely irrelevant to the question asked.

Re this thread, policies which are brought in to protect staff from threats are good, but if the policies are misused for whatever reason then this sort of thing (this thread) could be the thin edge of the wedge.

There are quite a few interest groups getting a lot of money in funding at the moment, some of them minority, some of them with conflicting interests, and because vast amounts of money are involved then changes are being brought about, and that all feels slightly out of control too.

I watched a Sky News Aus report about a toddler being excluded from nursery due to being anti trans in the UK earlier this week. The report commented that over 90 children of varying ages had been excluded or sanctioned for similar reasons in UK schools 2022-3. One of the commentators also referred to concerns about the state gaining more control over parent choices re education.

No doubt someone will tell me now that they no longer believe that I am posting in good faith!

Edited

Thank you, @zenactive . I appreciate the solidarity, as it is like bashing your head on a wall trying to have conversations with these people who seem determined to declare the sky is bright orange, the Sun is green and the moon is purple. Disconcerting, very worrying for the children who will be impacted by such irrational behaviour blindly believing everything a school does by definition must be correct, and refusing to accept any factual evidence proving the contrary.

What a depressing state of affairs it all is. A few teachers like @howchildrenreallylearn have come forward to be honest about the reality but most seem to have this siege mentality and view any type of request/ communication/ complaint from a parent as “vexatious” and “harassment”. Of course staff must be protected from intimidation, violence or threats, but it’s quite a leap from that (which I’ve not seen a single person disagree with) to claiming that any critique of a school or its staff is unwarranted, that what schools refuse to comply with the law and parents complain this is “harassment”, and that schools refusing to rectify their behaviour and resolve these complaints and restore legal compliance necessitating the parents contacting them about this repeatedly means that the parents are at fault and should be demonised, or even arrested based on false allegations of crimes that clearly never took place.

I hope that something comes out of these parents being brave enough to publicise how appallingly they are treated. I think a “me too” type campaign where parents can post anonymously what has happened to them - because of the risks that the article and accounts on this thread highlight of speaking publicly about it due to this intimidating by schools and the potential impact that may have on their children - might be the only way to amass the evidence so that politicians can no longer ignore the scum floating on top of the pond in the education profession, which must be scraped off so that the teachers and the children can breathe again. I genuinely cannot see anything improving in the education sector - for staff (so that those like @howchildrenreallylearn don’t leave, which is so sad), and for the pupils damaged by this appalling behaviour from schools, not to mention the impact on their families - until a powerful, zero-tolerance regulator is put in place which immediately suspends staff while reports misconduct is investigated and then imposes sufficiently significant fines on schools and Local Authorities for every single case of law breaking to remove the financial incentive for this behaviour. This would also significantly improve the relationship between school and parents because a competent independent body would resolve these disputes rather than it being left up to individual parents to try to enforce the law in every individual case of this type of appalling behaviour from schools, and then these poor families demonised and gaslighted for doing so. That’s just not a reasonable expectation of vulnerable families already dealing with disabilities, and you can see from the comments on the thread what such a dysfunctional system leads to: false assumptions that the family must be at fault, because surely otherwise a school would never do this…

Yet we know that they do, court cases prove this over and over again. It’s actually incredibly rare for a a court to find in favour of the school in a dispute between a family of a child with SEND and their school. Yet somehow, these facts don’t seem to register with people who’ve never had to deal with it and they assume that school staff will behave professionally, that there are proper checks and balances and oversight in place… but there aren’t. The only solution is to replace OFSTED with a real regulator who comes down like a ton of bricks on this and Local Authorities then having the financial incentive to be pressuring Head Teachers to comply with the law, rather than the opposite perverse incentive that exists now. And for the individual school staff involved to know that if they were aware of breaches of the law/ regulations and didn’t whistleblow, didn’t act, condoned or went along with it, they will have their professional qualifications removed and be barred from working with children in perpetuity.

Let’s hope that these brave parents subjecting themselves to yet more invasion of their private life for the public good actually initiates some change in the sector, which is very long overdue, and fewer disabled children in future have to be subjected to the safeguarding risks to which this school subjected the girl in the article, that fewer families have to cope with such horrific treatment by schools in future, and that teachers’ working environment will also be far more pleasant when the law is properly enforced (surely it’d be less stressful for them being managed by competent management, knowing professional and ethical standards and the law is upheld, that disabled children are treated with respect, and they’d obviously have to deal with far fewer complaints from parents or relationships with parents that become difficult if this was the case!).

The solution is so obvious, yet bizarrely you still get these delusional education staff working against their own interests as well as against the interests of the children, posting the kind of nonsense we’ve seen on this thread. Anyone who complains MUST be being “vexatious” and of course the school must be correct and wouldn’t be being unreasonable, because they’re a school so by definition they must be right at all times and parents should just shut up.

It’s horrific, and I really hope a change in coming. It has to or the whole system will collapse. But sadly, when you see the utterly clueless comments from Phillipson and her policy proposals, articles talking about “changing parental expectations”, absolutely no grip whatsoever on what the problems are or any kind of plan to fix them, she obviously isn’t going to be the person to do this. She’s actually talking about trying to make it harder for parents to enforce the law, rather than clamping down on schools and Local Authorities who break it, and ensuring a regulator enforces the law like in every other sector, so that the parents aren’t having to do it themselves. Just as delusional as some of the posts from teachers on here: such an approach will make things even worse for children and teachers.

I hope eventually the UK will manage to put together something vaguely resembling a functioning education system. It will require much more funding and a lot more scrutiny, strengthening of the rights of children and very strong regulation and enforcement to change the culture, but it’s clearly going to take many more parents like Maxie and Rosalind stepping forward and exposing the reality of it (that it’s in a greater state of collapse than even the NHS) before this will happen.

Schools, per this article, actively try to bully and intimidate parents into not speaking up so many people are unaware of just how bad it is and then you get the “no smoke without a fire nonsense”, when in fact the fire has been burning for 30+ years and is now an inferno and these parents did not start it, they just got thrown onto it as more fuel by this Head Teacher.

Isn’t is also interesting how @noblegiraffe hasn’t been back to this thread for days because it did not go how she’d hoped, yet she’s been happily posting on this one instead trying to derail that:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5306127-maxie-allen-and-rosalind-levine-arrested-the-vindictiveness-of-the-school-and-police-overreach?page=10

One can only hope that a sufficient number of people are rational enough to see that changing this rotten culture in schools and providing decent education to all children must be a national priority now, as important as defence, and that any staff who support illegal, bullying, discriminatory and intimidating behaviour to families must be removed from the profession, not defended by people who refuse to accept that a teacher can be anything but angelic.

dapsnotplimsolls · 05/04/2025 12:56

Any chance of a TLDR? If you think you've 'won', it's only because you've bludgeoned us with ridiculously long posts that we're too knackered to read.

TheCastleDoesNotReply · 05/04/2025 13:05

dapsnotplimsolls · 05/04/2025 12:56

Any chance of a TLDR? If you think you've 'won', it's only because you've bludgeoned us with ridiculously long posts that we're too knackered to read.

Another teacher by any chance?

A few paragraphs is too much effort to read, yet these are the people who are meant to be teaching children, encouraging their love of learning, and reading books (which, I’m afraid, are usually significantly longer than all of the posts on this Mumsnet thread put together).

If you can’t be bothered to read the posts or engage in the discussion then you have the choice not to do so.

Not everything - especially if it is balanced, nuanced, well-explained and rationally argued - can be expressed in a three word slogan just because some people are too lazy to read something a few paragraphs long.

dapsnotplimsolls · 05/04/2025 13:08

'... especially if it is balanced, nuanced, well-explained and rationally argued ... '

Wow.

TheCastleDoesNotReply · 05/04/2025 13:08

I’m also not sure exactly what you think I am trying to “win”. Is there some kind of prize?

The only prize I’m interested in is decent education for the children of the UK, which also ensures that no more families have to endure appalling behaviour from schools like this family has suffered and similar behaviour from schools that has been inflicted on many other vulnerable children and their families.

TheCastleDoesNotReply · 05/04/2025 13:09

dapsnotplimsolls · 05/04/2025 13:08

'... especially if it is balanced, nuanced, well-explained and rationally argued ... '

Wow.

I know, it’s clearly quite a revelation to some posters here that this is how most people approach analysis of a topic.

dapsnotplimsolls · 05/04/2025 13:10

Just for clarity, I've been a teacher for nearly 30 years so I'm very aware that some school leaders can be questionable, as can governors, teachers and other school staff. However, in this case, I think the main problem is the ego of a man who thought he should have more of a say in the appointment of a new headteacher. I'd LOVE to know why he was no longer a governor.

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