MLM & En-suites. Generally hated on MN but why?

[Tumblingthrough]

I love my en-suite and have no problem buying from MLM and can’t understand the hate.

What else?
Cyclists?

You forgot "Hey hun!"

Best case scenario, the products are OK, just 5 or 6 times the price they would be if the company producing them didn’t have to pay commission to 5 or 6 layers of sellers.

Worst case scenario, the products are useless / harmful.

Even the companies with decent products don’t sell a lot to end consumers - their entire business model is flogging the goods to the sales reps.

It’s one of the ways to distinguish the MLMs from normal commission based sales.

Susie the Sephora Salesperson (for example) gets paid commission based on her sales. She does not have to buy the products she is selling before selling them on.

Marie the MLM Marketer usually buys every single item before selling it. This is the case even with the MLM organisations that say purchasing isn’t necessary.

For example, Mary Kay is one of the oldest such businesses. They get people through the door by telling them they can sign up for a minimal sum but then tell people ‘you can’t sell from an empty wagon’ (known catch-phrase) and arrange for their ‘independent salesforce’ to buy thousands of dollars of make up each (generally with no consideration of their market or whether the product will sell).

MLM's enough has been said.

En-suites are fab if your home is big enough to have a proper one.

However many new builds squeeze it beside the front door, kitchen or corner of a bedroom. I've even seen one off the living room. Who wants to crap in any of those places and if you only use them for a wee then what is the point?

I viewed a 2 bed new build with 3 toilets wtf? Both the downstairs and the en-suite would have been better used as storage space or a bigger room.

I dont think anyone can help the noises or smell their poo makes can they? It's hardly about respect!

Nothing whatsoever. The OP was just using the fact that the personal
preferences about en-suites can get a bit heated on Mumsnet to suggest that any objections to MLMs are also just a personal preference and that the people who dislike them shouldn’t be given any more weight than the people who insist the products are good and they totally know loads of people who have made money from them.

It’s a classic argument from MLM sellers. If the OP isn’t a member of an MLM herself, my guess is she is being heavily recruited by her friends who are and said friends are trotting out the standard spiel.

"Even the companies with decent products don’t sell a lot to end consumers - their entire business model is flogging the goods to the sales reps.".

Agree @CandidHedgehog. The reason we know that MLM operates through a continuous cycle of recruiting new customers (who think they're entrepreneurs selling products) is that uplines are rewarded for their recruits purchases not their sales to "real" customers. What do we call an organisation that recruits people to recruit people to recruit people who all put money in which is passed upward, usually without them seeing a return on their investment unless they recruit many victims under them? The exchange of the "investment" for product isn't relevant though it's a good disguise.

Mindset coaching is now the new product in MLM.

Nothing to add about en suites!

As @madamweb says, they do usually have doors, @Jk987. If the door is kept shut, there is no smell from the en suite getting through to the bedroom, I promise.

I love being able to wander to the loo without having to put on a dressing gown, and I love not having to share a bathroom with anyone apart from dh.

But it is all down to individual choice, so luckily en suites aren’t compulsory.

Because I use the en-suite to bath, shower, makeup, a general pamper; do a morning or night time wee etc etc.
and yes, I do shit in it when DH is out of the house or downstairs.

I love locking my bedroom door and having my bedroom and en-suite to myself. No chance of bumping into anyone else wandering about the landing. Maybe a bath with my book and a glass of wine. Bliss.

@Tumblingthrough it's only me, my husband and teenage daughter so one bathroom suits us fine.
If I had a bigger family and a bigger home then maybe I would like one.
I don't hate them. I just don't generally see the point 🙂

I grew up with my parents having one and I liked that our bathroom and shower was just for the kids. I’d love one here but I’m in London and not many new builds so not really any en suites

Is the name not self-explanatory?

We chose the branding name because of its clear yet delicate euphemistic vibe; but I'll pass your consumer feedback that it may actually be ambiguous to some on to our marketing department!

Ironically, the complaints that some people are making on here, about having a bathroom where you make unpleasant noises and whiffs so close to where you sleep/live/congregate is probably the very reason why it was the norm for so long to have the privy at the bottom of your garden.

People back then would probably have been incredulous at the idea and the very thought of all us filthy mingers having multiple toilets indoors!!

My parents have an ensuite, proper sized bathroom, 4 piece suite (including bath and bidet), it's the size of my bathroom in my flat. It comes off a sort of dressing area, so they have a bit between the main sleeping area and the bathroom. It's a 1970s house though so everything is bigger, even the small bedrooms are proper sized.

The family bathroom is a bit bigger (minus the bidet, it has the airing cupboard instead).

I grew up with an outdoor loo, and now I live in a house where there are three bathrooms for its three inhabitants. I’m never going back. The spiders, quite apart from anything else.

Does your partner really shit in the middle of the night when you are asleep in bed? Does he have bowel problems?

My partner is a woman and no she doesn't. But I go to bed later than she does (I don't tend to have a late night poo either btw) and things like the noise of an electric toothbrush, the toilet flushing, the taps running, and the light when going in and out of the room can all disturb a light sleeper. I don't know why some mumsnetters are so obsessed with shit.

I'm a light sleeper, the main bathroom door and lock wake me up (despite being the furthest room away)
DH getting up and leaving the room would wake me anyway. Thankfully he generally doesn't get up in the middle of the night but he does wake up unreasonably early at weekends

MLM is a cynical rip off abusing lots of vulnerable people by making them buy shitty products at extortionate prices and then badger people to buy them endlessly. Or pretend they're millionaires through it to make you sell their tat also. It's a scam. Just buy stuff normally.

En suites can be smelly and embarrassing if you can hear the other person and it might wake you up. They're only good in rooms that are massive where they aren't just stud walls or cramped into a new build to try and upsell it.

I am astonished at the number of mumsnetters partners who have midnight shits.

Unless they have a stomach upset or bowel problems don't most people go during the day?

Lots of people have an early morning shit - maybe their partners are still in bed.

In our house the person needing to do this would use the house bathroom or the downstairs loo, but we are considerate of each other.

Lots of people also have bowel issues.

I’ve had IBS since my late teens. Unfortunately, sudden urgency is one of the symptoms. I can’t always predict when I might have a flare up. The result is often toilet visits at inconvenient times of day/night. We can’t all be fortunate enough to have a bowel schedule.

However, I don’t have an en-suite, so it’s usually a mad dash across the landing. An en-suite would make my life a LOT easier.

The en-suite thing is weird. I mean it totally depends on the house. If you have a large 4 or 5 bed house with ample storage and large rooms where the en-suite door isn’t directly facing the head of the bed there is no reason on earth anyone could object to a private bathroom.

if you have jammed a bathroom in off your bedroom and there isn’t enough space and the smells are too close to the bed and the house has no storage then sure, an en-suite may not be the best use of space. But that’s a ‘too small a home, not enough storage’ problem. Not an en-suite problem.

Wow, you are very unusual in knowing not just one but several people who have supplementing their income when over 90% of people actually lose money doing MLM. Maybe they aren't being entirely truthful?
As for ensuites, I like ours but we do have a no poo rule (involuntary upgrades not withstanding)

Possibly.
One did Pampered Chef and the other Virgin Vie - both for many years so assuming it worked for them. One went on to Younique so obviously not put off!