Thread 19 Starmer - A Coalition of the Willing

[DuncinToffee]

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I think its worth remembering Whately's comments on behalf of the Copnservative party.
The cuts don't go far enough.

Thats the mindset - they can never cut enough tax and they can never cut enough welfare and public services. (Exception being the triple lock because, you know, pensioners vote)

I'm happy to criticise reforms where they clearly less a reform than a cost cutting exercise - which is what i've seen this week.

But I'm bloody gratefully we are not watching the Conservatives in power because as they've said themselves, the cuts will never be enough.

The replies are brilliant on that!

Next thread title: Starmer: Disappointing, must do better.

The Bank of England held interest rates at 4.5% and warned against assumptions that they would be cut over its next few meetings as it grappled with deep uncertainty hanging over the British and world economies.

Any suggestions for a new thread title?

We could do with something uplifting

Oh sorry Pointy, I didn't see your post

No worries, it wasn't an uplifting suggestion in any case. I'm not feeling uplifty.

Such a good read thanks for posting Duncin a well needed giggle.
pickachew thank you for posting the info I was asking about earlier on the thread also Serendipity for the letter, I haven’t written yet I need to gather my thoughts a little more my Labour MP is disabled I have a lot of time for them but I’ve yet to hear what he is saying in response to the proposed benefit changes.

to say I’m shocked & so very disappointed in a Labour government is an understatement a party that created the welfare state & usually appeared to hold similar values/views to mine on many issues I’m finding really hard to comprehend surely they have received so much information from the various organisations/agencies that support people they could feasibly put together & implement proper targeted schemes/support which would really help some get back into some form of employment or at least improve prospects & outcomes rather than punching down & demonising unleashing such misery which has been proved over & over doesn’t work.
As for the despicable vitriol & spewing of such hatred on some of the threads the past few days it’s showing how far we have sunk into what feels like a cesspit of bile I’m another one who has hidden them, my PiP is a lifeline it’s helps give me some independence & which would not be possible without it.
Pandora really hope you have a lovely day enjoying the sun my heart goes out to you & each & everyone who is being affected by what Labour are planning 💐

my Labour MP is disabled I have a lot of time for them but I’ve yet to hear what he is saying in response to the proposed benefit changes.

I bet a pound to a penny they aren't losing out.

Meanwhile, I'm wondering if the changes to PIP see a massive uptick in amount paid out. I've already had 2 friends contact me, and reviewing their PIP awards, they now score more per description than when the award was issued (5 and 8 years ago).

Apply that to the whole PIP claimant base, and you may well reduce the number of claimants with the overall bill rising.

The point here that Welfare Reform shouldn't be "difficult for some" MH as well as physical disabilities can be extremely serious, instead we have a Health secretary saying "MH is being over diagnosed"

Meanwhile, the very wealthy are being left alone.

If 1m young people are not in work or training, why isn't the Govt offering training/job creation? Counselling/Therapy?

FFS Even Thatcher had work experience back in the early 80s for anyone unemployed for more than 6 months, there was also Skill Centre's, people could learn a trade.

Meanwhile, the very wealthy are being left alone.

Which is generally what money buys you.

One way of framing political discourse is to note the desire of the wealthy to remove themselves from the actions of the state. In every possible sphere of life.

You know, like it used to be.

That would not surprise me. My DS has 8 years to run on a 10 year award. He is already on the maximum, and he will only get worse. But he knows people with the same range of conditions who aren't on higher tier yet- and they will also only get worse.

Well, it shouldn't be like that... not under a Labour Govt... ISA's, Higher rate Council Tax banding, just 2 things Labour could be looking at... But no! its "lets clamp down on the poor/disadvantaged and the sick"

Or as my Mum would have said "throwing out the baby with the bath water"

But no! its "lets clamp down on the poor/disadvantaged and the sick"

Because they deserve it.

Also, remember that 30% of your fellow subjects are 100% behind this. That's one reason successive governments have made these decisions. When you can safely ignore 1 in 3 voters decisions are easy.

Give them a chance. Appreciate emotions are high, but we don’t know what they’ve got planned in the way of offering training etc for people affected.

I haven't yet written to my MPs office about this yet, but by happy coincidence, I have a meeting booked in tomorrow with them on another matter. I will also be giving my thoughts around this.

They are looking at ISAs I believe.

Before I go out, am looking forward to the taxes paid

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/5298316-thread-20-starmer-spring-statement

Surely the message should be training etc first???

How about dealing with that and other tax avoidance measures the wealthy can use, before causing a great deal of stress for the less well off?

How about making working pensioners pay NI and an admission that more than half of DWP expenditure is on pensions and related benefits?

And where was the "and we will be announcing..." for something like that? The try before you buy idea didn't seem to hint at anything substantive.

ISAs were intended to encourage investing.

Not all tax relief is evil.

Who said anything about being evil?

The wealthy could now have 100s of 1000s in ISAs, tax free, without a single penny being required to be invested in the UK, with the tax payer funding this.

Its very quick and easy, as a couple, to have a large amount of money invested - 40k per year - and not pay any tax on gains.

When they were introduced, the spilt was 3k cash 7k invested, back then, investing in the uk was common, far less so now.