Thread 19 Starmer - A Coalition of the Willing

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John Smith's words in 1993 and co-opted by James Melville on Twitter. Smith would have despised him.

Melville who claimed a butcher recognised him?

An uplifting story

Hollywood actor Michael Sheen has written off £1m-worth of people's debts, using £100,000 of his own money.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvg1ewdgk7no

Yep!

An old friend of mine, from our Labour activist days sent me the quote. We were together when we heard the news of John Smith's death. It was shocking. I always think of him as the best PM we never had, as do many others. Truly it is the day that really began the change in Britain.

I was only thinking exactly the same this morning.

Why didn't you attribute the quote to John Smith in your post? Very odd not to.

Quite a coincidence that you posted it in order to criticise Labour just a couple of hours after JM did the same on Twitter.
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Why didn't you attribute the quote to John Smith in your post? Very odd not to.

Quite a coincidence that you posted it in order to criticise Labour just a couple of hours after JM did the same on Twitter.
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hn_-OUa2tuk

Rachel Maddow on the start of the Battle of Britain and the air raids and the USA response. It's a 9 minute view. Worth a watch and very relevant today.

I'm feeling really sick with it all tonight. Watching the BBC News with Trump saying American is going to get rich again, closely followed by a report on the effect of losing the USAID on the Rohingya people was just sickening.

To make someone richer, you end up making someone else poorer. Trump and his cronies want to get richer and don't care how many millions die as a result of the poverty it plunges them into.

Not a playable word. It's a fix. 🙄

On a brighter note, anecdotal of course... i know a few Reform supporters, ex Lab as well as former Tories, all are horrified at Farage/Reform and the actions of the Americans, they are associating Farage and the Tories with Trump.

Talk about A Week is a short time in Politics.

Indeed I should have. I copied the quote from the message my friend sent me. I asked later where they copied it from, and you are right, they follow James melvile. Personally i have no idea who he is, nor am i on twitter.

For some reason you are desperate for me to be a reform voter. You would be wrong.

Also that "tribute" Starmer gave at PMQs yesterday? I lost my first husband in one if those conflicts and to use those injured and maimed by a Labour government, as political click bait and political posturing is disgusting.

I agree, Vance's comment that he refused to apologise for was unforgivable. Starmer, wisely, used the point at PMQ where tributes to soldiers are traditionally made to pay tribute to all the soldiers whose deaths had been disregarded by Vance's throwaway comment.

Also that "tribute" Starmer gave at PMQs yesterday? I lost my first husband in one if those conflicts and to use those injured and maimed by a Labour government, as political click bait and political posturing is disgusting.

As a person who's life has been very entwined with the military, this comment is so far off anything I would expect to hear under the circumstances that I don't believe you.

Same. I’m shocked. I had to read it twice. My bloke, who served for over 30 years, was as moved by the tribute as he was incensed by Vance’s insult.

A good general gathers his troops behind him.

Where on earth have I said you are a Reform voter? Sorry, but I have actually given zero thought to how you vote, let alone be desperate about it. I don't care.

As to Starmer's tribute, I am pretty sure or at least would hope he would have asked the permission of the families concerned as he used images of the dead soldiers. I am sincerely sorry it upset you and reminded you of your own sad loss, though.

I thought it was moving. Seeing those young faces brought it home how we need to avoid war as far as humanly possible.

Henry Morris - perfect as always.

Uncle Vancya (he’s pathetic, he’s bitter, he’s Russian)

The Papua New Guinea Courier's overseas correspondent on JD Vance's moustache
mrhenrymorris.substack.com/p/the-papua-new-guinea-couriers-overseas-71d?utm_campaign=post&showWelcomeOnShare=true

Every cloud and all that

Actually the images were on Newsnight. I don't think they were used in the House, were they? I didn't see PMQs this week, only the Newsnight clip.

There were no images used in PMQs, just the names read out

Todays agenda

Starmer is doing a defence visit today to emphasise the importance of defence to British jobs

Defence Minister John Healey is in Washington for talks with Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth.

EU leaders holding an emergency meeting in Brussels

So with Germany, the EU and (presumably) the UK amending their fiscal rules to "allow" more defence spending pronto, surely that will boost economies ? Is the idea that "the markets" will allow this tweak as it's better to have a small stake with some chance of return than a large stake that disappears when Putin takes over ?

Our mate Phil was ruminating that any push to swell defence must necessarily involve a massive push to skill and upskill our workforce for the challenges. And that isn't a bad thing, surely ?

Remember, the UK isn't a poor country by any stretch of the imagination. Just a rich country with very specific and limited priorities,