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Thread 18 Starmer: All sides of the House agree apart from the Trump bootlickers

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DuncinToffee · 17/02/2025 16:36

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DuncinToffee · 19/02/2025 10:28

Ben Wallace

Former UK Defence Secretary Ben Wallace today launched a ferocious attack on Trump’s lies about Ukraine and repetition of Kremlin propaganda.

"I think what President Trump is learning is that if you have no skin in the game you don’t get to decide the fate of Ukraine. I am sure they all enjoyed their four-hour talks (yesterday) but they probably shouldn’t have wasted their time.”

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Notonthestairs · 19/02/2025 11:03

DuncinToffee · 19/02/2025 09:08

I think the Lib Dems will take this as compliment

Kemi Badenoch acknowledges the existence of the Lib Dems

  • Considers them a “protest party for mainly people on the left”
  • "They are not on Twitter, but they are in local communities"
  • "They will destroy the whole country..."

She complained that L/Ds are nice, don't use Twitter and they go around fixing things in their communities. The bastards.

SerendipityJane · 19/02/2025 12:09

DuncinToffee · 19/02/2025 09:08

I think the Lib Dems will take this as compliment

Kemi Badenoch acknowledges the existence of the Lib Dems

  • Considers them a “protest party for mainly people on the left”
  • "They are not on Twitter, but they are in local communities"
  • "They will destroy the whole country..."

I think the Tories very much fear karma.

The next election will mark 14 - possibly 15 - years since they fucked the LibDems over. And now the "will never forgive the LibDems" demographic that hasn't grown up is being renewed with a "would never vote Tory" one that is skewing the outcome.

The natural home for a reluctant Tory->Labour voter would be Labour->LibDems if they become disillusioned with the current Labour government.

DuncinToffee · 19/02/2025 12:25

Johnson

https://bsky.app/profile/sundersays.bsky.social/post/3lijqq4zmts2s

Deeply, deeply abject

Thread 18 Starmer: All sides of the House agree apart from the Trump bootlickers
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itsgettingweird · 19/02/2025 12:30

Very much agree serendipity

I was a Lib Dem voter the coalition year.

Tory in 2019.

I've lived and very much learned 🤦🏼‍♀️

I will NEVER vote Tory again under its current guise and pretty sure even if they returned more one nation I'm not sure I'd trust them for at least 3 terms (so over a decade)

My natural move if I don't like the current Labour outcomes will be Lib Dems.

I'm not particularly left leaning - but I'm definitely not far right 😂

Notonthestairs · 19/02/2025 12:34

Not intended to be accurate.

So a deliberate lie.

Lying for the benefit of others. That seems likely.

Keep talking Johnson - all you are doing is reminding me of your career in journalism and politics. Bendy bananas. Brexit benefits. Proroguing. Paterson. Partygate. Pincher.

Prick.

PandoraSox · 19/02/2025 12:35

DuncinToffee · 19/02/2025 12:25

It is like one of those three bird roasts. Johnson crawls up Trump's arse as Trump crawls up Putin's.

Putin must be having a really fun week.

itsgettingweird · 19/02/2025 12:36

It is like one of those three bird roasts

😂

BIossomtoes · 19/02/2025 12:38

Brilliant analogy @PandoraSox. You should be very proud of that one. 😂

dontcallmelen · 19/02/2025 12:42

BIossomtoes · 19/02/2025 12:38

Brilliant analogy @PandoraSox. You should be very proud of that one. 😂

Inspired 😂
how very dare the Lib Dems be reasonable & nice the utter total bastards.

Notonthestairs · 19/02/2025 12:44

Excellent summing up.

SerendipityJane · 19/02/2025 13:40

itsgettingweird · 19/02/2025 12:30

Very much agree serendipity

I was a Lib Dem voter the coalition year.

Tory in 2019.

I've lived and very much learned 🤦🏼‍♀️

I will NEVER vote Tory again under its current guise and pretty sure even if they returned more one nation I'm not sure I'd trust them for at least 3 terms (so over a decade)

My natural move if I don't like the current Labour outcomes will be Lib Dems.

I'm not particularly left leaning - but I'm definitely not far right 😂

The whole "university fees" spat was so naïve and dim.

The LDs had to carefully marshal what little advantage they has as the minor party in the coalition. A coalition they had entered into under the banner of "best for Britain" to avoid the instability that minority governments that 2017-2019 showed is possible.

With that they selected the core principle - which was electoral reform. And even that was almost a price too much for the Tories (who, if memory served had to be whipped to support it).

Having extracted that concession, anything more - e.g. fees - was too far.

It's worth bearing in mind the coalition was a formal public contract. Again the LDs insisted on that in order to make sure there was no "misunderstanding" over the parliament. And that contract did not allow the LDs to refuse to back the Tories on key measures.

I get that LD voters may have been disappointed. However rather than accepting there had to be some give somewhere, the ones that flounced off and gave us David Cameron in 2015 have a fuck of a lot to answer for. Maybe they've grown up a bit ?

(For the last 28 years, I have only voted Labour. That's because my constituency is quite a safe Labour seat. However I will quite happily vote LDs in May.)

PickAChew · 19/02/2025 14:05

Notonthestairs · 19/02/2025 11:03

She complained that L/Ds are nice, don't use Twitter and they go around fixing things in their communities. The bastards.

I don't know. You should see the cycle lanes they've made in our local area. Despicable.

itsgettingweird · 19/02/2025 14:08

Serendipity I never blamed the LD for uni fees. I entirely agree with you.

I meant live and learn over my Tory vote.

I voted Labour in 2015 so not responsible for Cameron!!!!

Sadly I'm stuck in a Tory stronghold constituency with Braverman for an MP.

PickAChew · 19/02/2025 14:11

PandoraSox · 19/02/2025 12:35

It is like one of those three bird roasts. Johnson crawls up Trump's arse as Trump crawls up Putin's.

Putin must be having a really fun week.

🤮

Enough to turn me vegan.

cardibach · 19/02/2025 14:48

SerendipityJane · 19/02/2025 13:40

The whole "university fees" spat was so naïve and dim.

The LDs had to carefully marshal what little advantage they has as the minor party in the coalition. A coalition they had entered into under the banner of "best for Britain" to avoid the instability that minority governments that 2017-2019 showed is possible.

With that they selected the core principle - which was electoral reform. And even that was almost a price too much for the Tories (who, if memory served had to be whipped to support it).

Having extracted that concession, anything more - e.g. fees - was too far.

It's worth bearing in mind the coalition was a formal public contract. Again the LDs insisted on that in order to make sure there was no "misunderstanding" over the parliament. And that contract did not allow the LDs to refuse to back the Tories on key measures.

I get that LD voters may have been disappointed. However rather than accepting there had to be some give somewhere, the ones that flounced off and gave us David Cameron in 2015 have a fuck of a lot to answer for. Maybe they've grown up a bit ?

(For the last 28 years, I have only voted Labour. That's because my constituency is quite a safe Labour seat. However I will quite happily vote LDs in May.)

I wouldn’t. And I object to the terminology ‘grow up’. I lent my vote to the LDs to avoid a Tory government and they handed me…a Tory government. They could have done confidence and supply. The terms were silly - the Tories needed them to agree, they had the upper hand.
And more than that, look at current LD voting. It’s more Tory than anything else. I learned they are far too right of centre for me to vote for them.

DuncinToffee · 19/02/2025 14:50

For anyone interested in Simon Hart's memoirs

https://bsky.app/profile/localnotail.bsky.social/post/3lijorogw2s2j

There are many revealing gems in Simon Hart's memoirs of being a Tory Chief Whip, but this one is my favourite: - Andrew "utter knob" Bridgen gets the boot.

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Notonthestairs · 19/02/2025 15:16

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/egos-fights-sex-scandals-confessions-chief-whip-0xjwb6kgt

I was just reading the same Duncin
The paragraphs on Johnson (June) and Braverman (November) are unsurprising.

BIossomtoes · 19/02/2025 16:06

Wow. That’s like reading fiction. Thanks for the link @Notonthestairs.

DuncinToffee · 19/02/2025 16:08

Anyone seen the new brexit thread? Not sure what is going on but I have my ai 🍿ready

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MaybeNotBob · 19/02/2025 16:34

Someone <cough cough> decided to use AI against them...

PandoraSox · 19/02/2025 16:42

Oh god, I hate it when people use AI. It is so tedious. Sorry Bob.

pointythings · 19/02/2025 16:43

DuncinToffee · 19/02/2025 16:08

Anyone seen the new brexit thread? Not sure what is going on but I have my ai 🍿ready

I am not going to engage with a thread started by AI.

Notonthestairs · 19/02/2025 16:51

I suspect its an attempt to kill the threads off so they don't pop up at inconvenient moments.

As tedious as Brexit is it is also the most significant damaging decision this country has made in a long time - it deserves much more coverage.
As dull and frustrating as I know that sounds.

Every fucker that peddled the Brexit bollocks should be asked about it at every opportunity again and again and again. Their names should be synonymous with the failure they brought on this country. Citizens of Nowhere.

Notonthestairs · 19/02/2025 17:02

BIossomtoes · 19/02/2025 16:06

Wow. That’s like reading fiction. Thanks for the link @Notonthestairs.

Its absolutely ridiculous reading isnt it? He was basically mopping up after the sort of behaviour that would - should - ruin careers. Year 9s given credit cards, drivers, booze and access to highly confidential information.
(Most Year 9s would have more sense)
You couldnt fictionalise it without it resembling a cross between White Lotus, St Trinians and porn.
No wonder Williamson had a black book.

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