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Thread 18 Starmer: All sides of the House agree apart from the Trump bootlickers

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DuncinToffee · 17/02/2025 16:36

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PickAChew · 18/02/2025 15:01

Might be a her.

We have a very vocal one living nearby. Very nice to listen to after a grotty day.

PandoraSox · 18/02/2025 15:09

Very well fed!

dontcallmelen · 18/02/2025 15:41

PandoraSox · 18/02/2025 14:35

I wish I hadn't.

Same here very sobering reading.

BIossomtoes · 18/02/2025 15:48

PandoraSox · 18/02/2025 14:35

I wish I hadn't.

Me too. This is the most dangerous the world has felt in my adult life.

DuncinToffee · 18/02/2025 15:51

Oh goody, Farage is calling for the reindustrialisation of Britain and higher birthrates Confused

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PandoraSox · 18/02/2025 16:01

BIossomtoes · 18/02/2025 15:48

Me too. This is the most dangerous the world has felt in my adult life.

Absolutely.

DuncinToffee · 18/02/2025 16:19

A caller on LBC thinks Russia should invade Britain....

https://bsky.app/profile/tensegrityfan.bsky.social/post/3ligwcfn3is2d

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DuncinToffee · 18/02/2025 16:24

https://news.sky.com/story/man-jailed-for-sending-utterly-deplorable-email-to-jess-phillips-13311990

A 38-year-old man has been jailed for sending an "utterly deplorable" email to safeguarding minister Jess Phillips.

Bennett sent the email to Ms Phillips on 2 January - one day after Elon Musk called the MP a "rape genocide apologist" and said she "deserves to be in prison" for denying requests for a public inquiry into child sexual exploitation in Oldham.

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PickAChew · 18/02/2025 16:35

DuncinToffee · 18/02/2025 15:51

Oh goody, Farage is calling for the reindustrialisation of Britain and higher birthrates Confused

Not seeing his face everywhere could possibly help with the latter. 🤔

What exactly is he proposing we make?

BIossomtoes · 18/02/2025 16:36

PickAChew · 18/02/2025 16:35

Not seeing his face everywhere could possibly help with the latter. 🤔

What exactly is he proposing we make?

And how? With a skills shortage and no infrastructure.

PickAChew · 18/02/2025 16:37

BIossomtoes · 18/02/2025 15:48

Me too. This is the most dangerous the world has felt in my adult life.

Almost enough to pine for the stability of the cold war. At least we knew where the lines were drawn.

DuncinToffee · 18/02/2025 16:40

PickAChew · 18/02/2025 16:35

Not seeing his face everywhere could possibly help with the latter. 🤔

What exactly is he proposing we make?

Addressing a global gathering of rightwing activists in London, the Reform leader said the UK should rebuild its heavy industry, including through the domestic production of steel, oil and gas.

Article here
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/feb/18/nigel-farage-calls-for-reindustrialisation-of-britain-and-higher-birthrates

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Notonthestairs · 18/02/2025 17:05

"Addressing a global gathering of rightwing activists in London, the Reform leader said the UK should rebuild its heavy industry, including through the domestic production of steel, oil and gas."

Which is exactly what he would say in front of a room full of representatives - donors - from fossil fuel companies.

Bagpussnotbothered · 18/02/2025 17:32

Stepping back a bit, whilst this is not exactly comforting, I think a lot of what is driving China and Russia's expansion plans is their demographic cliff-edge.

Russia has a lower fertility rate (1.42) than the UK, alongside a disastrous war and 1.3 million people leaving Russia to avoid conscription (BBC stats from 2023). By the 2040's, approximately a third of all Russians will be pensioners. It's not surprising that Russia are stealing Ukrainian children and one of the reasons for the war was to artificially boost the workforce through annexation.

China's got the same problem - it might even be worse as it's widely acknowledged that the Chinese authorities are massaging the birthrate figures. The official TFR is 1.18 and 21% of their population are already pensioners. By 2040, they will be supporting 400 million elderly people - almost the same as the entire EU.

If Xi or Putin want more territory, they need to do it now. They are not going to have the money or manpower in a decade's time. Even if they refuse to pay pensions and order all the young people to the front, they will not have the same social logistics to support a war effort.

The good news is that if Europe can get its act together, it will be in a strong place. Few people migrate to Russia or China compared to Europe, and we've got the chance to put strong supply chains in place. It would not surprise me if Ukraine emerged as a weapons manufacturing hub, in the same way Israel and South Korea have. I am pissed off that it's taken an extra three years for European leaders to wake up and realise they need to fund defence away from the USA. It's about time they realised that American interests do not align with theirs and are unlikely to do so for the next decade.

The USA might be annoyed about underwriting NATO, but it's also had a lot of political soft power over Europe as a result. That's going to shrink if they get their wish and Europe does increase defence spending.

InMySpareTime · 18/02/2025 17:44

DuncinToffee · 18/02/2025 15:51

Oh goody, Farage is calling for the reindustrialisation of Britain and higher birthrates Confused

But I thought <checks notes> the country was full. Is there room now?

SerendipityJane · 18/02/2025 17:51

The USA might be annoyed about underwriting NATO, but it's also had a lot of political soft power over Europe as a result. That's going to shrink if they get their wish and Europe does increase defence spending.

Sadly, the definitive book "The Decline and Fall of the British Empire" has yet to be written. However, if it existed, I suspect it might have some broad hints as to where the US will end up (regardless of where it thinks it is going ...).

As with Gibbons work, where many complex interactions were distilled into "moral decline" (which was of no use to many nor beast) the same is true of the British Empire.

BIossomtoes · 18/02/2025 17:51

InMySpareTime · 18/02/2025 17:44

But I thought <checks notes> the country was full. Is there room now?

Do keep up - apparently millionaires are leaving in droves.

cardibach · 18/02/2025 17:51

@Bagpussnotbothered Trump seems intent on torching the US’s soft power. Closing USAID has done that in lots of the world.

BIossomtoes · 18/02/2025 17:52

Soft power is for cissies.

cakeorwine · 18/02/2025 18:32

DuncinToffee · 18/02/2025 16:40

Addressing a global gathering of rightwing activists in London, the Reform leader said the UK should rebuild its heavy industry, including through the domestic production of steel, oil and gas.

Article here
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/feb/18/nigel-farage-calls-for-reindustrialisation-of-britain-and-higher-birthrates

Higher birth rates?

So I would love to see his policies for that.
And his attitude towards childcare, workers rights. education etc

prettybird · 18/02/2025 19:34

Belatedly signing in with my cat tax. Horrified at what is going on. SIL was over earlier and we were agreeing (sadly Sad) that it's looking more and more like a World War is on the horizon - and that we feared for our sons (she has a 30 year old and a 17 year old and my ds is 24) Sad

Trump is giving Putin everything he wanted Angry: in particular, legitimacy for Putin's invasion of Ukraine on the flimsy excuse that Ukraine was a puppet of the US and that Zelenskyy's government was illegitimate Angry

Thread 18 Starmer: All sides of the House agree apart from the Trump bootlickers
cardibach · 18/02/2025 20:19

I want to ❤️ your lovely cats, @prettybird , but I can’t like the post. It’s so scary. Having survived the Cold War, protect and survive etc, I can honestly say I’ve never felt less safe.

BIossomtoes · 18/02/2025 20:19

I feel better just looking at your gorgeous cats @prettybird.

Eta I feel exactly the same @cardibach.

itsgettingweird · 18/02/2025 20:26

I agree cardi. I said the other day before Trumps latest move I felt we were on the cusp of something but wasn't sure what - but felt uneasy.

My ds is 20. He won't be called to fight but I'm sure his skills would be utilised somehow in a war Sad

BIossomtoes · 18/02/2025 20:30

We’re a military family with two serving members. Things could get very bad for us.

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