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Please can you help me get a better routine going? Desperate!

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Greywarden · 07/02/2025 10:59

I'd love some help, Mumsnet!

We've got a 17-month-old DC and a dog. DH and I both work full time, generally 9-5 but with jobs that sometimes require extra evening hours just to keep up with the workload. Both jobs are in mental health and involve lots of high-risk and emotionally distressing things, so there is a lot of stress (I appreciate that loads of people's jobs are stressful in different ways though and this hardly makes us unique!)

I'm also studying for a work-based qualification so sometimes have quite a lot of extra uni things to do outside of work time. DC is in nursery 8.30-5.30. The only exception is one afternoon a week when I finish work a few hours early to get some 1:1 time with her; I make up for this with extra work hours in the evening that day.

DH and I are both exhausted and not functioning very well. The house is perpetually in chaos and we are always behind with housework - and this is by both of our relatively low standards! Emotionally we are under strain - starting to get irritated and snappy with one another when our relationship has never been like this before (even during a difficult newborn period).

I know this is always going to be a challenging time, but I see other couples with multiple children who seem to be much more 'together' and indeed single parents doing an incredible job in much more challenging circumstances than ours, so really feel I don't have an excuse. I constantly feel like I'm failing and am feeling stressed and ashamed of my home. And yes, I'm prepared to accept that I am probably being lazy and just need to get a grip!

I would be so grateful for any help with improving our weekday routine. When I write it out it looks so stupid, and I can think of lots of ideas on paper for making it better, but we seem really stuck and are finding it hard to change. What works for other people? How can I get out of the rut? The biggest issues for me are the lack of emotional and physical intimacy with DH; not enough house stuff getting done (by which I mean cleaning, tidying, good quality cooking, laundry etc); the complete lack of exercise in my days unless I'm the one walking the dog; the fact that I often go all week without even washing my hair. When DC was small, I used to get up with her at 6 and do an hour's dogwalk with her in her pram every morning, but something about the combination of uninviting darkness and exhaustion really makes me struggle to motivate myself to do that anymore.

Typical weekday:
5.30-6am - one of us, usually me, wakes up. Usually this is a little before DC wakes and provides a tiny bit of time for house jobs. DC wakes any time between 5.30am and 6.30am though so sometimes she beats me to it. I sort breakfast and get DC ready for nursery. DH joins me to help at some point and make it easier for me to get myself ready for work.

8.15ish - leave for work; one of us drops DC off at nursery depending on our schedules that day.

Then work. It isn't far away but we both sometimes have to travel about. One of us gets back at lunch to walk the dog for half an hour, again depending on schedules.

5.30pm - one of us picks DC up from nursery; the other aims to get back to walk the dog before DC gets home. Sometimes one of us is out later though due to work travel and the other parent has to do all the rest themselves. Usually it's me still out - sometimes I don't get back until 6.

6pm-8pm - time with DC - playing; reading; bath and bedtime routine. It takes up to half an hour to settle her at the moment. During this time we also sort dinner - either one of us cooking or heating up something batch-cooked or sometimes resorting to crappy snacking. We don't talk to each other much. My DH openly says he is too tired to get into conversation at this time and needs head space.

8pm onwards - sometimes I have to work. Sometimes DH does a bit of house stuff whilst I'm working; sometimes he just sort of crashes out in exhaustion on his tablet.
If neither of us have to work, we might do a little bit of house stuff and then crash out together - either in front of the TV or with our books. We don't tend to have much energy to interact.

Some time between 9pm and midnight we are asleep.

DC tends to wake a couple of times in the night; sometimes I end up giving up and going into her room to sleep with her as it settles her faster.

Rinse and repeat.

Weekends: take DC to toddler classes; try to see family and help out relatives who need it; occasionally manage to see a friend; try to tackle the house with varying degrees of success; occasionally get an evening off when a relative babysits, but this is about once every couple of months. I would say we are barely keeping our heads above water but actually it feels more like we are drowning in the water given how bad our house looks right now.

As a sidenote: our house is pretty small and is crammed with too much stuff with no space for it to have a 'place'; lots of things are broken or in need of decorating; we don't have a tumble dryer but the house is also quite damp so drying clothes takes AGES and means putting up clothes horses that make it almost impossible to move around the cramped space; no dishwasher; we can't really even have a bath or shower in the evenings as the bathroom is next to DC's bedroom and she wakes up easily. I realise that these are first world problems but thought it might be useful context. We could afford a cleaner but physically cannot do it as the house is always too messy to expect anyone to clean around.

Arghhh!

Any help out there?

OP posts:
icebubbles · 07/02/2025 12:29

That's a late bedtime for that age, can you try to get her down earlier? It might be take a while to get her to sleep as she's overtired so 7/730 could make life easier.

Massive declutter - agree with PP to take a day off work and blitz it

Cleaner

Meal planning and prep. We've used Gousto for years and I pre-cook all the elements that can be done in advance on a Sunday so it's just reheating and chucking rice on or whatever during the week.

It's tough, working full time with littles is a slog x

BeyondMyWits · 07/02/2025 12:30

Outsource... dog walker, cleaner, gardner, online shopping, whatever it takes to get your precious time back. Dogwalking is a big time drain.

We got a "man with a van" to come clear our garage. Then emptied the crap out of the house into the garage, and anything that didn't make it back into the house in 6 months, went when we got him to come again.

And change your patterns - hard to do, I had to. Sounds like common sense but, storage is for stuff you want/need/like, it helps to keep it nice - not to just pile stuff into whilst the good stuff sits in heaps on chairs etc.
Biggest thing for us as a family, was "don't put it down, put it away or deal with it". No piles of crap. No cups by the sink etc.

moose62 · 07/02/2025 12:32

Get a dog walker for instead of a cleaner. Use the time you are at home at lunch time to put a wash on, hoover or any other domestic tasks that need doing. Get the house decluttered, then it won't seem as daunting. leave clothes and work stuff out the night before so that there is no faffing in the morning.
I get up at 5.15 every day, walk the dog for a quick 20 mins, sort out clothing, uniforms, book bags etc...and then leave for work at 6.45am. DH makes sure DCs have everything - very self sufficient now - and leave at 8am.
We have a dog walker 5 days a week at lunch time for an hour. Expensive - yes - but if you have a dog it is not fair to leave them alone all day. This way she is walked, tired out and has a social life with other dogs.

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sashh · 07/02/2025 12:33

Book a deep clean, it won't be cheap but will give you breathing space.

Simplify everything you can, eg when I was teaching I had four pairs of black linen trousers and 5 or 6 blouses, this was my 'uniform'. As long as it was clean I could leave other things.

Meal plan and stick to it.

Split weekends, one has the baby and the other tackles the house on Saturday and do something nice on Sunday.

Bristolinfeb · 07/02/2025 12:38

You’re doing too much and have too much stuff. You’re going to burn out.

Book a couple of days annual leave together, hire a skip or one of those dump bags and fill it.

Get a cleaner.

Can you defer the training? Or at least drop the afternoon with DD.

Have one day at the weekend which you split so you both get 1:1 time with your child and some time to go for a swim or whatever.

Wash your hair on an evening when DH is going bedtime.

Have a date night a week. Can just be in the house but no phones or TV.

Nannyfannybanny · 07/02/2025 13:39

I forgot to add, I had 4 DKs. Haha, you say you're disorganised! This isn't me. I cannot live with mess or chaos. I'm not neurotically house proud...I have 2 dogs,used to be 3. I enjoyed walking them in the morning,that was my chill out,Dr stress after a hectic ward night..I had very long thick hair then, but shower/hair wash/conditioner and sometimes hairdryer....15 minutes. I was forced back to work unexpectedly when my youngest was 3 months old, I carried on breast feeding, expressed milk and frozen for my night shift...no pumps in those days,it was manual..my mantra is "a place for everything and everything in its place". My DD made friends with another at school and I ended up looking after the 4 siblings, one of the boys was awful. I also looked after my grand son born a year after my DD. I also had to study of course. Did I get tired!! looking back I don't know how I did it. I was 41, when I had my DD. So already twice the age of my colleagues, mostly their mothers age. I never suffered with back problems and I trained in the days of Nightingale Wards,beds didn't move,we physically lifted the patients in and out.

Greywarden · 07/02/2025 14:33

I am so grateful for the amazing advice I've had on here in the last couple of hours. Lots of great ideas that I feel are actually realistic to take forwards. Thank you everyone.

I think the biggest things I'm taking away are:

  • using the morning better - there's a lot of 'drift' and chaos in my mornings but I could achieve so much more if I approached them differently. In particular, I could get so much more done if I were a bit more purposeful - prepping veg for the dinner later; bits of cleaning; getting a laundry load on. If I got my clothes sorted the night before that would make my life so much easier.
  • doing more bits and pieces whenever there's a spare moment - I tend to want to have a good block of time to get a whole task done but actually even 5-10 minutes can be really productive.
  • that said, also having a few shared days off for a really intensive clear-out - it's going to be hard because both DH and I find it hard to let things go. Despite what some have said about cleaners working flexibility, I think I would want a certain amount of clearing and organising to happen before I let someone come into my house. (I can see there's a risk of that becoming a chicken and egg situation where the cycle never gets broken though! Lovely idea about booking a cleaner to create time pressure for getting organising done.)
  • I loved the idea about after DC has gone to bed, me and DH rushing around to do as much as we can before doing something nice together at a set time - I think that would really work for me as I am a simple creature, easily motivated by pressure and the promise of imminent reward!
  • A washer-dryer could be the answer for us - I used to have one and found it decent.
  • A date night with DH where we aren't on our phones or watching TV would be amazing, I think. Our favourite nights together used to be listening to music together for instance. We don't have time to just 'be' together. Maybe I'm a bit worried that DH has gone off me to the point where he doesn't want us to be together like that anymore? He does seem to find me a lot less interesting than he used to, but I can't know yet whether that's a really worrying change or a temporary one borne out of stress and tiredness.

For those with slightly older DCs, you've helped me to think about what I want life to look like and feel like for my DD when she's older. That gives me a clear goal to work towards. I want her to have a nice home and to see her parents with a life that isn't all about survival mode. I think DH and I have been quite consistently good at being loving with our DD and giving her lots of attention whilst she's with us, but I realise being a good parent is creating a good structure of family life and some semblance of good organisation around her!

OP posts:
lilytuckerpritchet · 07/02/2025 14:44

Firstly it sounds like you are doing amazing!!

First thing I would do is ask a relative to have dc overnight. Spend Saturday day together deep cleaning the house and doing tip runs. So then you are starting from a clean palette. Get a decent nights sleep then do something fun together Sunday day.

I don't work full time anymore but when I did I-

Emptied dishwasher before breakfast then filled it as needed throughout day. Put It on last thing at night

Took clothes out washing machine before breakfast and hung out to dry.

Regular Household jobs break down to-

Clean bathrooms
Dust upstairs
Dust downstairs
Hoover
Empty bins

I do one a day it takes max 30min . You could alternate with your dh and either one of you does it before or after work while the other looks after dc.

In an evening take dry clothes off airer/line radiators and put away immediately. Put a new wash on.

Switch dishwasher on.

Put things away after use, have good storage options so rooms look tidy.

At a weekend aim to do one or two big cleaning jobs a month such as windows/oven/sorting cupboards. 1 person does it the other has dc. Also batch cook at a weekend to make week days easier.

With regards to spending time together you both have to make effort. We watch a film together Saturday nights. And will often do a crossword together or meditation on a mid week night. But we also have a couple nights where we stare at our phones/tv.

hopeishere · 07/02/2025 15:10

For tidying use a timer. I follow someone on instagram who does a "15 minute shakedown" approach. It works. In my kitchen I use a right to left method going from beside the door around to the fridge clear / clean.

Onelifeonly22 · 07/02/2025 15:21

Agree with cleaner and dehumidifier. The latter has been a GAME CHANGER for us with laundry.

AlloftheTime · 07/02/2025 16:05

@Greywarden
no advice to add to all the good tips but it was good to see your update when you sound more hopeful. You are doing great but obviously some changes might ease your load. Well done for looking for help and ideas and I hope you get some downtime this weekend 💐

PermanentTemporary · 07/02/2025 16:17

Just to say that I had my mum cleaning my house once a week for the first year. If other people seem to be doing better, it may be that they have some form of help you don't. So don't be afraid to get more!

Also, look for your child's strengths. So, a pp above referred to 'waking the children' after having been up for some time. That wasn't ds; I only had to flicker my eyelashes and he was awake with me. BUT he was always in a good mood on waking, and was essentially happy if he was moving. So he could be set to emptying cupboards or playing with Duplo around me or whatever while I did stuff in the kitchen. I often did prep the evening meal early because if I had to be awake it made sense to do it then.

I think also don't be afraid to talk to your manager. I'm also a clinician though not in mental health thank goodness. Look together for ways to stick to your hours more often.

PermanentTemporary · 07/02/2025 16:19

Ooh cross post with your update. Hope things can look more positive soon.

mum10103 · 07/02/2025 16:22

Single mum of 4 albeit I work 4 days a week not 5! Try and group as much as you can together.

Kids at club - I run with the dog while I wait.

Kids having a bath - I clean the bathroom etc.

Get a cleaner - I'm a cleaner in Surrey and I generally organise and tidy as well as clean, basically whatever is needed so they don't need to.

Washing - take to the laundrette in one go while you walk the dog or go for a run/ morning Saturday coffee with dd. Or outsource. Or tumble drier in outside shed if you have a garden.

Organise mornings better. Maybe prep non messy breakfasts like muffins or overnight oats etc so you don't have to cook first thing.

Find half an hour/1 hour a day and that's all it will take to keep on top of everything.

I

Thisismeme · 07/02/2025 16:24

I’m not sure what to advise as your week is so full on. All I would say is you should both get up at 5.30 and crack on.
Batch cooking will help and maybe take it in turns to take your daughter out for a few hours on the weekend. The parent left at home can speed clean.
failing that get a cleaner

JimHalpertsWife · 07/02/2025 16:27

Weekly cleaner and weekly Hello Fresh delivery (5 days, 2 portions). Is dd eating her evening meal at Nursery? If not, get her to.

I'd suggest stopping all evening working completely.

Then, on Saturday morning, dh wakes early and does 8am-10am of solid catch up work while you and dd relax. Then either hand her over and you do 10am-12noon solid catch up work or you do the 8am-10am Sunday slot.

One of you then do the Toddler class while the other does the weeks laundry.

Helping / visiting family needs to be less frequent, or reserved for a specific slot (eg 2-5pm Sundays).

Block out time for yourselves and dd to just relax.

Thisismeme · 07/02/2025 16:27

Greywarden · 07/02/2025 14:33

I am so grateful for the amazing advice I've had on here in the last couple of hours. Lots of great ideas that I feel are actually realistic to take forwards. Thank you everyone.

I think the biggest things I'm taking away are:

  • using the morning better - there's a lot of 'drift' and chaos in my mornings but I could achieve so much more if I approached them differently. In particular, I could get so much more done if I were a bit more purposeful - prepping veg for the dinner later; bits of cleaning; getting a laundry load on. If I got my clothes sorted the night before that would make my life so much easier.
  • doing more bits and pieces whenever there's a spare moment - I tend to want to have a good block of time to get a whole task done but actually even 5-10 minutes can be really productive.
  • that said, also having a few shared days off for a really intensive clear-out - it's going to be hard because both DH and I find it hard to let things go. Despite what some have said about cleaners working flexibility, I think I would want a certain amount of clearing and organising to happen before I let someone come into my house. (I can see there's a risk of that becoming a chicken and egg situation where the cycle never gets broken though! Lovely idea about booking a cleaner to create time pressure for getting organising done.)
  • I loved the idea about after DC has gone to bed, me and DH rushing around to do as much as we can before doing something nice together at a set time - I think that would really work for me as I am a simple creature, easily motivated by pressure and the promise of imminent reward!
  • A washer-dryer could be the answer for us - I used to have one and found it decent.
  • A date night with DH where we aren't on our phones or watching TV would be amazing, I think. Our favourite nights together used to be listening to music together for instance. We don't have time to just 'be' together. Maybe I'm a bit worried that DH has gone off me to the point where he doesn't want us to be together like that anymore? He does seem to find me a lot less interesting than he used to, but I can't know yet whether that's a really worrying change or a temporary one borne out of stress and tiredness.

For those with slightly older DCs, you've helped me to think about what I want life to look like and feel like for my DD when she's older. That gives me a clear goal to work towards. I want her to have a nice home and to see her parents with a life that isn't all about survival mode. I think DH and I have been quite consistently good at being loving with our DD and giving her lots of attention whilst she's with us, but I realise being a good parent is creating a good structure of family life and some semblance of good organisation around her!

I do agree about drift time. I challenge myself to empty the dishwasher whilst the kettle boils and try to fit in all the small jobs. Clean the toilet before you get in the shower and spray the shower when you’re ready to get out (it’s not a full bathroom clean but it helps)
Don’t put things down put them away and have a 15 minute tidy together before bed. one of you do the kitchen, wipe sides and sweep floor. The other tidy the lounge and if there’s time run a duster over things.
Consider a cordless hoover - it’s great for quick cleans

JustAskingThisQ · 07/02/2025 16:27

If your kid is in nursery all week, why are you also doing toddler classes on the weekend? I'd be staying at home and resting or cleaning or seeing family and friends.

JimHalpertsWife · 07/02/2025 16:28

JustAskingThisQ · 07/02/2025 16:27

If your kid is in nursery all week, why are you also doing toddler classes on the weekend? I'd be staying at home and resting or cleaning or seeing family and friends.

This too! They really don't need to do classes.

WhoWhereWhatWhy · 07/02/2025 16:29

You’ve had some really good advice.

I would add - maybe you and your DH could take some time off work so that you get more on top of things, keeping your DD in nursery for that time. Eg, if you both take five days off, but you take Monday to Friday, and he takes the Wednesday to the following Tuesday. You get a couple of days to make a start and prioritise what you want, then you have three days together to make serious inroads and do the things you need two people to input on, and then he has Monday and Tuesday to finish off and prioritise what he wants.

You could accomplish loads, and make life easier going forward.

Week to week, I’d advocate going to bed earlier. Having even one night a week where each of you are properly rested will make a big difference. Go to bed when DD goes to bed. Leave the person downstairs to do what needs to be done, knowing that they know that their time for a proper rest will be the following night or whatever.

And each of you prioritise having a nap at the weekend.

JustAskingThisQ · 07/02/2025 16:31

I think sometimes people get caught up on these things because it becomes the things that Good Mummys do. When really having a safe, clean, happy home with well rested parents will always be better for a child than getting beaten up and extra viruses from some brats at toddler classes.

WhoWhereWhatWhy · 07/02/2025 16:31

Can you use bath time for something else? Your DD sounds able to be in the bath unaided, as long as someone is in the bathroom with her. You could clean the loo and sink and mirror, or (nicer) paint your nails or do a facemask or whatever it is that you feel you’re not making time for.

CrystalSingerFan · 07/02/2025 16:32

SnowSnow · 07/02/2025 11:30

I don’t really have any advice as such but a dehumidifier would make a vast difference to the time to dry the washing and the damp.

This! I've recently bought a small, Meaco for my one bed house. I can't believe the difference it makes to drying the laundry. Also I can't believe how often I have to empty the water container!

Bignanna · 07/02/2025 16:44

I’m full of admiration for these organised mums- I couldn’t do it. However looking back, I must have been a bit organised, training when the children were 12 and 14, of course they were able to do a lot for themselves, but it was still hectic, working in the day and finding time to study, both of us working different shifts, ships that pass in the night! Somehow we got fed, house was clean enough though probably wouldn’t have stood close inspection! Had clean clothes, attending school evenings, fitting in doctor and dentist appointments,very little leisure time though. Had to get on with it, so we did. No cleaner! Now, post menopause, and with creaking joints the thought of it all makes me tired!

PippaAB · 07/02/2025 16:47

If you are cooking, cook double what you need and have the other half the next day (you may need to put away the spare half or people can overeat and there are no leftovers then, or maybe that is just in my house).

If you cook on Sunday, cook enough for Mon and Tues. You can change it up a little e.g.roast beef for Sun and Mon and then make cottage pie with chopped up leftover roast beef and mash for Tues.

It's just bliss to have a home cooked meal and only 3 plates to clean up.