Lucy Letby press conference

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There is a press conference going on now trying to get Lucy Letby's conviction overturned. From what I read the guilty verdict was sound. All those ill babies dying when she was alone with them. Just a coincidence? Already been refused an appeal.

Oh, here we go, the usual suspects have arrived. Nothing to see here, let’s just look the other way while a young girl is stitched up to save a failing hospital - locked up for life no less, with the key thrown away.

One wonders about the agenda of some of these contributors.

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@blossomtoes

Do you think they read the Chester Standard in Japan and Brazil and New Zealand?

You aren't making sense here.

Absolutely this!

And even if they were just looking to boost their own (already superlative) reputations, hitching your wagon to a woman considered the worst baby killer of all time is blatantly not the way to do it.

Whatever you think of the points they have made, you can’t deny they must absolutely believe she didn’t do it to put themselves out there like this.

Didn’t the Wests have bodies buried in the cellar? Slightly more than circumstantial.

Not to mention the suitcase of evidence, including the audio tape, of Lesley Ann Downey’s murder.

Their intervention at this point was because they were asked by a colleague whose work was MISinterpreted and used to convict LL, to review the case notes and come to an independent conclusion.

These are the international A listers of neonatal care. Honestly, none of them have anything to gain or lose by doing this, they are concerned about the truth though. As we all should be.

Too late? Are you for real? Do you really want to live in a society where miscarriages of justice can’t be put right?

I think she's guilty. B ut what's the likely outcome if it is looked at again. A retrial or will she just be freed. Can't say I am in favour of either of those two options.

I feel the same as you.

This should horrify anyone. Just the idea that you or your loved ones could be unjustly accused of such a heinous crime. I really hope they reopen this case because what the expert witnesses are saying is very compelling and merits another look.

For what it's worth I have always felt that this was a miscarriage of justice in the waiting. I'm from the Netherlands and there was a very similar case here, where there was no actual evidence of foul play and misinterpretation of science and diaries written by the suspect. Statistics were used there too, badly. Plus an expert witness that also didn't consider all the possibilities.

Indeed. Some of these posts are really quite disturbing.

@BIossomtoes you're against it because it's too late? You've jumped the shark there I think. It's not too late to stop Letby spending the rest of her life behind bars for something she didn't do and not to late to identify what really went wrong to prevent it happening again to future infants.

I'm beginning to think that some people are just so dogmatic that they will respond to anything that challenges their viewpoint with aggressive nonsense.

^Letby was also found guilty of murdering a baby referred to in court as Baby C.
Key to the case was an X-ray taken on 12 June - it was referred to repeatedly during the first trial. In pre-trial reports two prosecution witnesses said it showed the baby had a swollen stomach “most likely due to deliberate” pumping of air into his feeding tube.
However, neonatologist Dr Michael Hall - who has spoken publicly about his concerns before, and has written to the chair of the public inquiry - told the BBC: “There are a number of possible explanations for there being excess gas there.”
Dr Hall, who was consulted by the defence but never called to give evidence, said it is likely to have been caused by the respiratory support the baby was receiving and said the X-ray suggested there was a bowel obstruction.
Letby was not working on the day the X-ray was taken and had not been on shift since before the baby was born - information the jury heard in her first trial. Letby’s former barrister Ben Myers also highlighted these details in his closing argument.^

This is the part I cannot comprehend - if LL wasn't on shift from prior to this baby having anergy to show the damage done by LL - how did she do this? There are cards to swipe to get in handout of the wards, her swipe wasn't used.

Did the defence think this would be taken into account?

So even if it is found that the babies weren't murdered and that this has been an almighty miscarriage of justice, you would rather an innocent woman sit in jail for the rest of her life?

You could at least acknowledge that. You could say IF the babies weren't murdered then yes, she should be released while also saying you think she's guilty.

They did but the judge didn't reference it during closing remarks. For this reason alone I never thought she was guilty.

But I think she’s guilty. 🤷‍♀️

Absolutely terrifying how many people do not want to look at what actually happened.

I’d like to understand how the poor baby that died on day 4 from injuries x-rayed on day 3 had their murder attributed to LL when she went on shift on day 4 and had no contact with the baby prior to this. There isn’t even circumstantial evidence for that yet she was found guilty. What defence can anyone put up for something that happened when they weren’t there?

I think she harmed the babies which led to their deaths, She was caught in the act more than once from what I heard from the trial. Doctors were suspicious and raised the alarm and they were ignored. They worked with her and became convinced something was amiss.

Yes I’d like to know this. @Blossomtoes how do you think she did it?

Regarding the well its too late argument. Apart from the fact that if these deaths weren't murders then Lucy shouldn't be in jail what about the way that this hospital is about to be allowed to take sicker babies again?

Having listened to the press conference there were a lots of dreadful medical mistakes like not prescribing antibiotics correctly, ignoring test results and using the wrong sized breathing tubes.

If the doctors have never acknowledged these mistakes or had any additional training and have instead (subconsciously or perhaps even deliberately) scapegoated a nurse then how do we know they aren't about to kill some more children if they aren't stopped?

She was caught in the act more than once from what I heard from the trial

who are the witnesses that caught her in the act of killing babies?

So you still can't say, having said that, if there is proof they weren't murdered then obviously I hope she will be released.

BTW, if she was caught in the act then why wasn't that provided as direct evidence? Why didn't whoever caught her yell out, "Stop! You're killing a baby!"?

If, as it appears from the remarkably thorough analysis of the medical evidence by 14 highly reputable internationalexoerts working pro bono with no axe to grind but correct use of science, that no murders occurred, and therefore Lucy Letby can't be guilty of murder, exactly what do the "she's definitely guilty, I can see from her picture" mob actually think she's guilty of?

Oddness is not a crime. Nor is being white, middle class, flirting with a doctor (allegedly), fighting against accusations of murder, confusing pyjamas with leisure suits, being socially awkward, writing therapeutically advised notes, or being lax with GDPR. Well, that last one might be, but it's not a crime against person like murder.

And once again, crickets when anyone asks what would you do in her position?

These threads just go to show that there will always be people who believe in her guilt, no matter what comes to light. That's why she'd have to go into hiding if she was released.

You can argue that she had nothing to lose by allowing these experts to look at her case, or that she's "enjoying the attention". But I don't know. Before this she still had her parents, and possibly some friends, who believed her, who were visiting her in prison etc. In the early days of the case I remember a friend of hers saying she would never believe it, unless LL actually confessed. Lots of people had doubts about the conviction before this press conference. If I knew I was guilty and still had some people believe me, stand by me etc. Would I want to risk losing that? I struggle to believe she'd be so arrogant as to think that 14 world experts could be "fooled". (although I'm sure some on this thread will disagree with me!) And they were very clear that their results would be published even if it wasn't favourable to LL. She might not have had much to lose but in her situation, having some people believe you and support (whether she's guilty or not) is really all you have left.

I wanted her to be guilty, because the alternative is more horrific. I'm not some LL cheerleader. I was very much on the fence, and even still am to a degree. But I am increasingly uncomfortable with her conviction. On the one hand we have one self serving man who did want money and fame, and got it. On the other side we have 14 experts who did the work for free and weren't seeking anything from it. It's a bit of a no brainer as to who has the most credibility.

But she wasn’t EVER caught in the act, not once!

The nearest thing to anyone claiming to have caught her doing anything is Dr Jayaram saying he caught her by a cot not doing anything when he thought she should have been doing something- but many nurses have said it is normal to stand for a moment to assess the situation and see if it self corrects.
There is also a question mark over his testimony because he didn’t mention it at the time and only came up with it years later.